Che-lives and Che Store

[Urban Guerrilla]

I've heard debates on the Che apparel within this site and since I found this (Revolutionaryleft.com) from Che-lives.com (which has links to the apparel site) I'd think people who really appreciate Che (or at least know a lot about him) also supports the apparel and I want to get your views on this paticular matter.

[che's long lost daughter]

The site doesn't use the "money" they get from selling Che products for capitalistic reasons, Malte uses it to keep the site alive which i think is a justifiable reason.

[Urban Guerrilla]

That's cool. A really good idea as well.

[Lee Harvey Oswald]

Originally posted by che's long lost [email protected] 3 2005, 10:53 AM
The site doesn't use the "money" they get from selling Che products for capitalistic reasons, Malte uses it to keep the site alive which i think is a justifiable reason.

Shouldn't people donate then? I mean, buying/selling is pretty capitalistic; shouldn't everyone chip in - you know, redistribute the wealth?

And how do you know every sent goes into keeping the site alive?

I don't trust people who engage in...capitalism. :ph34r:

[STI]

Shouldn't people donate then? I mean, buying/selling is pretty capitalistic; shouldn't everyone chip in - you know, redistribute the wealth?

I'm sure that if Malte could get enough steady donations, he'd be happy with that. The problem is, he's not.

And "redistributing the wealth" is about taking the riches away from the rich, not donating when you don't have that much money to begin with.


And how do you know every sent goes into keeping the site alive?

I've known Malte for just over a year, and I've grown to trust him.

[Livetrueordie]

If the world were communist giving shirts with just donations would work. But capitalism is a big part of the world, so t-shirt by donation would end up with people giving 1$ and selling it when they get it. We need a communist internet.lol

[Lee Harvey Oswald]

I'm sure that if Malte could get enough steady donations, he'd be happy with that. The problem is, he's not.

Why aren't people giving donations? If they have enough money to buy shirts, and enjoy the use of the website, then shouldn't they stick to their guns and support communist charity instead of capitalist enterprise?


And "redistributing the wealth" is about taking the riches away from the rich, not donating when you don't have that much money to begin with.

"Rich" is a relative term. Surely those who buy shirts can afford to give donations instead.

[EneME]

Originally posted by Lee Harvey [email protected] 3 2005, 09:13 PM

I'm sure that if Malte could get enough steady donations, he'd be happy with that. The problem is, he's not.

Why aren't people giving donations? If they have enough money to buy shirts, and enjoy the use of the website, then shouldn't they stick to their guns and support communist charity instead of capitalist enterprise?


And "redistributing the wealth" is about taking the riches away from the rich, not donating when you don't have that much money to begin with.

"Rich" is a relative term. Surely those who buy shirts can afford to give donations instead.
That is a good point, if someone has the cash for a shirt, might as well donate. But, if someone is planning to buy a shirt anyway, they would think its better to buy it here (in support of this site) than at some store (in support of some fat-cat's pockets). We take yearly census of our board, and the majority of our members are students either at the end of High School or at the University, so most can't afford to donate $ nor buy a shirt anyway...

[Lee Harvey Oswald]

So why offer variety in clothing?

If people are buying here instead of there - and that's the only reason - so why not offer only one design? Surely the good communists on this board would rather buy a bland shirt than support capitalist pigs?

[Paradox]

If the world were communist giving shirts with just donations would work.

Give donations of what? And why? If the world was Communist there would be NO money. ;)


We take yearly census of our board, and the majority of our members are students either at the end of High School or at the University, so most can't afford to donate $ nor buy a shirt anyway...

I am one of those students (community college) and I can't afford those shirts. Just the T-shirts are like $18, right? Why so much? Are they made in the u$, or in some sweatshop? Former, I hope.


So why offer variety in clothing?

The T-shirts I don't have a problem with, but what's with those $45 button-up shirts with the flashy colors? That's too much in my opinion. But it's not as bad as what I found on e-bay. They had a chasmire (don't know how it's spelled) Che pullover hoody for $265! :lol: How sick is that!?!

Anyways, I buy my Che shirts and others at the local flea markets where I can get 3 for $10. I think I'm gonna stop that though, cuz they're probably made in sweatshops or something.

If I can manage to save up enough money, I'll start buying them here. :lol:
And Zapatista shirts and pins from here:

http://www.redtapstore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?

[STI]

Why aren't people giving donations? If they have enough money to buy shirts, and enjoy the use of the website, then shouldn't they stick to their guns and support communist charity instead of capitalist enterprise?

A lot of people don't have the money to donate. I don't know what all this stuff about "buying shirts" is all about. I havn't bought one from the site. I doubt most of the regulars have.


"Rich" is a relative term. Surely those who buy shirts can afford to give donations instead.

Fine, if you want to play word games. Wealth redistribution is about depriving the wealth of the ruling class.

I doubt many people are buying shirts. You'll notice the google ads at the top of the site. Guess why those are there.

[Anarchist Freedom]

Malte needs the store to run this site soo you might as well tucker up and buy a che shirt lmao

[jotaska]

what!!


we don't need more t-shirts , we need a revolution!

[bed_of_nails]

See... I am a high-schooler without a credit card. My problem with internet donations, is that I must figure out a way to get my money to my parents, so they can make the donation with their credit card. They seem to have some sort of... lack of interest, we shall say, when it comes to donating money to Communists (Remember Any Good US Citizen knows, Communists=Evil). They are much more supportive when it comes to me giving them 15 dollars in order to purchase a shirt about some Latin American guy off of the internet. If I had a credit card, I would LOVE to donate to this wonderful site.

[NovelGentry]

I case you aren't aware, Malte just recently probably spent about $200 on server repair due to failing hardware (could be less than this, but not much, new motherboard for a fairly specific system and a new hard drive were necessary). This is on top of monthly bandwidth costs that if I'm not mistaken are approx $99 us dollars... or were, not sure what the new hosting provider chargs.

I doubt he's gotten $200 from the sales within the past 2 years, let alone the history of this site if it's older.

Why sell shirts and note take donations? I'm pretty sure we do take donations. If you've got the money do what YOU want with it, in the end, you have the decision. But for every person who's able to donate say $10 bucks on here directly, there's going to be 20 kids who might come to this site while searching for "Cool Che t-shirts" on google... and I'm not concerned in the least if some foolish pseudo-revolutionary wants to spend allowances on supporting a communist message board. But you'll never see that kid donate -- so don't think that's really a sustainable means of income.

The fact is, some people just don't want to give money if they're not getting something in return, and i can't blame them, particularly those who don't have enough money for any luxuries. This offers such people a way to get something for their money AND help the site. As for who is being exploited in the production of these t-shirts.. well hey, we live under capitalism, no matter where you bought a shirt someone was exploited in it's creation.

[The Z-Man]

I am so upset about how Che has become such a capitalist enterprise, its truly sad.
There are so many posers around wearing Che appearel, it sickens me to think of it.

[Voice of Freedom]

If you've got the money do what YOU want with it, in the end, you have the decision.

:lol: What a perfectly capitalistic thing to say!

As a communist/sympathizer, why the hell do you think anyone should have the choice?

Educate yourself, read Paine. :P

[Urban Guerrilla]

Because it is a democracy and random people who search the web for "Che Shirts" would rather buy a shirt than donate to a board that they probably don't want to be a part of. They want something in return.

[Voice of Freedom]

Yes, I know why you are obliged to sell things rather than relying on donation, and it is to the credit of the American people. But what I asked was why would a communist seemingly declare that someone has the right to decide what to do with their money. :rolleyes: That is the funniest thing I've ever heard!


in the end, you have the decision. (emphasis added)

Is this just something you're pragmatically accepting; or have you guys failed to recognize that communist dogma dictates one's productive labour belongs to all of humanity, not yourself?

If you have, in fact, realized this, that begs the question: Does one's productive labour belong to humanity de facto (as in reality) or only in your ideal?

[Urban Guerrilla]

Then the whole of this site wouldn't need any donations or have to sale anything.

(yeah I get the whole money comment ordeal) :che:

[poster_child]

The image of Che has just become a marketing tool to young kids desperate to fit in and feel as though they are a part of a cause. It's for kids lashing out against their parents and trying to be a rebel. Nothing more.

We, ourselves, know that we are revolutionaries and no shirt will make us be any more one. That's what the capitalist clothing companies want you to believe so that you buy their product. That's why they advertise.

The solution: Make your own. Get a friend to make it for you.

[Patchy]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2005, 11:51 PM
The image of Che has just become a marketing tool to young kids desperate to fit in and feel as though they are a part of a cause. It's for kids lashing out against their parents and trying to be a rebel. Nothing more.

We, ourselves, know that we are revolutionaries and no shirt will make us be any more one. That's what the capitalist clothing companies want you to believe so that you buy their product. That's why they advertise.

The solution: Make your own. Get a friend to make it for you.
I like your style.

I'm working on a Che painting. It's going to be as easy as pie, blatant red background with the famous picture of Che on it.

[poster_child]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2005, 06:51 AM
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I like your style.

I'm working on a Che painting. It's going to be as easy as pie, blatant red background with the famous picture of Che on it.
Right on. It's good to see someone that's for real.

Enough is enough with the buying and selling of Che. Way to keep him alive- the right way.