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RedStarOverChina
3rd February 2005, 20:58
I wrote this for politics class...

Michael Moores controversial film, Fahrenheit 911 is the most commercially successful documentary film ever made. The left-wing political activist attacks George W. Bush ferociously just before the election of 2004. With the backing of overwhelming facts, Moore accuses Bush of almost everything except fluency in English.①

Though some of the facts he used is disputable, Michael Moore is successful in presenting a valid argument that the U.S. President is a despicable right-wing politician who exercises his political power to serve his own interest. Moore also attacks Bush on his legitimacy by insisting that the election was rigged. Issues such as the Iraqi war and the terrorist attack on September 11th are also targets of Moores attacks. For example, the film suggests that Bush went to war with Iraq to enrich his own pocket.

The film gives us a glimpse of Bushs grand strategy of controlling the media to influence the election and popular mentality. After 911, the film signifies, Bush begins to control Americans mentality by pumping fear into their brain. People will do everything if are afraid. The more afraid people are, the more likely they will submit their reason and follow the despotic rule without questioning it. Hence Bush raises the alert level once in a while, to remind people that the war on terror has not ended, that they still require his protection and guidance. This naturally fuels the growing fear in American, which most likely made George Bushs life easier. Being a dictator is much easier, to put it in his own words.

Bushs main profit in promoting fear lies within the Iraqi War. Because of his successful psychological control over the Americans, he is able to launch a war against a sovereign nation that never threatened to kill an American citizen, facing only minimum opposition within America. The war, of course is a remarkable success, contributing greatly to George Bush and Dick Cheneys retirement funds, not to mention the piggy banks of a whole platoon of multinational corporations.
However, an average American may not have been so lucky under the leadership of the misunderestimated② war president. Michael Moore illustrates a scene of economical depression in the United States, as millions of jobs were lost since Bushs presidency. The poor young men, unable to afford education, have no options other than joining the army and become food for powder③ in Afghanistan and Iraq.

I want to make sure everybody who has a job wants a job, Bush claims, possibly commenting on the employment issue. On the other hand, Moores message is much clearer. He indicates that the lower class in the American society receives the worst treatments; yet they are the ones fighting for America in the wars, while the real warmongers refuse to send their children to the battlefield.

I enjoy the movie very much, as I find Michael Moores viewpoint somewhat similar to that of mine. His message in general is just and sincere, though a minor proportion of it is debatable. I truly believe that Michael Moore loves America, because he loves the majority of the people that makes up the nation, instead of the government thats ruling over them.

① Fluency in English is something Im often not accused of.
George W. Bush
② They misunderestimate me.
George W. Bush
③ Food for gunpowder. Shakespeare, Henry IV part I act 4

General Secretary of RWLP
12th February 2005, 02:09
That was one of the worst reviews of any film I have ever read. You are have missed every major point Moore presents including the importance of violence in resisting Bush. You have also forgotten the fact that Moore is nothing more that a moderate Liberal and will be tossed aside when he defies the Revolution!

-General Secretary of GHRWLP, Rono McKoy

bolshevik butcher
12th February 2005, 11:00
Originally posted by General Secretary of [email protected] 12 2005, 02:09 AM
That was one of the worst reviews of any film I have ever read. You are have missed every major point Moore presents including the importance of violence in resisting Bush. You have also forgotten the fact that Moore is nothing more that a moderate Liberal and will be tossed aside when he defies the Revolution!

-General Secretary of GHRWLP, Rono McKoy
I thought it was good, where does he even mention the revolution? This was about bush and farenheight 9/11.

General Secretary of RWLP
12th February 2005, 22:17
where does he even mention the revolution?

That is the problem, Moore does not even touch on the Revolution and for the obvious reasons that he is a moderate Liberal fool. Anyone who thought this Maoist's review was even half as decent as Moore's film, is nothing more than a blind maniac.

-General Secretary of GHRWLP, Rono McKoy

Urban Rubble
12th February 2005, 22:43
You are have missed every major point Moore presents including the importance of violence in resisting Bush.

I've only seen part of the movie, does Moore really advocate violence ? I find that incredibly hard to believe.

By the way, you really like your fancy little title don't you ? Typical bureaucratic Leninist.

General Secretary of RWLP
13th February 2005, 01:21
does Moore really advocate violence ?

Of course he does not, that is the problem! Only neive pricks like Moore and yourself think we can have communism just by protesting onece a year and reading Al Franken! Violence is the only means to gain power for the Party!



By the way, you really like your fancy little title don't you ?

The title was given to me by the party, the most important thing in my life, so of course I love it. I am the leader of the People's movement and I treaser it. Only foolish Liberals, like you, could ever stand against the People!


Typical bureaucratic Leninist

How dare you insult the greatest leader in Human history!

-General Secretary of GHRWLP

Urban Rubble
13th February 2005, 02:56
Of course he does not, that is the problem! Only neive pricks like Moore and yourself think we can have communism just by protesting onece a year and reading Al Franken! Violence is the only means to gain power for the Party!

Well, let me quote you:


You are have missed every major point Moore presents including the importance of violence in resisting Bush.

And where the fuck do you get off implying that I'm a liberal ?


The title was given to me by the party, the most important thing in my life, so of course I love it. I am the leader of the People's movement and I treaser it. Only foolish Liberals, like you, could ever stand against the People!


I'm sure the 5 members of your piss ant party are very proud.

Again, typical bureaucratic bullshit from a Leninist who lives in a fantasy world.


How dare you insult the greatest leader in Human history!

You are beyond idiotic. How old are you ? Do you have Lenin bedsheets and life size cardboard cut outs of him in your room ? He was a political figure, not a super hero, get over it. He was a brilliant man, but one who made many mistakes. Leninism has been tried, it has failed. It's time to progress, not keep trying the same dead end roads of Leninism.

General Secretary of RWLP
13th February 2005, 04:38
Well, let me quote you:


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You are have missed every major point Moore presents including the importance of violence in resisting Bush.



And where the fuck do you get off implying that I'm a liberal ?

I am sorry if you are too stupid to understand the simple concept of direct action.


I'm sure the 5 members of your piss ant party are very proud.

Actually we have 24 members as of now and are growing. We live in a somewhat small and very conservative town so it is actually a great victory to have won that manny people. I do not appreatiate you desicrating the work the party has done in the last year such as, protesting our Mayor's welfare cuts, gaining the signitures of almost half our townspeople to stop the hunting in our woods, helping to convince the legislature in alowing refugees from Africa to live in our town, passing out propaganda to our local high school students, raising funds for the food pantre (over 200,000 in one year!), convincing the town to collectivly donate 250,000 to the victums of global AIDS and other horrors, threating the life of the Republican mayor numerous times and spray painting anti-war messages throughout the town along with numerous protests. And all of that was in our first year and a half! Have you done this? If not then I prefer if you would not critize US!


You are beyond idiotic. How old are you ? Do you have Lenin bedsheets and life size cardboard cut outs of him in your room ? He was a political figure, not a super hero, get over it. He was a brilliant man, but one who made many mistakes. Leninism has been tried, it has failed. It's time to progress, not keep trying the same dead end roads of Leninism.

If you must know I am 24 years old and am proud to be a Marxist-Leninist! I am apoled at your lack of respect for such a great man who helped and inspired so many people like myself. Leninism has sucsded numerous times (and still does today in Cuba) and has only failed under Revisionist leaders. I ask you to refrain from hating him!



And where the fuck do you get off implying that I'm a liberal ?

Anyone on the left who worships Moore and hates Lenin, or at least disrespects him, is by definition a Liberal!

-General Secretary of GHRWLP, Rono McKoy (and proud of it!)

UtopicImperium
13th February 2005, 08:01
Of course he does not, that is the problem! Only neive pricks like Moore and yourself think we can have communism just by protesting onece a year and reading Al Franken! Violence is the only means to gain power for the Party!

your whole way of seeing things is just is black and white. You're accusing Urban Rubble of a "liberal" just because he has a different point of view than yours. I bet you will label me "liberal" too.

And the whole Lenin worshiping. Marxist-leninism has failed, it is not the way to communism; Marxist-leninist societies are doomed to return to capitalism just as history has shown us. If a new revolution does not occur in Cuba, it will probably meet the same fate other Marxist-Leninist societies have faced; return to capitalism.

General Secretary of RWLP
13th February 2005, 17:17
You're accusing Urban Rubble of a "liberal" just because he has a different point of view than yours. I bet you will label me "liberal" too.

I lable him a liberal beacuse he is a liberal. He beleves in petty reforms and is a huge fan of Moore! And no I did not lable you a liberal, maybe if you were not a coward and told your belevs then I could lable you something.


And the whole Lenin worshiping. Marxist-leninism has failed, it is not the way to communism; Marxist-leninist societies are doomed to return to capitalism just as history has shown us.

Now this is just pure bull-shit! Before the Marxist-Leninist governments took power in places such as Cuba, Nicaragua, China, Angola, South Yemen,and especially Russia, the government was completly controlled by Capitalists who made sure the upper class got what they wanted. Once the partys took controlle they took great steps to improve the lives of their people. But when the US empire and inner counter-revolutionarys were not delt with quick enough the governments were cruely toppeled. It was not beacuse of their own failors but that of others and just beacuse something fails once does not mean we should give up on it when we have come so close! (Look at what our party has done in our small town!)

-General Secretary of GHRWLP, Rono McKoy

UtopicImperium
14th February 2005, 01:28
I lable him a liberal beacuse he is a liberal. He beleves in petty reforms and is a huge fan of Moore!

where does urban rubble says he belives in reforms? Where does he says that he is a fan of Moore? please don't make stuff up.
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But when the US empire and inner counter-revolutionarys were not delt with quick enough the governments were cruely toppeled.


*sigh* tipical excuse made by the contemporary leninist. "Leninism is perfect, the only reason it failed was because other people. Lets blame the counter-revolutionaries and the US". First of all, counter-revolutionaries were dealt with severely. They killed so many of them and even many true revolutionaries along with them, resulting in millions of deaths. So dont blame it on that, because those parties were already severely strict on it. They even killed Trotsky; was he counter-revolutionary?
Yes, the US has been responsable for crushing many Leninist societies, but the Soviet Union's failure has nothing to do with the US. The US was sabotaged by the soviets just as the US did to the soviets. Also, the US has been sabotaged countless of times by others...and look, their government haven't crumbled.

ust beacuse something fails once does not mean we should give up on it when we have come so close![QUOTE]

I agree. However, when you lose a game of chess, it is logical that in the next game a different strategy needs to be used.

anarchialibertad
14th February 2005, 02:00
General Secretary of RWLP

First of all i want to congratulate u for ur efforts to help the people, u and ur party have done great things and u should continue.
However, ur views on communism are too extrreme, and people with similar ideals had given communism a bad name Stalin, Castro.

Violence bring nothin more than Violence and no change. Ur just following a cicle that can be seen in the French Revolution. First u wanna cut the heads of the wealthy class, then impose radical ideals, next the people wont know wut to do with the power so they would put a bs power lovin general like Napoleon and Castro, who would take adavantage of their power and create a dictatorship.

The only solution for changes is peaceful progressive movements by educating the people with anarcho-communist ideals. We cant enforce our views with violence because that would not make us any better than the rest.

UNITY y ANARCHIA ES LIBERTAD

Livetrueordie
14th February 2005, 22:16
I've never seen this, Because Michael Moore is just using propaganda for his own capitalist agenda.

General Secretary of RWLP
15th February 2005, 00:49
I've never seen this, Because Michael Moore is just using propaganda for his own capitalist agenda.

Even though I despise Moore, it is customary for real leftists to back up their arguments!

-General Secretary of GHRWLP, Rono McKoy

bolshevik butcher
15th February 2005, 14:07
Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2005, 10:16 PM
I've never seen this, Because Michael Moore is just using propaganda for his own capitalist agenda.
Just because someone isn't a marxist doesn't mean you can't watch there films, there's this ridiculous notion with some people on this site, that if something doesn't fit in exactley with your position, then don't touch it.

RedStarOverChina
17th February 2005, 15:26
First of all, I didnt write this article to undermine the revolutionary spirit of the Marx-Leninist comrades. I wrote it for my high school politics class.

General Secretary of RWLP, I am not really a marx-leninist, but still im gonna give u an honest advice.

"unite all that can be united against a common enemy." --Mao

unless u understand to accept other's views and work with them together to defeat a common enemy, ur party will not prosper.

I sincerely hope u guys would suceed (as long as u dont plan to kill everyone that disagree with u even a little), because i see us, all of us leftists as a group of truth seeking individuals, and all of us deserve respect. Dont u think we should work together to bring forth change?

RedStarOverChina
17th February 2005, 15:31
By the way, I dont necessarily agree with Moore in many aspects.

nevertheless, i support him, cause he's an outspoken leftist with a tremendous amount of influence. And he is someone who actually cares about the people. nowadays, even that is rare. I truely believe in a united front of all leftists.

Dr. Rosenpenis
17th February 2005, 17:22
Moore is not a leftist. He is a liberal. How many times do we have to spell it out for you?
He condones the democratic party and is therefore no better than the republicans.

I too disagree with the leader-worship of this WRLP fella, but congratulations to your party.


Again, typical bureaucratic bullshit from a Leninist who lives in a fantasy world.

Now, now Urban. He is the leader of a modest activist party. What is bureaucratic about that?
And I don't understand how an anarchist can accuse a Leninist of living in a fantasy world. I mean, really.

RedStarOverChina
17th February 2005, 17:26
If Moore isnt a leftist, wht hope do we have for america? does he not suggest a more equal distribution of wealth? if that isnt leftism, wht is leftism really? authoritarianism?

bolshevik butcher
17th February 2005, 17:28
Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2005, 05:26 PM
If Moore isnt a leftist, wht hope do we have for america? does he not suggest more equal distribution of wealth? is that isnt leftism, wht is leftism really? authoritarianism?
What red zeppelin means is that he isn't a leftist in the sense that he isn't a socialist, however i agree with you, he is fairly left wing, and I agree with much of what he says.

Dr. Rosenpenis
17th February 2005, 17:32
If he advocated General Clark for president and the democratic party, then no, he doesn't promote economic equality. Furthermore, he does absolutely nothing for our cause. He is even lower than a reformist if he sides with the dmeocrats. He is a worthless shit.

Urban Rubble
17th February 2005, 22:31
Woah, forgot about this thread.

First off, Victor. I'm not a fucking Anarchist, where you get that from I have no idea. I tow no party lines, as of this moment I have no desire to pigeonhole myself into a particular leftist catergory. I know, I know, it's all the rage, but still.

This kid lives in a fantasy world typical of many Leninists. They give themselves official sounding names and act as if their made up title is some kind of great honor. It's bullshit and you know it.

Grand exalted leader of the RWLP:


I am sorry if you are too stupid to understand the simple concept of direct action.

You really are incoherent. I don't even know what you're talking about. I never discouraged direct action.


Actually we have 24 members as of now and are growing. We live in a somewhat small and very conservative town so it is actually a great victory to have won that manny people. I do not appreatiate you desicrating the work the party has done in the last year such as, protesting our Mayor's welfare cuts, gaining the signitures of almost half our townspeople to stop the hunting in our woods, helping to convince the legislature in alowing refugees from Africa to live in our town, passing out propaganda to our local high school students, raising funds for the food pantre (over 200,000 in one year!), convincing the town to collectivly donate 250,000 to the victums of global AIDS and other horrors, threating the life of the Republican mayor numerous times and spray painting anti-war messages throughout the town along with numerous protests. And all of that was in our first year and a half! Have you done this? If not then I prefer if you would not critize US!

So if I haven't run around town spray painting the logo of my imaginary Commie Club I'm not allowed to criticize you ?

Look, that's great that you've got a little organization and you're attempting to make changes (though again, you fucking Leninists would rather split into a million small parties consisting of you and 10 friends so you can have a cool title rather than just work with other groups). I always encourage activism. But referring to yourself only with your "official" party title and running around with spray cans makes it really hard to take you guys seriously. Spraypainting should be used for art, not for delusional children to paste cliche political slogans on public buildings. Keep protesting and taking action, drop the little kid shit and the idea that you are leading a vanguard party.


If you must know I am 24 years old and am proud to be a Marxist-Leninist! I am apoled at your lack of respect for such a great man who helped and inspired so many people like myself. Leninism has sucsded numerous times (and still does today in Cuba) and has only failed under Revisionist leaders. I ask you to refrain from hating him!

24 years old and you haven't learned to spell OR stop worshipping super heros. You are quite a man.

Leninism has never "sucsded". The period of Lenin and Stalin's rule (what you call "real Socialism") was every bit as horrible as Tsarist times, probably worse. Sure, some of that was the result of the civil war and other factors out of Lenin's hands, but his Red Terror, supression of strikes with guns and other "genius" attrocities were very much his fault. The system of Leninism failed miserably and the biggest failure of the "revisionists" was trying to have Leninism without terror and violence.


Anyone on the left who worships Moore and hates Lenin, or at least disrespects him, is by definition a Liberal!

Yes, I'm sure that is right there in Websters Dictionary: "Liberal; anyone who finds fault with Lenin killing innocent workers".

Can you please show me where I expressed worship, or even admiration for Michael Moore ? I never did you dumb little prick. You mistyped and indicated that Moore advocated violence, I said I find that hard to believe and you somehow took that as me defending Moore. You are a very unintelligent 24 year old.

Dr. Rosenpenis
18th February 2005, 02:43
Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2005, 12:26 PM
If Moore isnt a leftist, wht hope do we have for america? does he not suggest a more equal distribution of wealth? if that isnt leftism, wht is leftism really? authoritarianism?
Michael Moore is at best a reformist.
The only hope for anywhere is revolution.
Something that Michael Moore is yet to even mention.
He fails to truly threaten the system that we need to overthrow to make any real changes. Until that system is abolished and replaced, working for petty reforms will do nothing but appease the people and gloss over the toil of the working class.

My applogies Urban.
I was under the impression that you were an anarchist.

Urban Rubble
22nd February 2005, 19:10
My applogies Urban.
I was under the impression that you were an anarchist.

No problem. I'm just consistently in awe at how many people assume I'm an Anarchist simply because I don't call myself a "Marxist Leninist" or whatever.

Ell Carino
25th February 2005, 17:52
Michael Moore is brilliant in my opinion... i think he is trying to open the minds of people so they can persue the truth in further elaboration for themselves. He is one man, he can't do anything against the Bush Administration by himself, he needs more support first... and he don't recieve all that much because of the ignorance that breeds in America.

SgtPepper369
24th March 2005, 08:20
I sort of lost my faith in Moore when he lost an arguement to Bill O'Riley. Who looses to Bill O'Riley? Althogh he's made some bad choices he's made some good advancements for leftists in america.

rice349
24th March 2005, 20:49
Michael Moore is a fat capitalist pig. His intentions may have been good at first, he was dirt poor in Roger and Me; however, now he rides in a limo and is in no means a revolutionary, he's the perfect example of bourgeois liberalism. He's the revolutionary equivalent to what malcolm x called, "northern racists." Northern racists won't use derogatory terms, they will denounce open-racism, won't openly object to blacks moving into their neighborhood; but if a black man dates their daughter they would dissapprove completely. These kind of racists, according to Malcolm X, are much more dangerous to the cause than open southern racists. Moore is kind of like this, same thing with liberalism, in the fact that they address problems that protect and serve capitalism in the long run. They stand for limited progress, make small concessions to the workers, but when the issue of revolution comes up they (liberals) denounce it and believe the elections will lead the way to real progress. Bullshit.

codyvo
25th March 2005, 08:11
Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 08:49 PM
Michael Moore is a fat capitalist pig. His intentions may have been good at first, he was dirt poor in Roger and Me; however, now he rides in a limo and is in no means a revolutionary, he's the perfect example of bourgeois liberalism. He's the revolutionary equivalent to what malcolm x called, "northern racists." Northern racists won't use derogatory terms, they will denounce open-racism, won't openly object to blacks moving into their neighborhood; but if a black man dates their daughter they would dissapprove completely. These kind of racists, according to Malcolm X, are much more dangerous to the cause than open southern racists. Moore is kind of like this, same thing with liberalism, in the fact that they address problems that protect and serve capitalism in the long run. They stand for limited progress, make small concessions to the workers, but when the issue of revolution comes up they (liberals) denounce it and believe the elections will lead the way to real progress. Bullshit.
While this may be true Michael Moore has done more than you in spreading political awareness he never intended to be a revolutionary so you can't condemn him for not being one. If you hate everyone that isn't for a revolution you aren't going to have many people on your side and all of your time will have been a waste, be more open minded to others opinions, just because he doesn't share the same beliefs as you does not mean he is wrong.

rice349
25th March 2005, 11:10
While this may be true Michael Moore has done more than you in spreading political awareness he never intended to be a revolutionary so you can't condemn him for not being one. If you hate everyone that isn't for a revolution you aren't going to have many people on your side and all of your time will have been a waste, be more open minded to others opinions, just because he doesn't share the same beliefs as you does not mean he is wrong.

First of all, you know nothing of my work comparing me as to not doing as much as Michael Moore, apparently all he's done is create an expired news broadcast. Part of my problem with Fahrenheit 9/11 was it was all basic information, the world was aware of the Bush lies. Only reactionary America found this to be new and invigorating information. If you call spreading political awareness making millions off a movie that is common knowledge than no i guess i haven't done as much as Michael Moore. However, I work very hard trying to inform and spread class conscious both here and when i was in my native Georgia. And i didn't make any profit other than the excitement of seeing new comrades join in the struggle.