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Pepe Cy
21st July 2002, 17:36
In 1974 after the fall of the Greek dictatorship, known as “Junta”, most of the people who were helping the dictators and committed many crimes, had left unpunished.

Some people then decided to start what was to be known later on as the biggest and more active terror organization in Greece, with the name 17 November. They get that name from the historical day that the Greek army under the control of junta, invade on the occupied by the students Polytechnic University with the support of tanks and other armed vehicles. Many students had died. All of them were unarmed. The reason? They were asking for “food, education and freedom”.

One year later we have the declaration of the 17 November who occasionally worked with other terrorism organization such as with ELAS (Greek Popular Liberty Army). But their was no other terrorism organization to be so active and dangerous like 17N. It was consider being the second more dangerous European organization for the last 15 years, after the Spanish ETA.

Among their target was:
The American commander of the Balkan region
Two Turkish diplomats
Greek officials (ministers, member of the parliament and public prosecutors)
Major Business person
Policemen’s
The British coordinator during the war in Yugoslavia
American soldiers

They had also bomb many major multinational companies (such as McDonalds and GM), took weapons from military camps and police stations, and robbed multinational banks for their expenses (such as renting houses where the weapons were hidden).

For 27 years 17 N remains a ghost organization. Their identity was that of a left wing group fighting for social justice. They once gave a photo to the press. On the middle was their red flag, with a large gold star and the initials 17N on the middle. Surrounding the flag, were photos of Carl Marx, Che Guevara and the leader of the Greek resistance during the German occupation, and later on the leader of the left forces on the Greek civil was, Aris Velouchiotis. At the bottom of the photo, their were some of the weapons and a large number of rockets that had been stilled from a military camp.

After the death of the British Steven Chanter in the year 2000, the British and the Americans accused Greece for supporting terrorism. Their was even a matter of not allowing the Olympic Games to be performed in a country with such an active terrorism group.

The Greek government was in a very bad situation. Only two things could have save PASOK, the Socialist party that control the government.

The first was a big strike against terrorism that would have gave a vote of confidence from the world community.

The second was the entrance of Cyprus in the European Union, in such a way that would have positive effect on the Cyprus problem.

Although miracles does not happened everyday, it did happen one in Greece. One night a bomb explore on the hands of a 40 year old man known as Xiros. The terrorist was still alive. In less that a week that man with strong religious backgrounds, drawer of holy icons in occupation and a never suspected citizen was found to be one of the leading executive killers of 17N. And in the same week, two flats full of explosives, weapons and other material was found on the hurt of Athens.

Now in less than a month 5 people had been arrested and others are under investigation. Among them the two brothers of the unlucky bomber, a 22 year old singer of a very promises rock band, and a university professor who is believed to be the ideological leader and one of the foundation members. The actions of the two out of the three generations had been discovered.

All that could not had been done without the help of CIA and Scotland Yard. USA and UK, congratulate Greece for their success. So does the people and the Greek political parties. The Greek communist party says that they don’t support terrorism and that 17N had nothing to do with the pure communist ideology in a democracy like that of Greece. They even believe that is very weird to have found so much in so little time. They are even afraid that the involvement of USA and UK would leads to false results, so that they can be politically benefit.

17N had never killed an innocent man, expect a student due to an accident. They started as despaired people who wanted to take the control on their hands. For 27 years were an active ghost group that their actions had harmed the image of Greece. But to a world that justice is only on words and not in action, in a world that Pax- Americana is responsible for so many evil things, what is our attitude toward those terrorist groups?

I gave you the facts. Tell me your opinion. Are we against them or with them?

Genwes
21st July 2002, 17:39
"are we against them, or with them,"

Make up your own mind.

Xvall
21st July 2002, 17:53
Hmm.. I dunno.. I know some commies who supported them. I thought they were alright. But that was just me.

Conghaileach
22nd July 2002, 12:33
The last time I read about them, the article said that none of them had ever been captured, and there were large ransoms on many of their heads.

komsomol
22nd July 2002, 13:55
Just to let you know that they are called November17 and the flag I saw had N17 on it. Here any of you heard a song called N17?

Harris Dousemetzis
2nd November 2002, 03:38
Hello there and congratulations for your site.
First of all the 17N is not a terrorist gropup. Terrorism is when you terrorising the masses and the 17N have never done something like that. The greek people never felt threatened from the 17N. The only people who feared the 17N were some ''big people'' who because of the anomalies of the laws, their financial status and their influence among the politicians were able to walk away free and unpunished. The common greek citizen never felt that his life is threatened from the 17N. I am sure that the ones who were feared mostly from the 17N were the REAL AND BIGGEST TERRORISTS OF THIS PLANET-THE AMERICANS.Not the simple american people but the american imperialism and the ones who representing it and support it. If I ever had the chance I would have joined them. I am about to start a PhD about the 17N, the RAF, THE Red Brigades and other revolutionary organisations.The americans and their allies are the real terrorists, not the 17N.
Viva the 17N. My congratulations to Yiotopoulos, Koufodinas, Tzortzatos and the rest of the group.
ZITO I 17N

Non-Sectarian Bastard!
4th November 2002, 18:04
First of all i dont believe in the term"terrorist".
cause a terrorist ,a hero ,a freedom fighter and a soldier does the same work. Killing ppl fore their cause but primly the soldier most times isnt dedicated for their cause and often happens that they dont even know what they are doing there. Regularly they only get one side of the story or a complete lie.

Besides these 3groups of ppl kill and destroy buildings for their cause. There are no different between them. It purely depends if they are on the side of the strongest nation of that time. Now enemies of america are terrorists. In 1700 americans were terrorists. Im not sure about the date but its just a example that when the brittans where the strongest nation their enemies were "terrorists".

But i dont know much about 17N but the brittish secret service in order of Churchil who was made that german "warcriminals" got away cause of their low ranks. He send agents to kill them in silence in the times of germany after W2 when there was great panic and ppl were killing for food. So no one really noticed. This is not the first time in history that this happens but the funny thing is that the brittans do not regret this axn of churchil but they do charge 17N of terrorism.

But until know with the info i know about them they dont sound bad. Just excuting the cause of they pain. If u can get the deathpenalty for a killing why not the for killing of a nation??

Kez
4th November 2002, 20:37
these people are ****s.
They have no revolutionary agenda, they are the people who are the excuse for the govt to clamp down on other socialist movements claiming tyhey are terrorists. they justify bugging phones becuase of groups like N17.
They just put a strangle hold on us.
What we need is a mass revolutionary struggle, not a fuckin sect of whacko ultra left tosspots who shoot with rage rather than agenda

bollocks to them i say
it is ****s like these that berlesconi can justify in his country to clamp down on union activity

redstar2000
5th November 2002, 07:15
Maybe it would be more accurate to think of N17 as the LAST of the revolutionary soldiers of the Greek civil war. In other words, in their heads it was still 1946 and to violently hit the enemy was to strike a blow for the revolution that never happened.

(30 years after the Japanese Imperial Government surrendered, it was still possible to find an occasional Japanese soldier in the south Pacific for whom the war had never ended. Not exactly the same, but...)

Personally, I salute the courage and dedication of N17...without have any desire to imitate them. They are living fossils of a past age; a new age of revolutionary struggle clearly requires the participation of and leadership by the working class.

(On the other hand, if large numbers of Greek workers take up the cause of N17 and make it their own...!)

Conghaileach
5th November 2002, 16:55
I personally think that the N17 are an amazing force to be studied. Any group that spends three years planning one mission should be considered as a group who do not want to hurt civilians (unlike many groups) and will go to any lengths to hit their intended target and no-one else.

Argentino
7th March 2003, 18:13
Hello
i support 17 N but i find them not so well trained for the mission they asumed....
The truth is that with my military training (including guerrilla war ,explosives and collection of information ) i can have better results than they.They stole bazooca rokets instead of stealing the most suitable for the job LAW ,that where in tha same wharehouse .I still think that good intelligence,good public relationships and military training is the best way to deteriorate the capitalism .If there is other greeks that want to find more information about me...let me know

Alexius Comnenus
8th March 2003, 01:57
I hope you are not getting in trouble Argentino as well as this poor guy from Greece.We all know that these kind of sites are being invigilated by "Big Brother" that has bases as well in Britain where I live.

I am mixed about 17N and some of their actions.And as some have said previously killing a bunch of people is not effective since you don't get a popular attention and because the whole system is not changing at all.

Today's democracy doesn't live up to our expectations.If there are reformations that can decrease the gap between rich and poor and socialise the economy profile so be it.But if not drastic measures can be taken.

17N was indeed a very close group that did not allow public participation and made 3 ot 4 mistakes that turned the public opinion against it.The first and most serious was the death of the student after attacking Paleokrassas and the second was killing Bakogiannis.

But their final mistake was brigadier Sanders that allowed Scotland Yard to get involved in the investigation.

As for Dousemetzis I beleive the Northumbria Police and the antiterrorist group of Scotland Yard made a great mistake.In general Britain has introduced fascist laws that can abolish Habeas Corpus and many other legal ethics and values.
He supported 17N.In UK there is democracy and everybody can say his opinion.He had books about.Very well ,I have books let's say for Bin Laden.It doesn't mean I will become a terrorist.He had flags and pins with 17N symbols.That's fine since these things go free on the trade.

Anyway I hope this kid is freed because British in their fear of punishment for being USA puppets are in a hysteria,including Scotland Yard(or they have found a good timing to restrict even more freedom of speech on the Internet ordered by Mr.Bush)

Xvall
8th March 2003, 02:10
The American commander of the Balkan region
Two Turkish diplomats
Greek officials (ministers, member of the parliament and public prosecutors)
Major Business person
Policemen’s
The British coordinator during the war in Yugoslavia
American soldiers

Wait, Wait.
You want me to feel sorry for some imperialist yanks, a genocidal britishman, and a corporate executive?
Fuck them.

Xvall
8th March 2003, 02:11
Maybe I didn't make myself clear enough.
They got what they deserved.

FUCK THEM.

Kapitan Andrey
8th March 2003, 06:55
Hmm...This is really intereting!!! Now I can tell that I support them too!!!

Alexius Comnenus
8th March 2003, 12:33
Wll a student was killed as well when the rocket took a wrong route.Also they killed a member of parliamnet that despite being right-winged he was an active member of resistance against the Greek junta.He was negative against Greek Communist Party and its mistakes during the civil war,as I am as well.

He never killed or tortured or depressed any.He was beloved where he was voted in a remote area of Greece.But his opinions killed him.I am leftist but not a killer.What 17N was doing was more a personal revenge war rather than a clear signal to the people for reformations to be carried out and for a broader participation against capitalism flaws.

Argentino
8th March 2003, 14:14
Anyway ...i sympathize any guy that is fighting for freedom and dignity.The truh is that i'm lucky....secret services and police here in greece are not efective.To catch 17N they needed the help of British Secret Services(i don't think that Scotland Yard can make operation outside the UK) ,i think that MI-5 is involved.I read many books about intelligence..and i think that they helped greek police .I don't think they can catch me because i'm talking about it .If you wanna put a car bomb outside the israel,USA or UK embassy is easy here where the police is so bad trained .The bad is that u will kill many guys that just are passing...but don't forget that for the imperialist...killing inocents are just colateral damage .Is just one cost u have to pay .I don't adore Macciavelli...but sometimes u have to use methods that ur enemy is using
Best regards
Argentino (i'm living in greece..but i was born in Che's country )
see u

Non-Sectarian Bastard!
8th March 2003, 15:00
Cool

I think that Mi-6 helped.

MI-5 is for internal cases and MI-6 for foreign cases. However I dont know much about them.

Argentino
8th March 2003, 17:24
Anyway
here is easy to blow up an embassy...the problem is if Greek police is leaded by a secret service to the authors of an attack
if 17N killed an israelian...they would be found dead....Mossad kills ......at least the British just lead them to a trial.....If you wanna know more on intelligence world...u can see theese cool sites
www.rense.com
http://mprofaca.cro.net/
Best Regards

Argentino
9th March 2003, 10:08
Anyway
i like to play with big brother...they can arrest my body...but my soul will be forever free