If communism respects the individual

[The Machine]

If communism respects the individual and society. Does it respect society's decision to not choose communism?

[progressive thinker]

Originally posted by The [email protected] 4 2005, 01:04 AM
If communism respects the individual and society. Does it respect society's decision to not choose communism?
No communism respects no society other than its own. It alone is superior to all others. That is why a communistic society has to exist all over the world before humanity will accept the great benefits by applying an equal sign to every human being.

[robob8706]

Communism is a true democracy, so if the public chooses to stray away from communism then that is they're choice. A democracy is meant to obey the will of the people, so if they choose not to have communism, then the democratic institution must carry out they're wishes.

[STI]

Originally posted by The [email protected] 4 2005, 01:04 AM
If communism respects the individual and society. Does it respect society's decision to not choose communism?
The working class has to want communism. Otherwise, how could it come about?

[NovelGentry]

No communism respects no society other than its own. It alone is superior to all others. That is why a communistic society has to exist all over the world before humanity will accept the great benefits by applying an equal sign to every human being.

I'm hoping all the capitalists realize this man is nothing more than a troll.

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by The Machine
Does it respect society's decision to not choose communism?

That's a dumb question...as if "societies" make "final decisions" and that's "the end of history".

So no, communists do not respect such a "decision"...nor does anyone else.

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[progressive thinker]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 01:28 AM

No communism respects no society other than its own. It alone is superior to all others. That is why a communistic society has to exist all over the world before humanity will accept the great benefits by applying an equal sign to every human being.

I'm hoping all the capitalists realize this man is nothing more than a troll.
Just like this forum respects the ability to refute any argument and doesn't quarantine opposing ideologies into one section...oops...

[NovelGentry]

Refuting an argument is one thing, blatantly calling them into existence on issues that have already been brought up, and for that matter with much better form, is another.

[Zingu]

Originally posted by The [email protected] 4 2005, 01:04 AM
If communism respects the individual and society. Does it respect society's decision to not choose communism?


The conditions must be right for a revolution; this was the big mistake Lenin and Mao made. There was no true revolutionary counsciness among the working class; neither country, China or Russia, had run their course through Capitalism, they didn't even begin it!

[StrikeSDX]

Originally posted by STI+Feb 4 2005, 01:26 AM--> (STI @ Feb 4 2005, 01:26 AM)
The [email protected] 4 2005, 01:04 AM
If communism respects the individual and society. Does it respect society's decision to not choose communism?
The working class has to want communism. Otherwise, how could it come about? [/b]
But what if a new problem arises... once people see communism in place, what if they don't like it? What if society changes their mind? Would communism respect that kind of choice?

[Zingu]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 03:13 AM

But what if a new problem arises... once people see communism in place, what if they don't like it? What if society changes their mind? Would communism respect that kind of choice?


Communism is the final stage of humans' social development.

By Marxist theory; we've seen that society's evolution has been fueled by class struggle; a seris of violent overthrowals and a new class being set up as the ruling class.

In Communism; there are no classes, meaning that the evolution of society will end there in respects that the final structure of the economy and society have been met.

Communism would be the final stage of humanity's development.


Even if they did want a new society; which is impossible, Communism is ultra democractic, so yeah....

[StrikeSDX]

Originally posted by Zingu+Feb 4 2005, 03:17 AM--> (Zingu @ Feb 4 2005, 03:17 AM)
[email protected] 4 2005, 03:13 AM

But what if a new problem arises... once people see communism in place, what if they don't like it? What if society changes their mind? Would communism respect that kind of choice?


Communism is the final stage of humans' social development.

By Marxist theory; we've seen that society's evolution has been fueled by class struggle; a seris of violent overthrowals and a new class being set up as the ruling class.

In Communism; there are no classes, meaning that the evolution of society will end there in respects that the final structure of the economy and society have been met.

Communism would be the final stage of humanity's development.


Even if they did want a new society; which is impossible, Communism is ultra democractic, so yeah.... [/b]
I'm not going to evaluate the lecture you posted sentence by sentence, actually it made me laugh pretty hard. I think you got my opinion of it from that.

But I do want to point out your last sentence. Okay, so if you beleive that no-one will ever want to try a new society, then what would the need be for a democracy? If everyone agreed with the way things were going there would be no need for changes once communism came into place right?

Communism couldn't be ultra-democratic or democratic at all in that sense if there is no chance of ever making changes... all on a very blind assumption...actually, call it VERY wishful thinking.

[Zingu]

But I do want to point out your last sentence. Okay, so if you beleive that no-one will ever want to try a new society, then what would the need be for a democracy? If everyone agreed with the way things were going there would be no need for changes once communism came into place right?

Class antagonisms seize to exist, making no need or feeling among anyone for social change.




I'm not going to evaluate the lecture you posted sentence by sentence, actually it made me laugh pretty hard. I think you got my opinion of it from that.

It makes alot more sense if you read some Marx and Engels instead of reading a 5 min. school textbook on 'What is Communism."

Marxism is a social and economic science, and a very pragmatic one at it too, using cold logic to demostrate is points.


Communism couldn't be ultra-democratic or democratic at all in that sense if there is no chance of ever making changes... all on a very blind assumption...actually, call it VERY wishful thinking.

Everyone will belong to the same class, class interests are the same. I was getting the impression by "changes" you meant by revolutionizing society into a new structure, which they don't want.

In a Communist structure, people will be able to debate on issues within the community, but its pretty ignorant to say that they "would want a new society", there would be no erge for one.

[StrikeSDX]

Class antagonisms seize to exist, making no need or feeling among anyone for social change


Everyone will belong to the same class, class interests are the same. I was getting the impression by "changes" you meant by revolutionizing society into a new structure, which they don't want.

In a Communist structure, people will be able to debate on issues within the community, but its pretty ignorant to say that they "would want a new society", there would be no erge for one.

To actually beleive that there wouldn't ever be an erge for change is even more ignorant than to beleieve in the idea that there would be people that could change their minds and want something else.

Remember, you can't make everyone happy.

[Zingu]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 04:10 AM


To actually beleive that there wouldn't ever be an erge for change is even more ignorant than to beleieve in the idea that there would be people that could change their minds and want something else.

Remember, you can't make everyone happy.
You can't see how ignorant you sound since you have no idea what Marxist theory is about, judging from your last posts.


I'm am discoraged to argue with a person with such a lack of knowledge, but if you think you know more than Herr Marx, who spent a lifetime pondering the subject....in your view, what does make people want to change society then, hmmm?


If you have any sense, you'll come out with the same conclusion of Karl Marx in the end.

[synthesis]

I never thought I'd miss Professor Moneybags.

[Zingu]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 04:58 AM
I never thought I'd miss Professor Moneybags.
Yes, cynical comments were much better than ignorant arguements.....

[Latifa]

I'm getting sick of all these ridiculous threads from these ignorami. Please, where are you Moneybags. You made me consider capitalism for 5 minutes once.

[encephalon]

here, I'll fill his place:

non-sequitor!

[NovelGentry]

<snip rest of bullshit argument>

[encephalon]

hah.