Schools / education in a communist society

[voice of the voiceless]

I just had a thought....

How would schools / education differ in a communist society?

im guessing the main one would be that there would obviously be no state schools and that the things taught would be a lot different?

[RedLenin]

It depends on what communism. Under marxist communism I'd doubt that they'd be much differerent. Obviosly they would not be owned by any state and would be a free public service. They would also not try to brainwash kids into capitalism obviosly. But other than that no real differences that I can think of.

However, under anarchist communism, they would be VERY different. Students would choose wheather or not they want to go, how long they want to stay, what classes to take, What work they want to do, when they want to eat, etc. There would also be no attendance policies, no grading system, and the schools would be collectively run by teachers and students.

I personaly would much prefer anarchist schools. :)

[voice of the voiceless]

lol me too. thanks.

[amusing foibles]

Shouldn't Marxist and Anarchist communism be more or less the same? The difference is in how you get there...

[Abstrakt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2005, 07:02 PM
I personaly would much prefer anarchist schools. :)
I concur.

[Pawn Power]

School would not be mandatory. You would learn what you want at your own pace. You would do your own research and learn what really intrests you.
When studing things you are intrested in you will learn much better then being forced information.

[Abstrakt]

Damn, I wish that was actual reality

[redstar2000]

I speculated on this one once...

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[ComradeRed]

See Rousseau's Emile, I think it's the ideal education system.

[Abstrakt]

I think I just might do that.

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2005, 02:02 PM
It depends on what communism.
I am surprised no one else has said this...

Communism is communism. Classless and stateless; no nations, no rulers, no bosses.


Under marxist communism I'd doubt that they'd be much differerent.

Do you know how a commune works? Do you know how people learn by experience? This is nothing like current schooling. Maybe more like trade schooling, you learn about whatever fields you are interested in.


..But other than that no real differences that I can think of.

I wouldn’t waste the time listing them... it would take too long.


However, under anarchist communism, they would be VERY different. Students would choose wheather or not they want to go, how long they want to stay, what classes to take, What work they want to do, when they want to eat, etc. There would also be no attendance policies, no grading system, and the schools would be collectively run by teachers and students.

That is communism/anarchism.

Post 999!

[Abstrakt]

I thought there was only one form of Communism!?!?!

[Outlaw289]

Originally posted by Revolution is the [email protected] 1 2005, 08:57 PM
School would not be mandatory. You would learn what you want at your own pace. You would do your own research and learn what really intrests you.
When studing things you are intrested in you will learn much better then being forced information.
Yes, yes, each to his own ability. Lets not worry about progress, productivity and protection while we hand out jobs based on need and unfairly take incomes from the productive and redistribute them to the leeches and parasites.


Listen, the world does not wait for you. Stop being a self-apologist. learn a trade, a skill, a talent, and do it in the timeframe that everyone else does. No one should have to wait and skulk for YOUR incompetence

[amusing foibles]

I am surprised no one else has said this...

Communism is communism. Classless and stateless; no nations, no rulers, no bosses.


*cough*

.... I did.....

*sulks in corner*

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by amusing [email protected] 4 2005, 12:14 AM

I am surprised no one else has said this...

Communism is communism. Classless and stateless; no nations, no rulers, no bosses.


*cough*

.... I did.....

*sulks in corner*
I was not demeaning your questioning of the subject matter (sorry if you had that impression). I did see that you addressed it; I just expected a more comprehensive response to a misunderstanding, especially in the "Learning" forum.

Also, welcome to the board.

[VukBZ2005]

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Here is my view of what an education should be in Proletarianism (i am going
to use this word in regular, everyday use now.) First - education should only
be about laying the foundations of a child's thinking in a anti-hierarchial, anti-
authoritarian, scientifically, rational way. I like redstar2000's idea of teaching
only the 'basics' - reading, writing legibly, and using a computer. But i would
also like to add that we should also teach basic mathematics (just in case
some kids - after they are done with school - would actually want to go into
studying mathematics and physics on their own time pace.) We should not
have a trivial way of learning - we should teach kids how to think for themselves.
How about kids with special physical and mental needs? There should some kind
of program that would allow them to grasp the fundementals- Reading, Writing,
Basic Mathematics, and if there is a need - using a computer. I must also
comment that i like redstar2000's idea of allowing kids to learn on their own
pace - there should not be any terms, any semesters, and the like -it would
only force children to go on a sheduled basis and trying to shove the 'tools'
of education into their heads instead of allowing to gradually understand what
is going on. Once they get the fundementals - then there would not be a need
for them to attend school. But does not mean that they should not continue
their studing and efforts - they should try to expand their minds in every way
possible. And i really like that. This is something that the current school system
does not really allow as it is so authoritarian and repressive.

[amusing foibles]

Originally posted by 313C7 iVi4RX+Feb 5 2005, 12:17 AM--> (313C7 iVi4RX @ Feb 5 2005, 12:17 AM)
amusing [email protected] 4 2005, 12:14 AM

I am surprised no one else has said this...

Communism is communism. Classless and stateless; no nations, no rulers, no bosses.


*cough*

.... I did.....

*sulks in corner*
I was not demeaning your questioning of the subject matter (sorry if you had that impression). I did see that you addressed it; I just expected a more comprehensive response to a misunderstanding, especially in the "Learning" forum.

Also, welcome to the board. [/b]
Aaahh, no problem, I was just feeling sulky at the time.

And you're right, a more comprehensive response was needed :)

[Ligeia]

No schedules,otherwise it would be repressive but how will that exactly work?
There are teachers and children who want to learn something,so the teachers will offer courses/classes to them?And if so they have to make a date and look when they do have time.And if it is that way,what if there are too many who want to take classes of ,say,literature and then they wont learn well with so many pupils.And will the learning be more or like solitary or in groups?I think the basics will be taught in groups but the things they want to learn afterwards,what happens with them?So my questions are simply,will there be learning groups?,will there be something like a house like a library or school where children come to if they want after learning the basics?,wont there be any dates and times on which to come together and learn?And will there be teachers like nowadays or just people who are willing to teach but didnt learn the science of educating or did and children have to search for them?Will there be still pedagogy?Everyone can be a teacher because everyone knows something others dont or better,so I assume there wont be pedagogy but anyone who wants to learn this can do this.Will parents be allowed to educate their children the way they want?Will their exist authoritarian educating-styles practiced by parents or will it disappear for one or another reason?
;) I know the questions are weird...(I hope you dont get me wrong,I myself think that there doesnt exist enough time to learn all you want)

[VukBZ2005]

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What i meant by scheduled - i mean by yearly terms - giving kids a
entire year to absorb all the stuff the teachers are trying to shove in
their heads in trivial form. It's authoritarian non-sense to force kids
to take all of that within a school year - because they will eventually
stop thinking about it and forget it. So when the next quiz or test comes
- some of them would be totally clueless to the subject. We should allow
children to absorb what they learn on their own pace - some do it faster
than other because they are thinking constantly about what they just
learned - because when they want to learn the subject - then they will
learn. And no - we tend to think that parents would not be teachers -
unless they know the subject at hand show the children they are teaching
- including their own - how to think things for themselves - and doing it in a
rational, scientific, way.

[RedLenin]

No schedules,otherwise it would be repressive but how will that exactly work?
There are teachers and children who want to learn something,so the teachers will offer courses/classes to them?And if so they have to make a date and look when they do have time.And if it is that way,what if there are too many who want to take classes of ,say,literature and then they wont learn well with so many pupils.And will the learning be more or like solitary or in groups?I think the basics will be taught in groups but the things they want to learn afterwards,what happens with them?So my questions are simply,will there be learning groups?,will there be something like a house like a library or school where children come to if they want after learning the basics?,wont there be any dates and times on which to come together and learn?And will there be teachers like nowadays or just people who are willing to teach but didnt learn the science of educating or did and children have to search for them?Will there be still pedagogy?Everyone can be a teacher because everyone knows something others dont or better,so I assume there wont be pedagogy but anyone who wants to learn this can do this.Will parents be allowed to educate their children the way they want?Will their exist authoritarian educating-styles practiced by parents or will it disappear for one or another reason?
;) I know the questions are weird...(I hope you dont get me wrong,I myself think that there doesnt exist enough time to learn all you want)
[/QUOTE] It's impossible to answer all your questions in detail because we are not living in a communist society, but I will tell you what I think. 1. Students can choose the classes they want to take. 2. Classes can start at a certain time, but the student must be allowed to leave at any time. 3. If a class is to full, just wait till some people leave. Students probably wont stay any longer than they wish. 4. The teachers would be like today, just with no authority. Any one can teach as long as they are informed on the subject they are teaching. They would serve only to educate. 5. There would be no authoritarian teaching practices at all. Students would have total freedom. Schools would serve only as means of education, not brainwash camps like today. Like I said earlier, students choose classes they wish to take out of those available. The teachers will choose what classes they want to teach. Also, it should be noted that student don't have to go to school if they don't want to. Parents would have no authority either. Also, there would be no grade seperation. This seperation of grades based on age almost developes into a heirarchy. And last but not least, no attendence policies or grading systems. Students do the work they wish to do.

[pandora]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2005, 06:32 AM
See Rousseau's Emile, I think it's the ideal education system.
Except that he says in Emile that women should only be educated to please a man and should receive no other instruction. Plus the perfect teacher who helps the teacher 24/7 is impossible, hence the need for God :lol: to make the kids think they are being cared for all the time.

Education has to be a community endeavor not a one:one endeavor except for specific tasks, otherwise it is to time consuming.

Also the group of students need to respond to one another as a community and the quicker students help teach the slower. Holistic is good, service learning community gardens (one on every neighborhood in CUBA :lol: ) and having older students work in social services is good.

[redstar2000]

A taste of the future at this site...

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