Mao Sucks

[Capatalist]

Mao only cared about himself, and not his people.

[iwwobblie]

Yeah,but I bet he could spell 'capitalist'. ;)

[October Revolution]

:lol: :lol: :lol: thats great did u mean to spell your name wrong or are you just abit dim :lol: . Moa and Stalin may both be said to be like this but since the majority of people on this forum arn't Maoists or Stalinists your pointless view is falling on deaf ears.

[themanwhodoesnotexist]

PEACE
i don't know if Mao Sucks......i will be the first person to admit the truth.......
I have friend who is Tibetian and Buddist and one day i asked him what he thought about Mao.....and he said, "Mao was a good person, but he didn't know what was happening in his empire"
Thats often the case with Kings......especially in a large country like China..........

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Donald Trump doensn't care about his people at all!

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Mao was alright. Thats about the extent of refutation needed for your extremely long and informed opinion.

[Publius]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2005, 09:48 PM
PEACE
i don't know if Mao Sucks......i will be the first person to admit the truth.......
I have friend who is Tibetian and Buddist and one day i asked him what he thought about Mao.....and he said, "Mao was a good person, but he didn't know what was happening in his empire"
Thats often the case with Kings......especially in a large country like China..........
If Mao knew your friend existed, he would have personally killed him.

Tell him that.

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

How do you know that?

[Publius]

Mao is the worst mass murderer in history, according to the number of deaths.

I wouldn't say he was "alright".

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

You didn't answer his question.

He, maybe Bush doesn't know that his soldiers torture Iraqi's.

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Mao's largest crime is the Great Leap Forward, a bungled attempt to restructure the economy of China which created a famine that killed some 30M. If we confine our indictment to deliberate killings, we get this:
Mao 10M

It's a lot but far off from Hitler and lower than Stalin.

Just to prove you wrong because I can.

[Publius]

Mao's largest crime is the Great Leap Forward, a bungled attempt to restructure the economy of China which created a famine that killed some 30M. If we confine our indictment to deliberate killings, we get this:
Mao 10M

It's a lot but far off from Hitler and lower than Stalin.

Just to prove you wrong because I can.

You count mass famines as well because those deaths were caused by his actions.

If I locked you in a cage and didn't feed you, I would be responsible for your death wouldn't I?

It doesn't matter HOW he killed 30 million people, merely that he did it.

Starvation is quite the effective means of mass murder, it's cheap, it let's you use the food elsewhere, and later-day revisionist symps will ignore them and glorify your name.

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

:P

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

Well, Publius, I don't think Mao personally killed very many people at all, so I'm going to assume you're reffering to the effects of some of his policies . . . now let's add up all the people killed by dictators financed by the Reagan administration, the people starved by global capitalist order which Reagan propped up, and the people directly killed by the US Military with Reagan as its commander and cheif . . . states of all sorts are inevitably murderous entities - let's not play favorites.

[Publius]

Well, Publius, I don't think Mao personally killed very many people at all, so I'm going to assume you're reffering to the effects of some of his policies . . . now let's add up all the people killed by dictators financed by the Reagan administration, the people starved by global capitalist order which Reagan propped up, and the people directly killed by the US Military with Reagan as its commander and cheif . . . states of all sorts are inevitably murderous entities - let's not play favorites.

Sounds fun.

Add them up here, let me take a look at them.

I think your going to find it's high tens of millions compared to almost none.

But go ahead.

[Drathir]

Sounds fun.

Add them up here, let me take a look at them.

I think your going to find it's high tens of millions compared to almost none.

But go ahead.

Pinochet must have been an angel in your eyes then...

What i really wanted to say is this, Publius.... We understand that you have no life considering your coming to a left-wing forum and like to bash our opinions and ideas, but that doesnt mean you cant have a civil tongue... you are a guest, please conduct yourself in a civilized manner

[Publius]

Pinochet must have been an angel in your eyes then...

What i really wanted to say is this, Publius.... We understand that you have no life considering your coming to a left-wing forum and like to bash our opinions and ideas, but that doesnt mean you cant have a civil tongue... you are a guest, please conduct yourself in a civilized manner

Not really.

But he wasn't as bad as people make him out to be.

Do you have any facts you want to argue? Contras? Sandinistas? Death tolls?

I'm not here to bash you, I'm here to debate.

I'm relegated to this box of a forum and I have to act like a guest?

If a bunch of atheist nihilists such as yourselves can't take a little sardonic humor and smartassery, who can?

Really, I'll invite you to a nice conservative forum I post at where you can do nothing but spew hate and you won't be banned.

Don't be so self-important as to think this little intellectual-masturbation theatre you call a forum is somehow important in the real world. It isn't.

[Drathir]

im not even gonna bother... do what you will, prove yourself a fool

[Publius]

[qoute]
im not even gonna bother... do what you will, prove yourself a fool[/quote]

You have 11 posts here, get over yourself.

[Drathir]

You have 11 posts here, get over yourself.

yea... and i belong here, as im a commie/anarchist... you on the other hand are a self-righteous right-wing nut... so what the hell are you doing here?

[Publius]

yea... and i belong here, as im a commie/anarchist... you on the other hand are a self-righteous right-wing nut... so what the hell are you doing here?

Do you accept anarcho-capitalists? I'm not one, but I could change.

:)

I'm here to debate. You can come to a conservative forum and debate us, convert us, talk shit, spam, no strings attached. Good ole' freedom.

If you don't like me, stay out of the "Opposing Views" forum.

[Drathir]

I'm here to debate. You can come to a conservative forum and debate us, convert us, talk shit, spam, no strings attached. Good ole' freedom.


Right... well, if your here to debate, you can show respect, if you know what that is. And the last time I posted on a right-wing forum I had someone try and hack into my puter... good ole freedom eh?


If you don't like me, stay out of the "Opposing Views" forum.

The point is not whether i like you or not, its about you showing respect.. you are much quicker to insult than to showing any resemblence towards conducting a respectull discussion

[Publius]

Right... well, if your here to debate, you can show respect, if you know what that is. And the last time I posted on a right-wing forum I had someone try and hack into my puter... good ole freedom eh?

Not where I'm from would this happen.

And I don't see what the problem is.

I get a kick out of my posts, I think most of them are pretty funny. I'm not meaning to disrespect anyone, just turn a boring, useless, trivial, internet debate into something enjoyable.

Learn to laugh at shit.

If you actually care what an idiot like myself has to say, you're making a bigger mistake than me.

I'm here to debate, and hopefully win, but I don't mislead myself by thinking that I'm important in any way.

It's quite liberating.

[Drathir]

Not where I'm from would this happen.

I live in Texas... not exactly the most accepting of all states in the country, but yeah, unless you go to a forum where there are open-minded people, you wouldnt find a conservative forum in which people wouldnt do that.


I get a kick out of my posts, I think most of them are pretty funny. I'm not meaning to disrespect anyone, just turn a boring, useless, trivial, internet debate into something enjoyable.

You must have a weird sense of humor if you get a kick out of insulting peoples friends, whom are way below the poverty line.


I'm here to debate, and hopefully win, but I don't mislead myself by thinking that I'm important in any way.

From personal experience, I can tell you that people who think theyre not important at all are 99.99% of the time are suicidal... And from what I see of your posts, you seem to be quite full of yourself, so dont categorize yourself where you dont belong

[Publius]

I live in Texas... not exactly the most accepting of all states in the country, but yeah, unless you go to a forum where there are open-minded people, you wouldnt find a conservative forum in which people wouldnt do that.

I could link you if you'd like. You would be verbally assualted and likely defeated in debate, but you're more than welcome to post and you will never be censored.



You must have a weird sense of humor if you get a kick out of insulting peoples friends, whom are way below the poverty line.

I'm not sure where I did that but if you were offended my apologies.

But I was probably kidding.

I said I was sardonic.



From personal experience, I can tell you that people who think theyre not important at all are 99.99% of the time are suicidal... And from what I see of your posts, you seem to be quite full of yourself, so dont categorize yourself where you dont belong

I mean realistically. I think I'm right. I think I'm pretty smart.

But do I think my poorly thought out posts on some message board mean jack shit? Nope.

I'm not suicidal. Life is to funny to pass up.

[RedComrade]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2005, 05:25 PM


Mao's largest crime is the Great Leap Forward, a bungled attempt to restructure the economy of China which created a famine that killed some 30M. If we confine our indictment to deliberate killings, we get this:
Mao 10M

It's a lot but far off from Hitler and lower than Stalin.

Just to prove you wrong because I can.

You count mass famines as well because those deaths were caused by his actions.

If I locked you in a cage and didn't feed you, I would be responsible for your death wouldn't I?

It doesn't matter HOW he killed 30 million people, merely that he did it.

Starvation is quite the effective means of mass murder, it's cheap, it let's you use the food elsewhere, and later-day revisionist symps will ignore them and glorify your name.
Obviously if one could prove Mao intentionally induced a famine that directly caused the death of millions of his countrymen he would indeed be a very bad man. Mao was not a very bad man. At worst he was just incompetent. The difference between Mao's 30 million dead and the millions of people who have died in capitalist countries due to famine in the last century is that Mao's peasants lived under communism, that's the only difference. Communist nations are still subject to negative factors such as drought, civil unrest, disease etc. I think if one were to objectively study the policies of Mao's government (great leap forward etc.) one will find that they are an attempt at modernisation more than anything else. Before the revolution China was still a feudal society. Mao, in the tradition of the French Revolution, Imperial Britain, and 19th century America represented the brutal forces of transition into a modern industrial economy. All industrialisation, whether in capitalist countries, or communist ones came at the cost of millions of human lives. For every Chinese citizen who died from famine you have an equal number of native americans or occupied people in european colonies who died at the hands of first world capitalist countries in the 1800's while those nations were ruthlessly conquering the world in search for the raw materials to modernise their new economies. Modernation, not communism nor capitalism- is responsible for this tragic loss of life. So it goes... The same number of people proportionately would have died if China had undergone the capitalist mode of development witnessed by the europeans earlier. Same end different means, stop your sermonizing; it's all hypocrisy.

[Wiesty]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2005, 04:11 PM
Mao's largest crime is the Great Leap Forward, a bungled attempt to restructure the economy of China which created a famine that killed some 30M. If we confine our indictment to deliberate killings, we get this:
Mao 10M

It's a lot but far off from Hitler and lower than Stalin.

Just to prove you wrong because I can.
wow, it surpassed stalins little scheme by 10 mil. thats quite a bit

[Publius]

Modernization essentially means collectivization.

Basically, he took food away from the poeple who grew it and sold it, gave it away, and in the process, causes 30 million people to starve who woundn't have starved if he didn't do that.

That isn't incompetence, that's at least criminal negligance or even outright murder.

Saying "Mao was not a very bad man" is just stupid.

His regime killed at least 10 million dissidents, imprisoned millions more, destroyed civil liberties and turned China into a police state.

He was a horrible man and even not counting the 30 million is still one of the 5 worst murders in history.

How did Western industrialization take millions of lives? I think you're talking out your ass.


30 million westerners were not killed by capitalists in the 1800's. Baseless accusations.

You are making shit up and I'm calling your stupid ass out.

Can you prove that 30 million Chinese would have died if capitalism were instituted or are you arguing from ignorance?

I'll stop my sermonizing when you stop being assclown revisionist appologists who would sooner deny millions of deaths than admit they were wrong and that their masculinity was in danger.

[RedComrade]

The millions who died from western industrialization primarily lived in the European colonies.... India, Africa, Latin America

Do call me on that friend, one who denies the millions of deaths that resulted from european colonialism is equally distasteful as one who denies that 30 million died from the great leap forward. And if anything one could say that the intention to kill was far more present in Europe's conquest of most of the known world compared to Mao's attempts at rapid industrialization.

And if you want to try and argue that the processes of colonization and industrialization were separate then i think you are sadly mistaken. No industry could have been constructed without the raw materials of the colonies, just as no industry today can run without the raw materials of the third world- a large neo colony if you will which exists soley to supply the economic needs of the first world.

Oh and one more thing... don't call me an ass clown revisionist denier, i haven't denied anything. I just don't look at the world in the black and white terms you "objectivist" ideologues tend to view it in. Capitalism can kill and so can communism.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2005, 12:29 AM


im not even gonna bother... do what you will, prove yourself a fool.

You have 11 posts here, get over yourself.
You have 39, get over your self.


Modernization essentially means collectivization.


Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

This guys a right little comedian.

Basically, he took food away from the poeple who grew it and sold it, gave it away, and in the process, causes 30 million people to starve who woundn't have starved if he didn't do that.

False, actually what he did was was stupid things like reallocating the jobs of peasants who would have traditionally worked on the land, etc. Shame he was an idiot and got his maths wrong.

Listen up, mate. I suggest you talk about something that you actually have a moderate understanding about, really. Ayn Rand perhaps.

[Sirion]

The problem with the 30 million number, as well as all other so called facts about communist deaths, are that they are conting in a lot of deaths that weren't caused by the "commnists". Both the grand leap forward both made during years where the crops failed, and you had natural famine as a result? Also, natural deaths are counted into that number. Last, but not least, China was very isolationist in the age of the GLF, so if is very hard to accurately find out how many deaths there were. However, if I remember right, the political opposition in China accused Mao for having killed 30000 people with the GLF. Indeed, its a large amount of people, way to large in fact, but comparing it to 30 millions put it into perspective.

[Bolshevist]

http://www.etext.org/Politics/MIM/wim/mythsofmao.html

Good read.

[RevolutionarySocialist MadRedDog]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2005, 01:25 AM
Modernization essentially means collectivization.

Basically, he took food away from the poeple who grew it and sold it, gave it away, and in the process, causes 30 million people to starve who woundn't have starved if he didn't do that.

That isn't incompetence, that's at least criminal negligance or even outright murder.

Saying "Mao was not a very bad man" is just stupid.

His regime killed at least 10 million dissidents, imprisoned millions more, destroyed civil liberties and turned China into a police state.

He was a horrible man and even not counting the 30 million is still one of the 5 worst murders in history.

How did Western industrialization take millions of lives? I think you're talking out your ass.


30 million westerners were not killed by capitalists in the 1800's. Baseless accusations.

You are making shit up and I'm calling your stupid ass out.

Can you prove that 30 million Chinese would have died if capitalism were instituted or are you arguing from ignorance?

I'll stop my sermonizing when you stop being assclown revisionist appologists who would sooner deny millions of deaths than admit they were wrong and that their masculinity was in danger.
You want numbers. I'll give you numbers:

Last year:
20 million people died because of diseases which could have easily be prevented
250,000 or more who were killed by the tsunami, a number which could have been a lot less if they're would have been investments in decent warning systems, which the rich countries have but the poor countries don't
100,000 Iraqi people have been killed since the start of the imperialist war in Iraq, 100,000 more have been injured or killed
Millions more have been the victims of food and water shortages or joined the flood of refugees driven from their homes and cities

You want to talk to me about misery and suffering. Read this first and realize what capitalism is doing. Then come back and pinpoint me the deaths caused by people who didn't even stand for true socialism.

Don't spread your false propaganda here....

[Questionauthority]

Do you accept anarcho-capitalists? I'm not one, but I could change.
Fool, that is an oxymoron. Capitalism means there must be private property bosses who exploit people. That is not what anarchists believe at all. Go and learn some basics before attempting to be witty.

[Independants]

He, maybe Bush doesn't know that his soldiers torture Iraqi's.

Yeah, and the Iraqi's cut people's heads off, film it, and then distribute it to the media. :angry:

Just a point.. ;)

[t_wolves_fan]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2005, 11:35 PM

You have 11 posts here, get over yourself.

yea... and i belong here, as im a commie/anarchist... you on the other hand are a self-righteous right-wing nut... so what the hell are you doing here?
How do communism and anarchism possibly go together?

[Independants]

Mao was an evil man. Violence only leads to more violence. Which doesn't lead to peace or equality at all.

He isn't "alright" by any stretch of a sane mind.

[t_wolves_fan]

Originally posted by RedComrade+Feb 1 2005, 12:56 AM--> (RedComrade @ Feb 1 2005, 12:56 AM)
[email protected] 31 2005, 05:25 PM


Mao's largest crime is the Great Leap Forward, a bungled attempt to restructure the economy of China which created a famine that killed some 30M. If we confine our indictment to deliberate killings, we get this:
Mao 10M

It's a lot but far off from Hitler and lower than Stalin.

Just to prove you wrong because I can.

You count mass famines as well because those deaths were caused by his actions.

If I locked you in a cage and didn't feed you, I would be responsible for your death wouldn't I?

It doesn't matter HOW he killed 30 million people, merely that he did it.

Starvation is quite the effective means of mass murder, it's cheap, it let's you use the food elsewhere, and later-day revisionist symps will ignore them and glorify your name.
Obviously if one could prove Mao intentionally induced a famine that directly caused the death of millions of his countrymen he would indeed be a very bad man. Mao was not a very bad man. At worst he was just incompetent. The difference between Mao's 30 million dead and the millions of people who have died in capitalist countries due to famine in the last century is that Mao's peasants lived under communism, that's the only difference. Communist nations are still subject to negative factors such as drought, civil unrest, disease etc. I think if one were to objectively study the policies of Mao's government (great leap forward etc.) one will find that they are an attempt at modernisation more than anything else. Before the revolution China was still a feudal society. Mao, in the tradition of the French Revolution, Imperial Britain, and 19th century America represented the brutal forces of transition into a modern industrial economy. All industrialisation, whether in capitalist countries, or communist ones came at the cost of millions of human lives. For every Chinese citizen who died from famine you have an equal number of native americans or occupied people in european colonies who died at the hands of first world capitalist countries in the 1800's while those nations were ruthlessly conquering the world in search for the raw materials to modernise their new economies. Modernation, not communism nor capitalism- is responsible for this tragic loss of life. So it goes... The same number of people proportionately would have died if China had undergone the capitalist mode of development witnessed by the europeans earlier. Same end different means, stop your sermonizing; it's all hypocrisy. [/b]
Your powers of justification are impressive.

If both systems kill people and are oppressive, why is communism better?

[Questionauthority]

How do communism and anarchism possibly go together?
*sighs* Well if you pause to think about it, the end results is essentially hte same. To do with mutual aid and etc. Where they differ is how to get there, some communists notably the trots and lenisists believe that you have to let them lead you there cos they know all about marx and stuff. Great for them. Anarchists however aren't usually in for the whole "taking people via control" idea. Instead of just switching who rules, though of course the next ruling class is meant to give it up, anarchists generally believe this shouldnt have to happen. The ruling class will be overthrown and then not replaced... can seem quite confusing yes but essentially we want the same thing....

[Sirion]

The results are very similiar. The method, on the other hand, is vastly different.

[Publius]

The only place I've heard that Western Imperialism killed "millions" is from communists.

Yeah, Mao was a great guy, he was just mistaken.

I don't deny there many deaths caused by Western Imperialism but the age of imperialism is over and people want it to stay that way. You want to reopen communism.

You shooting for another 100 million this century?


So we're exploiting the third world? I beg to differ. We are helping them.


I'm not an objectivist. You are a revisionist because you REVISE history to fit your ends.

[Publius]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2005, 08:17 PM
The only place I've heard that Western Imperialism killed "millions" is from communists.

Yeah, Mao was a great guy, he was just mistaken.

I don't deny there many deaths caused by Western Imperialism but the age of imperialism is over and people want it to stay that way. You want to reopen communism.

You shooting for another 100 million this century?


So we're exploiting the third world? I beg to differ. We are helping them.


I'm not an objectivist. You are a revisionist because you REVISE history to fit your ends.
From an actual source:

http://www.time.com/time/time100/leaders/profile/mao2.html

In February 1957, Mao drew his thoughts on China together in the form of a rambling speech on "The Correct Handling of Contradictions Among the People." Mao's notes for the speech reveal the curious mixture of jocularity and cruelty, of utopian visions and blinkered perceptions, that lay at the heart of his character. Mao admitted that 15% or more of the Chinese people were hungry and that some critics felt a "disgust" with Marxism. He spoke too of the hundreds of thousands who had died in the revolution so far, but firmly rebutted figures — quoted in Hong Kong newspapers — that 20 million had perished. "How could we possibly kill 20 million people?" he asked. It is now established that at least that number died in China during the famine that followed the Great Leap between 1959 and 1961. In the Cultural Revolution that followed only five years later, Mao used the army and the student population against his opponents. Once again millions suffered or perished as Mao combined the ruthlessness of Shang Yang with the absolute confidence of the long-distance swimmer.

[Publius]

I'm a very funny comedian.

You just don't get most of it.



So basically, he caused 30 million people to starve? That's what I thought.



I don't like to talk about Rand. She makes me cry.

[Publius]

20 million people died because of diseases which could have easily be prevented

How can anyone positively say what could be prevented?

Obviously, every single death could be prevented or at least delayed.

Saying someone died because they didn't have the correct medicine is fine, but than saying that your ideology could have prevented it is a leap in logic.

Pinko, say hello to Non Sequitir.



250,000 or more who were killed by the tsunami, a number which could have been a lot less if they're would have been investments in decent warning systems, which the rich countries have but the poor countries don't

I agree. It sucks.

But do you really think you can propose a solution?




100,000 Iraqi people have been killed since the start of the imperialist war in Iraq, 100,000 more have been injured or killed

AAAANNGGGTTTHHHH!!!!!

Wrong.

Those numbers are made up.


Millions more have been the victims of food and water shortages or joined the flood of refugees driven from their homes and cities

So communism would prevent floods as well?

Prevent water shortages?

Prevent refugees? I've found communism adept at CREATING them.



I like the summary there.

It was great.

It managed to indict me, defend you and seperate you from the crimes of these murderers.

The problem is, you're wrong. Communism has been the greatest murderer of the 20th century.

[RevolutionarySocialist MadRedDog]

20 million people died because of diseases which could have easily be prevented

How can anyone positively say what could be prevented?

Obviously, every single death could be prevented or at least delayed.

Saying someone died because they didn't have the correct medicine is fine, but than saying that your ideology could have prevented it is a leap in logic.

If you want to know how anyone can positively what could be prevented, read this: Social Watch 2004 report (http://www.socialwatch.org/en/informeImpreso/pdfs/obstacles2004_eng.pdf)!

I'm certain my ideology would have prevented it, because it would have sure that everyone's needs for survival and a decent life without suffering and with the amount of means which a person reasonably needs.




250,000 or more who were killed by the tsunami, a number which could have been a lot less if they're would have been investments in decent warning systems, which the rich countries have but the poor countries don't

I agree. It sucks.

But do you really think you can propose a solution?

Yes I can, inequality such as exists now will be a thing of the past in a worldwide socialist/communist society.





100,000 Iraqi people have been killed since the start of the imperialist war in Iraq, 100,000 more have been injured or killed

AAAANNGGGTTTHHHH!!!!!

Wrong.

Those numbers are made up.

And how do you figure that?



Millions more have been the victims of food and water shortages or joined the flood of refugees driven from their homes and cities

So communism would prevent floods as well?

Prevent water shortages?

Prevent refugees? I've found communism adept at CREATING them.

Yeah we would prevent floods of refugees, because seeking refuge wouldn't be necessary in a world where everyone is treated equally and there are no differences in wealth. There wouldn't be wars because most (if not all) wars in history were basically about influence, land, money or supplies.

A world wide socialist/communist society without boundaries, with equally divided wealth (from each according to his/her competence, to each according to his/her needs), thus also with enough food water for all, provides a solution for a problems caused by capitalism.



I like the summary there.

It was great.

It managed to indict me, defend you and seperate you from the crimes of these murderers.

The problem is, you're wrong. Communism has been the greatest murderer of the 20th century.

Besides the fact that there has never been true socialisme (let alone communism), this isn't true!

Do the math (estimate): 30 million x 100 = oops :blink: 3 000 000 000 died from diseases :blink: oops... (divide it by 2 if you wish, would still be more than deaths caused by what you call 'communism').

Let alone the deads that fell in this modern age of imperialism in the Vietnam War, the Cold War, the first Gulf War etc and the deads caused by early imperialism (age of kolonisation).

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2005, 08:17 PM
You want to reopen communism.

You shooting for another 100 million this century?


I don't want to reopen communism, it never was, and is yet to be.

As for the killing? I don't plan on killing anyone. It wouldn't be very anarchistic of me to do so.

[Xvall]

It doesn't matter HOW he killed 30 million people, merely that he did it.

That still doesn't make him the biggest killer in history, assuming that all of your statistics are correct. Hitler killed 12,000,000 or so nondesirable, and started a war that resulted in the deaths of over 40,000,000 people.

52,000,000 > 30,000,000