Is an American Socialist Ok?

[bed_of_nails]

Hello. I am new around here, and I have a question that pertains to if I am allowed here or not. I am an American socialist. I hold all the communist beliefs, but I believe that America will refrain from communism because it is ingrained into most Americans to think "Communism=Evil" without even knowing what it is. I declare myself a socialist because I believe it is a step in the correct (I refrained from saying right) direction. My question is, am I in a good standing here? Is it ok for me to believe in the communist ideals, but because my political region, concider myself a socialist because it is all that I could accomplish? Am I just as bad as the right-wingers and stalinists?

Thank you to anyone who can help me figure out if I am allowed here.

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

Haha, if you're committed to radical social change, you're more than welcome . . . it's just a question of seeing how yr beliefs stand up in debate. ;)

Welcome. Always nice to have new posters.

[bed_of_nails]

Hah. I am decent at defending my ideas, I am on the debate team. I am not used to defending my ideas from people who are this much more knowledgeable than I on politics though. It could be because I am 17 though. I plan to learn as much as I can here.

[Zingu]

I'm worse!

An American Communist!

You probably can guess I don't get much sympathy either. I'm 16 myself. Its very hard to be a leftist in America since of the right wing liberal, (neo)conservative and libertarian dominance.
Plus at school, you get alot of stupid questions and accusations of being a Communist..."Yeah, you and your Nazi Commie scum! blah blah blah".....
You probably know what I mean :)

[Livetrueordie]

If u Hold communist ideals Your an american-communist not socialist. Communism and socialism are different so whyd u claim urself american-socialist. Im confused

[bed_of_nails]

Because I see life as steps. I dont think America would achieve Communism any time soon, so I see socialist reforms as the best policy. I label myself a socialist because it is what I personally hope to achieve. If someone could take the torch and move further over to Communism, that would prove interesting. I would be interested in knowing how we would get the entire world to switch to Communism. Not having currency generally kills travel.

[encephalon]

You could probably get away with calling yourself a reform communist as such, though it's sometimes used as a dirty word by some communists.



You probably can guess I don't get much sympathy either. I'm 16 myself. Its very hard to be a leftist in America since of the right wing liberal, (neo)conservative and libertarian dominance.


Try living in the the "adult" world and openly being a communist in the u.s., it's fun. People generally just think you're a nazi, they really have no clue as to what communism actually is. Which, unfortunately, makes many in this area think I'm an alright guy.

Not that I'm not an alright guy. Just that I'm not a nazi.

[Abstrakt]

Oyh. Tell me about it, It's hell.

[Outlaw289]

So why'd you become a socialist in America? Do you hate the Constitution?

[Abstrakt]

..I do...It was a slave code until the fourteenth ammendment. I'm not sure where that question came from..But..Eh.

[Guest1]

You have alot to learn, but welcome anyways.

Reform leads us nowhere. Reform is what the ruling class throws at us when they feel threatened, in the hopes it will please the working class and divide the movement. The moment the threat subsides, it is taken away again.

Ask for everything, and they will offer you half. Ask for half, and they'll give you nothing at all.

Being a Communist is about the working class demanding, and eventually taking, everything. What is rightfully theirs.

This entire system is built on theft afterall.

As for lack of money killing travel, all forms of industry are generally lightyears ahead and more efficient when collectivized and run democratically by the workers themselves without consideration for money or profit. The boss at this point in human society is doing nothing but holding us back. As is the currency system, and market economies.

For an example of just how superior collective modes of production and distribution are at implementing advanced technologies and developing them to their fullest potential, one needs look no further than the internet. Firefox, Linux, file sharing software, these are all gift economies and collective modes of production and distribution.

There's nothing wrong with being an American Communist, and though it may be the last to fall, remember that America inevitably will have a workers' revolution.

[Outlaw289]

Originally posted by Che y [email protected] 4 2005, 02:07 AM







There's nothing wrong with being an American Communist, and though it may be the last to fall, remember that America inevitably will have a workers' revolution.

Reform leads us nowhere. Reform is what the ruling class throws at us when they feel threatened, in the hopes it will please the working class and divide the movement. The moment the threat subsides, it is taken away again.

Exactly, to nullify your absurd movement. They have every right to, and its your movements fault if they falter at these measures.


Being a Communist is about the working class demanding, and eventually taking, everything. What is rightfully theirs.

This entire system is built on theft afterall.

How is the working class taking what they "rightfully" deserve? By what right? Everything does not belong to the working class.


As for lack of money killing travel, all forms of industry are generally lightyears ahead and more efficient when collectivized and run democratically by the workers themselves without consideration for money or profit. The boss at this point in human society is doing nothing but holding us back. As is the currency system, and market economies.

For an example of just how superior collective modes of production and distribution are at implementing advanced technologies and developing them to their fullest potential, one needs look no further than the internet. Firefox, Linux, file sharing software, these are all gift economies and collective modes of production and distribution.

This does not prove your argument that collectivization is superior. How do you think Linux, Firefox, and P2P programs would work if it were not for the programs usage of products made in the inventive and productive capitalist system? P2P networks would not work if there were no files to share. De-centralized companies make the prgrams that are traded with these P2P programs, and you just proved (by microcosm) how centralized economics leeches off of and relies upon productive, profit-seeking work.

[Abstrakt]

I smell some right wingage

[Outlaw289]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 02:17 AM
I smell some right wingage
http://forumspam.articblue.nl/user_related/obvious/images/0568.jpg

:D :P

[Abstrakt]

Haha...tuschae(sp!?!??!)

[Outlaw289]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 02:34 AM
Haha...tuschae(sp!?!??!)
I think its touchee, but I take Spanish, not french.


Anyways, guys, dont think Im a troll. I just want you guys to see the light, hopefully, and recognize the wonders of self motivation of individuality that manifests itself in the unknown ideal. Its name is Capitalism, and it comes to throw of the chains of collectivism, be your own man, and earn based on your own merits.

[Abstrakt]

Yes, but with Capitalism comes the high rise, low fall, rise again, low fall..Over and over again.

[Guest1]

More importantly, it's based on theft, and is now unnecessary. It's played its role in the process of production, it's now time for it to go into the dustbin of history like Feudalism.

Democratic production is the next step.

http://img109.exs.cx/img109/3236/firetheboss.jpg

As for you, I don't care if you're a troll. We have rules

As you have admitted being a supporter of Capitalism, I will make you acquainted with the Revolutionary Left guidelines:


What is restriction, and what is the Opposing Ideologies forum?

Restriction is a measure the membership uses to focus the debate on this site. We are a group of progressive Leftists, after all. That is about as much as many of us have in common however. We disagree on how the society we envision will work, how best to emancipate the workers and many other issues. We need to debate these things respectfully, amongst ourselves. So we restrict debate about whether we should emancipate the workers at all to the Opposing Ideologies forum.

This is where all right-wingers are sent. This is where anyone who is too disruptive to proper debate is sent. There are other reasons for being restricted to OI of course, but generally, it requires behavior that is deemed in conflict with the membership's vision for this site.
Thus, you are now restricted.

Enjoy.

[bed_of_nails]

Thank you for addressing my previous concerns. My new question is about currency exchange. If one nation becomes completely communistic, and has eliminated currency, what happens if someone wishes to go vacationing in another, non-communistic, region of the world? I have never thought of this problem before. Also, I must assume the stock market would have no purpose, so how would we handle the collapse of parts of the world economy? Dont get me wrong, I believe in communism, but these problems just suddenly arose to me and I am trying to find some more good answers.

[amusing foibles]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 04:31 AM
Thank you for addressing my previous concerns. My new question is about currency exchange. If one nation becomes completely communistic, and has eliminated currency, what happens if someone wishes to go vacationing in another, non-communistic, region of the world? I have never thought of this problem before. Also, I must assume the stock market would have no purpose, so how would we handle the collapse of parts of the world economy? Dont get me wrong, I believe in communism, but these problems just suddenly arose to me and I am trying to find some more good answers.
Full-out "communism" can't work at a local level; in order for it to be successful (and not ultimatly crushed by outside, cappie forces) it has to be a global (or near-global) movement; thus, money would be irealevent. I'd imagine you'd just go.

If you were in a socialist country, money would still be used- the big question is if the capitalist countries will accept your filthy pinko money.

[Donnie]

Yeh Communism would have to work on a global level, becuase if us Brits had a revolution and turned the country communist. Yankee Imperialism would be all over are ass, they would be like "j00 durrrty c0mmies dIe!!!" lmao :P.

Thats why in order for communism to work, we would have to rely on you Americans to have a MASSIVE communist uprising in America, so that us small Islands would not be crushed by Imperialism. :)

[Livetrueordie]

K ill have a heart to heart with the Bush, see if he'll resign.

[Abstrakt]

Haha. Why doesn't someone MAKE him resign?(Permanately)

[Socialist_Smurf]

Haha. Why doesn't someone MAKE him resign?(Permanately)

Surely you aren't advocating the death of such a great leader! Why who else can provide such a glaring example of what is completely wrong with the right-wing? :D

[xx_refused_xx]

yes.... i'm also one myself, i'm going to join the Michigan Socialist Party, i'm also trying to start somewhat of a movement in my area, but it's so hard to.... in a area with nothing but 'Vote Bush' signs all over during the elections.

[bed_of_nails]

Great... I was wondering if this message board was watched by the Government... And now it probably is... Playing with my paranoia complex... Well...

A Word To Bush:

Democracy doesnt come to people on the tip of a bullet.