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RedStarOverChina
3rd February 2005, 00:27
This is my essay for economics class, tho it does involve politics. Please give me ur opinion regarding the issue. And ignore the technical stuff.

On February 1 of 2005, the minimum wage here in Ontario was being raised to $7.45 per hour. This event naturally brought up the debate about the benefits and disadvantages of minimum wage, which had already been going on for more than a century.
The encyclopedia defines minimum wage as following: “the minimum rate a worker can legally be paid (usually per hour) as opposed to wages that are determined by the forces of supply and demand in a free market.” We can easily perceive it as a policy that undermines a free market, in other words, a capitalist economy. And it does.
First suggested by socialists, it was introduced into Canada in 1918, in B.C. and Manitoba. Employers and enterprenuers have moaned and grumbled about it ever since, because of an obvious reason: they feared they might lose their impressive profit to the workers. Without such measurements, the employers could get away with paying their workers next to nothing, especially when the market is backed by an excessively large workforce. The employers complained violently, as minimum wage got higher and higher; and their trade of exploiting people got less and less lucrative.
Somehow, they found out that the government, for once, was not standing behind them to back them up on the issue of minimum wage. It’s not that the political parties were no longer interested in the bribes from businessmen. However, they were also planning to please the masses in order to get elected, so they could enjoy more bribes from large companies. But even without all the cynicism, we can understand why democratic governments today like the idea of minimum wages.
The general population liked the concept of minimum wage. It does a number of good things other than raising people’s wages and increasing their standard of living. It decreases lower-income group’s dependency on government relief programs, and discourages labor-intensive jobs, in favor of better-paid jobs that require less physical labor. It also encourages people to receive more training to get better jobs, as people are able to pursue a better education with the money they earned from their current jobs.
Traditionally, it is believed that minimum wage has a negative effect on overall employment. However, according to the research done by economists David Card and Alan Krueger, “the negative employment effects of minimum-wage laws are to be minimal if not non-existent.” That is because, while minimum wage discourages harsh physical labor, it helps the society to create jobs that require better education. As the minimum wages increase, the consumer demand for products also increases, because of the strangthened financial ability of the workers. That, of course offers more job opportunities.
Theoretically speaking, enforcing a minimum wage policy, which can be demonstrated by placing the bottom line price above the market eqilibrium in an suply and demand diagram, automatically and artificially creates an surplus in the supply of workers; meaning many would lose their jobs. But in practice, those who lose their job will have new career opportunities since those who keep their jobs are making more than they used to, thus are willing to buy more products and services.
The Kaynesian economists, who had been the dominating group of economists since the beginning of WWII, emphasized the flow of currency instead of the accumulation of capital. Their belief that a healthy and strong flow of currency benefits the society, seem to be correct.
The best way to ensure this healthy rotation of money is to distribute the wealth more equally among the people, instead of handing them over to the few who are very likely to accumulate their wealth. The minimum wage policy does just the right thing for the economy by enriching the pockets of the majority.

crazyman
3rd February 2005, 00:41
The thing I HATE about minimum wage is that is restricts my freedom as a employee to do what I want. I can't just take a job to get the experience to make more money in the future.
Just another way the government cuts back on my freedoms.

The Garbage Disposal Unit
3rd February 2005, 00:50
Exactly - I'm in favour of the government sodding off all together. Then I can hang my boss, and my fellow employess and I can run the workplace as we see fit.

In the meantime, I'd prefer to NOT FUCKING STARVE while earning experience. I mean, maybe you're a privillaged ****, but I'm living on basmati rice and pita bread.

EDIT: Checked fridge - also have penut butter and mayonaise, as well as some potatos and canned peas in the cupboard. I guess I'm doing alright . . . but you see my point. At sweat-shop, profit maximizing wages, I'd have trouble getting the necessities of llife - which are a right.

RedStarOverChina
3rd February 2005, 01:05
"The thing I HATE about minimum wage is that is restricts my freedom as a employee to do what I want. I can't just take a job to get the experience to make more money in the future.
Just another way the government cuts back on my freedoms. "

Really? Pray tell, crazyman and Virgin Molotov Cocktail. I'm not working and not exactly "with the people" 'cause I'm locked up in a private, aristocratic high school...

Tell me more about how u feel about minimum wage...cause i thought workers liked it...isnt there an minimum wage for students and worker-in-training too? Why is minimum wage restricting worker's freedom?
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Veritas
3rd February 2005, 01:48
Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2005, 01:05 AM
"The thing I HATE about minimum wage is that is restricts my freedom as a employee to do what I want. I can't just take a job to get the experience to make more money in the future.
Just another way the government cuts back on my freedoms. "

Really? Pray tell, crazyman and Virgin Molotov Cocktail. I'm not working and not exactly "with the people" 'cause I'm locked up in a private, aristocratic high school...

Tell me more about how u feel about minimum wage...cause i thought workers liked it...isnt there an minimum wage for students and worker-in-training too? Why is minimum wage restricting worker's freedom?
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Sorry if I sound dumb, this is my first post. But I feel that College students should get at least $40,000 a year to go to school to learn a trade. This could be a tax on whatever industry is the benefit of this learning. What do you think?

Cal
3rd February 2005, 01:59
If there wasn't a minimum wage everyone would whine because there isn't one.

There has to be a minimum wage for those people who aren't in great jobs but who need a decent income as they can't afford to take jobs for the experience.

RedStarOverChina
3rd February 2005, 03:46
But I feel that College students should get at least $40,000 a year to go to school to learn a trade. This could be a tax on whatever industry is the benefit of this learning.

I'm sorry... I really cant anwser u on that...As for now, I'm only a cage bird flipping thro pages of Das Kapital...I have absolutely no experience in the outside world... but 40,000 a year sound like alot of money, especially if u are in the states.

I donno, as communists, arent we suppose to fight for the workers instead of only the "social elites"(who can go to college)?

The Garbage Disposal Unit
3rd February 2005, 03:51
Haha, re-read my post RedStarO'erChina, I'm agreeing with you.

NovelGentry
3rd February 2005, 04:21
http://www.adaction.org/mwbook.html

bolshevik butcher
3rd February 2005, 19:00
The minimum wage is a good thing, although it's too low at the moment.

GothSlayer
4th February 2005, 02:02
Originally posted by Clenched [email protected] 3 2005, 07:00 PM
The minimum wage is a good thing, although it's too low at the moment.
Yes, the minimum wage is a good thing as it ends up devaluing currency which brings about the collapse of societ quicker. As the minimum wage that must be paid to workers is increased, the costs of all goods and services increase in response, meaning a dollar gets you less and less. Once the dollar has become devalued enough it will be easy to destroy the society currently in place and replace it with a better economic system.

Yazman
4th February 2005, 05:17
Too bad for you it doesn't usually work that way in practice, GothSlayer.

GothSlayer
4th February 2005, 05:23
Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 05:17 AM
Too bad for you it doesn't usually work that way in practice, GothSlayer.
Are you so sure about that? When minimum wage goes up, prices go up. It happens.

RedStarOverChina
4th February 2005, 05:51
GothSlayer

did u even read my article? geez please read it, cause i had already addressed ur argument in there.

bolshevik butcher
4th February 2005, 21:30
Originally posted by GothSlayer+Feb 4 2005, 05:23 AM--> (GothSlayer @ Feb 4 2005, 05:23 AM)
[email protected] 4 2005, 05:17 AM
Too bad for you it doesn't usually work that way in practice, GothSlayer.
Are you so sure about that? When minimum wage goes up, prices go up. It happens. [/b]
No, it doesn't because only the poorest will actually recieve an increase in pay.