guns

[encephalon]

I'm wondering how many of you lovely little capitalists out there are avid fans of guns.. or rather use guns in a sport-like fashion, such as rifle competitions (right is right). Is this something that you all share to a point?

[seraphim]

I love guns i've been firing rifles since i was 12 my family used to have hand guns but they're illegal in the UK now. :(

[BenHogan]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 10:23 AM
I'm wondering how many of you lovely little capitalists out there are avid fans of guns.. or rather use guns in a sport-like fashion, such as rifle competitions (right is right). Is this something that you all share to a point?
Well, some of us dont completely trust the government with our lives, and dont trust the government to protect all 300 million of us. We keep guns for self defense inside of our own homes, primarily. As for sporting, that's just another hobby. You can't kill a deer with a hammer from 150 yards away, right? So, we keep guns for our own protection. I would LOVE to debate this topic with you.

[dso79]

Though the gun lobby is usually associated with right-wingers, I don’t see why lefties shouldn’t like guns; I love guns and target shooting, but I'm not a capitalist.

[Anarchist Freedom]

Generally pansy ass neo-liberals hate guns. But I love them there are dangers sure but where not going to win a revolution with rocks people. Also if you have shot a gun what guns have you shot?


ive shot

AK-47
AR-15
Glock
Magnum
12 gauge
M1 garand

[ernie]

Generally pansy ass neo-liberals hate guns.
Actually, it takes more courage to recieve a shot than to fire one.

But I love them there are dangers sure but where not going to win a revolution with rocks people.
I think Gandhi showed the opposite...
Being a left-winger is all about respecting life. That is the reason real left-wingers are against guns.

[amusing foibles]

I think Gandhi showed the opposite...


What the hell "revolution" did Gandhi win?
At best, he proved that you can call attention to an issue by peaceful means.

That said, I'm not sure where I stand with gun control.

[Socialist_Smurf]

AK-47
AR-15
Glock
Magnum
12 gauge
M1 garand

Wow..my envy for you is unsurpassed. But may I ask what you do for a living or how exactly you got to be able to fire such weapons? I know that in the ass-tastic US firing an AK-47 is something only done in elite street gangs.

[Inti]

I dont own any gun but I have fired some perhaps lesser known for people outside Sweden:)

Here it goes

AK4 (G3 assault rifle)
AK5 (think its real name is FNC and is from belgium, not sure however)
KSP 58 (FN MAG)
KSP 90 (US M-249)

RBS 70
http://www.halmstad.mil.se/images/local/rb70ee3.jpg

And some antitank rifle I cant seem to remember right now

[ahhh_money_is_comfort]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 10:23 AM
I'm wondering how many of you lovely little capitalists out there are avid fans of guns.. or rather use guns in a sport-like fashion, such as rifle competitions (right is right). Is this something that you all share to a point?
This capitalist can put 8 out of 10 shots into a 10 inch disk at 600 yards with iron sights. I use both the M-14 and the M-16 for matches. I cary a .45 automatic for personal defense around town. I prefer a 12-guage Mossberg 590 for home defense loaded with alternate rounds of 00-buck and rifled slugs. It is a hobby just for kicks. It is also a good excuse to take the 4X4 off roading.

[ernie]

What the hell "revolution" did Gandhi win?
There are two possibilities for you saying something like this. One, you don't know what Gandhi accomplished. Two, you do know what he did, but you don't consider it to be a revolution. I don't know which one is worst...

[Paradox]

I sure as hell ain't a cappie, but I must say, shooting is quite fun. I own a Yugo M59/66 SKS. My father owns a M48 Mauser (also from Yugoslavia) and an East German 9mm Makarov pistol. I've shot all of these, as well as my dad's friend's .308 rifle, which model or maker it is, I don't remember. Haven't been out shooting in awhile though, probably not for 3 or 4 weeks. I need to get back out there. I shoot in the desert cuz it's nearby and it's free. :D

[ubercube]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 09:11 PM
Being a left-winger is all about respecting life. That is the reason real left-wingers are against guns.
You are all about respecting life, yet you are against giving people the ability to defend their own? Here's a hint: criminals intent on using guns for murder aren't going to give them up. The law-abiding, life-respecting citizens that do will be the ones victimized. Yeah, banning citizen gun ownership, great way to stick it to the exploiting class... :blink:

[Alex Jones]

Guns are facist. So I believe they should be taken out of the hands of everyone. Fuck this "personal defense" shit. People should be like Stalin and learn communist martial arts.

[ubercube]

I find it ironic that this thread was started to insult us "redneck righties" as being gun nuts, and more leftists responded about how they enjoy gun freedom than right wingers.

[Outlaw289]

Guns are facist. So I believe they should be taken out of the hands of everyone. Fuck this "personal defense" shit. People should be like Stalin and learn communist martial arts.

Why are guns fascist? Guns are only fascist when the government or gangs (really no difference, the government is essentially a gang we just choose to trust) use them to supress people's rights, as you commies are so fond of doing.


Also, the personal defense comment is not shit. Areas with higher civillian gun ownership have less crime? Why, you ask? because criminals are a HELL OF A LOT LESS LIKELY to try a crime when hot lead can come flying their way. Also, if you illegalize all guns, criminals will have them through illegal trade and manufacture. Thus, you'd be depriving citizens of their freedom to self defense and thus giving criminals leverage over the law abiding.

Hope this changes your perspective

[NovelGentry]

Why are guns fascist? Guns are only fascist when the government or gangs (really no difference, the government is essentially a gang we just choose to trust) use them to supress people's rights, as you commies are so fond of doing.

For your information most commies believe that workers militia should be a primary defense of a socialist nation. Indeed this would imply we think people should have access to guns. Grasp it yet? Good.

[encephalon]

No, I wasn't implying that guns were bad.. in fact I think it's pretty much a pre-requisite to hate gun laws if you're a communist.. it leaves one even more defenseless against tyranny than one would be in the first place. I don't like violence, but I also don't think it would be wise to let the status quo be the only ones able to acquire weapons. Being against weapons-banning is probably the only thing right-wingers and communists share in common politically.

I was simply curious. I know a lot of right-wingers tend to be avid hunters or like to target shoot in general.

[Anarchist Freedom]

Guns are facist. So I believe they should be taken out of the hands of everyone. Fuck this "personal defense" shit. People should be like Stalin and learn communist martial arts



FUcking hilarious :lol:. Still hate stalin baby!






I shot all those guns in one day at a range with my friend james his relative was a marine and was going to IRAQ etc etc. Well he had to use all the bullets he said soo he did with all those guns. My friends dad had a gun for shooting elephants and buffalo(fucking ridiculous and pointless)

[RedFlagOverTrenton]

Just a note for the left folks on this thread...

Is it just me, or does talking about the number and types of firearms you own on a public forum especially when you're a self-declared enemy of the system seem like a really, really bad idea? Especially if you live in the United States.

[NovelGentry]

It is a bad idea, but I'm ont sure anyone who's communist here has said what they owned, only what they've shot. I've shot a slingshot Mr. FBI, that is all... I swear... no that's not an ammo box over there... no those aren't bullets....

[Zingu]

I've used several bolt action rifles, that is about it, a Mosin-Nagat carbine model 1943 being the most notable.

[encephalon]

actually, I don't own a gun, as unfortunate as it is.

Or perhaps I do.

[encephalon]

I carry WMD's under my tongue.

[dso79]

Is it just me, or does talking about the number and types of firearms you own on a public forum especially when you're a self-declared enemy of the system seem like a really, really bad idea? Especially if you live in the United States.

My guns are perfectly legal and as far as I know opposing the system isn’t illegal either. As long as you don’t break any laws, you should be ok.


Being a left-winger is all about respecting life. That is the reason real left-wingers are against guns.

Guns aren’t just for killing, they are used for sports as well.


Also if you have shot a gun what guns have you shot?

I’ve shot loads of different guns, including AR-15, Galil, FAL, Mini-14, M1 Carbine, Beretta 92 FS, a 12 gauge shotgun, a .300 Win. Mag. hunting rifle and a whole lot of other guns in various calibers.

[the RIGHT=FREEDOM]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 10:23 AM
I'm wondering how many of you lovely little capitalists out there are avid fans of guns.. or rather use guns in a sport-like fashion, such as rifle competitions (right is right). Is this something that you all share to a point?
An armed society is a polite society.

What are you suppossed to do if you thug attacks and tries to rob you?

What if a criminal is armed with a gun and breaks into your house, without a gun, what are you suppossed to do?

Which do you think a bugular would rather break into? A house whose familiy are bleeding heart liberal pacifists who refuse to own a gun, or the conservative family's house where the husband and wife both own guns.

[Anarchist Freedom]

I own no guns I own an airsoft pistol and a paintball gun look out he is going to give someone a welt !!!

[Alex Jones]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2005, 03:11 AM

Guns are facist. So I believe they should be taken out of the hands of everyone. Fuck this "personal defense" shit. People should be like Stalin and learn communist martial arts.

Why are guns fascist? Guns are only fascist when the government or gangs (really no difference, the government is essentially a gang we just choose to trust) use them to supress people's rights, as you commies are so fond of doing.


Also, the personal defense comment is not shit. Areas with higher civillian gun ownership have less crime? Why, you ask? because criminals are a HELL OF A LOT LESS LIKELY to try a crime when hot lead can come flying their way. Also, if you illegalize all guns, criminals will have them through illegal trade and manufacture. Thus, you'd be depriving citizens of their freedom to self defense and thus giving criminals leverage over the law abiding.

Hope this changes your perspective
I think it was quite obvious I was being sarcastic.

[ernie]

You are all about respecting life, yet you are against giving people the ability to defend their own? Here's a hint: criminals intent on using guns for murder aren't going to give them up. The law-abiding, life-respecting citizens that do will be the ones victimized. Yeah, banning citizen gun ownership, great way to stick it to the exploiting class...
Don't you understand that taking a life is wrong? Weather it be a criminal or a "law-abiding" victim. I know that there are times when killing is the only option (I do believe they are rare though), however, when you own a gun, you are not defending your life, you are defending your possessions. Most thiefs, for example, don't go in your house with intent to kill someone, the want to rob them. That is why they almost always break in when there is no one there. I don't know about you but I am not willing to kill someone to prevent them from taking my TV or my car or my computer.
In addition to all this, guns can produce accidents. Have you never heard of a child dying because of his parents' gun? It happens all the time...

Areas with higher civillian gun ownership have less crime
Show me how you know this.

in fact I think it's pretty much a pre-requisite to hate gun laws if you're a communist.
Says who? I disagree with gun ownership and I am a communist. Do you think I am less of a communist than you?

Guns aren’t just for killing, they are used for sports as well.
There are non-deadly weapons you can use for sports. Why must you sport with an AK-47?

What if a criminal is armed with a gun and breaks into your house, without a gun, what are you suppossed to do?
Ideally, the police should come. If they don't, then let him take what he wants...I know it sounds stupid, but I really believe this to the best thing to do.

Which do you think a bugular would rather break into? A house whose familiy are bleeding heart liberal pacifists who refuse to own a gun, or the conservative family's house where the husband and wife both own guns.
It makes no difference 'cause 99% of all burglars wouldn't break in when there is someone home (unless you have so much faith in guns that you think they will shoot the burglar themselves).

[NovelGentry]

Says who? I disagree with gun ownership and I am a communist. Do you think I am less of a communist than you?

Banning gun ownership is a control mechanism. You ban gun ownership there is no way to protect rights. I don't give a shit if that is the illusion of private property or your right not to be killed. The fact is, the government has guns, we don't.

Does this make you less of a communist? No. But I'm not sure how you plan to get there without guns. More to the point, without killing.


There are non-deadly weapons you can use for sports. Why must you sport with an AK-47?

Because it's an AK-47 competition? First off, guns do have right and wrong places. I've heard anti-gun liberals say crap like "You can't hunt a deer with an AK-47." Well you can actually, the AK-47 is an accurate weapon up to a decent range, in fact, if I'm not mistaken there is a version of it that is modified to be a mid range sniper rifle.

Actually, you can hunt a deer with pretty much any projectile weapon. Some will be more useful than others, obviously.

But then there is also the "target practice" and match shooting. I'm not going to agree with anyone that these are "bourgeois sports," because they're no different from any other sports except it replaces a ball with a gun. You're still projecting something and trying to get it into something.

Target practice, however, is by far the most useful out of all of these. Why? Because he who shoots the best is going to do a great deal when it comes necessary to start shooting.

If you disagree there's ever a need to start shooting, you can tell us your brilliant idea for reform.

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2005, 12:25 AM
Just a note for the left folks on this thread...

Is it just me, or does talking about the number and types of firearms you own on a public forum especially when you're a self-declared enemy of the system seem like a really, really bad idea? Especially if you live in the United States.
No shit; I don't have any firearms but if I did, I wouldn't brag about it.
There are much better reasons to be taken to court and RL doesn't need to take flack for this...

I advise the leftists on this thread to be careful and maybe withdraw any incriminating claims for you personaly or RL.

[encephalon]

Don't you understand that taking a life is wrong? Weather it be a criminal or a "law-abiding" victim. I know that there are times when killing is the only option (I do believe they are rare though), however, when you own a gun, you are not defending your life, you are defending your possessions. Most thiefs, for example, don't go in your house with intent to kill someone, the want to rob them. That is why they almost always break in when there is no one there. I don't know about you but I am not willing to kill someone to prevent them from taking my TV or my car or my computer.
In addition to all this, guns can produce accidents. Have you never heard of a child dying because of his parents' gun? It happens all the time...

Tell me, comrade, how exactly would you expect to win a war when you let your enemy confiscate all of your weapons? As NovelGentry said (in slightly different words), it is not a matter of safety from other people, but safety from slavery. Half of the world was enslaved by western civilization because the west had guns and they didn't. Or maybe during the American Revolution, america and British could have simply talked it out. Not likely.


Areas with higher civillian gun ownership have less crime
Show me how you know this.


This is actually false, and blatant propaganda. GUNS != CIVILIZED, nor less crime.


Says who? I disagree with gun ownership and I am a communist. Do you think I am less of a communist than you?

If you believe in handing every weapon over to that which communists by nature stand against, then yes, I do believe you are less a communist than I. You should probably look into democratic socialism instead of communism.


There are non-deadly weapons you can use for sports. Why must you sport with an AK-47?
I don't give a damn about sporting.. it's all rather bland to me, I'd rather read. If you think you're going to win a fight against someone with an AK-47 when you have a slingshot, however, you may want to come up with a better strategy.


Ideally, the police should come. If they don't, then let him take what he wants...I know it sounds stupid, but I really believe this to the best thing to do.
Yikes. Here I thought communists largely disliked police: they are the enforcers of the status quo. Are you sure you're a communist?!?!?!?


It makes no difference 'cause 99% of all burglars wouldn't break in when there is someone home (unless you have so much faith in guns that you think they will shoot the burglar themselves).

I don't give a damn about burglars. I've little a burglar would really want to take anyhow (although my shitty car has been broken into.. broke the window even though the doors were unlocked.. they stole the my pennies on the dashboard, dammit). I don't want people owning guns to kill someone who in all likelihood knows nothing but criminal behavior. I want people to own guns as protection against those who already have more weapons than I could ever dream of owning.

Being a communist and believing the government should have the power to ban your right to hold weaponry is entirely contradictory.


I advise the leftists on this thread to be careful and maybe withdraw any incriminating claims for you personaly or RL.


You know those WMD's under my tongue? They turned out to be mints.

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2005, 11:48 PM
You know those WMD's under my tongue? They turned out to be mints.
Must be powerful mints!

I was mostly concerned about what people might say. I haven't really seen anything but this thread seems to have a rather inviting feel... I just hope people keep their "wits about them."

[encephalon]

If you live in America, and you're a communist, you won't be an animate communist for long without your wits about you.


Must be powerful mints!

They are the people's mints!

[POFO_Communist]

Also, the personal defense comment is not shit. Areas with higher civillian gun ownership have less crime? Why, you ask? because criminals are a HELL OF A LOT LESS LIKELY to try a crime when hot lead can come flying their way. Also, if you illegalize all guns, criminals will have them through illegal trade and manufacture. Thus, you'd be depriving citizens of their freedom to self defense and thus giving criminals leverage over the law abiding.

I would support your argument if I lived in a country like the US or someplace equally crime ridden, where gun related crimes are higher than anywhere else.

Of course, the primary reason for this is because there are so many guns in circulation. Sure, the local crime syndicate or mafia can obtain guns illegaly if they are banned, but what makes you think they will come into your house and blast a cap in your ass?

A 'petty' purse-snaching criminal will find it VERY hard to obtain a weapon illegaly in a country that has banned all forms of firearm.

[ahhh_money_is_comfort]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2005, 11:53 AM

Also, the personal defense comment is not shit. Areas with higher civillian gun ownership have less crime? Why, you ask? because criminals are a HELL OF A LOT LESS LIKELY to try a crime when hot lead can come flying their way. Also, if you illegalize all guns, criminals will have them through illegal trade and manufacture. Thus, you'd be depriving citizens of their freedom to self defense and thus giving criminals leverage over the law abiding.

I would support your argument if I lived in a country like the US or someplace equally crime ridden, where gun related crimes are higher than anywhere else.

Of course, the primary reason for this is because there are so many guns in circulation. Sure, the local crime syndicate or mafia can obtain guns illegaly if they are banned, but what makes you think they will come into your house and blast a cap in your ass?

A 'petty' purse-snaching criminal will find it VERY hard to obtain a weapon illegaly in a country that has banned all forms of firearm.
"Petty criminals" can not find guns?

Ok.

What if they do this:

http://www.madinpursuit.com/Pakistan/paki_13b.htm

These people make guns with technology no more advanced that making a horse shoe.

Can a 'petty person' do the same thing? These people seem to do it with out power tools, electricity, running water, and no education.

[Martyr_Machine]

Areas with higher civillian gun ownership have less crime

Show me how you know this.

Switzerland is a perfect example.

[Publius]

Areas with higher civillian gun ownership have less crime

Show me how you know this.

Switzerland is a perfect example.

Mandatory gun ownership.

Let me put it this way: If you know everyone is carrying a gun and is trained to use it, you don't rob them. Or at least not twice.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Guns are fantastic.
I don't see why it's necessary to protect "peace" in capitalism, as if it existed to begin with. To condemn the violent possibilities of private weapon ownership is to neglect the inherent violence of the system.

As far as hunting, I think guns are just cheating. Let's make it so the animals and hunters have equal chances of survival. This would mean that we could only hunt predatory animals. We'd have to calculate how many animals of a particular species would equal the relative killing power of a human. So for example, two guys with their bare hands versus a wolf. Then the outcome would rest solely on the skill of both the hunter and the animal. :lol:

[seraphim]

Weapons I've fired

SA80 (U.K forces assault rifle)
H&K MP5
Browning high power 9mm
Sig Sauer P228
Glock 17

[bushdog]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2005, 05:25 AM


Is it just me, or does talking about the number and types of firearms you own on a public forum especially when you're a self-declared enemy of the system seem like a really, really bad idea? Especially if you live in the United States.
Damn right, do you not for a second think this web site and every other "radical" leftist site is not being watched, i expect this site to be put on a terrorist watch list any second. but as a side note i do love to blow the shit out of things with my arsenal (all legal of course mr. gonzalez!!!)