Hello

[America]

I voted for President Bush for several reasons, )though I felt his not firing Sec. of Defense Rumsflield was a great mistake) and overall I'm not disappointed. But because Mr. Guevera stood for using force to achieve a goal rather than democraic practices, I presume those on the left who believe the Presiedent is anti-democractic (I am not one of them), they like Mr. Guevara would find in the president a kindred spirit.

Because so many here have always viewed America as an aggresive power, President Bush has simply "removed the mask" that you all believe America hides behind. So what's your problem? If America is no different today than 8 years ago during President Clinton's tenure (I voted for him twice) than what do you care?!? What would Mr. Guevara care?

The only problem with my title statement is that Mr. Guevara did not believe in democracy or freedom of choice.

On a final note, the Superbowl will see the overs being achieved at over 48 points.

Banshee

[RedLenin]

Hi. By the way, that fascist in office is the worst president, and third worst human being, ever. You are not a leftist if you voted for Bush. Go to the opposing ideologies forum righty. :angry:

[October Revolution]

his name was Ernesto btw.

Che would have used other means apart from a violent revolution if there was any other way to bring around regime change in the corrupt imperial america dominated countries such as Bolivia. But there wasn't so he had to use force.
Even though Che may not have believed in democarcy and even seen it as dangerous he did believe in freedom of choice. What evidence do you have that his didn't?

Also you seem to be presuming that democracy is the right way to govern a state but it may not be. It doesn't go without it's faults, excessive corruption being one of the larger.

[America]

October,

While I probably agree with some of your views and disagree with the majority of them, you reason well. Thank you for the well worded response.
The problem with your notion that democracy is not always the best policy has the built in problem that it would be replaced by someone totally against your point of view. Imagine if Jerry Falwell became dictator. Take care, Banshee

Cobra90x

You're an idiot. You don't know anything about the United States. Our President cannot be a facist. The Supreme Court has struck down some of the provisions of the Patriot Act and his incarseration of prisoners in Cuba. The Supreme Court overturns presidental acts all the time, and our presidents don't call out the army. Though there are (and probably never were) WMDs, Congress continues to VOTE for authorizations (that means money, Cobra90x) to support the Iraq campaign. If the 108th Congress wanted to, it could stop the authorizations. Wake up, man!


Banshee

[Paradox]

The Che remark was stupid because Che would not support imperialism. That aside, bush may not be fascist, but there are still signs of the repressiveness of this administration. Even if the SC has struck down parts of the Patriot Act, the fact that some of these provisions were even thought up is disturbing, Especially from the Patriot Act II, or Domestic Security Enhancement Act as it was known as, before it was disassembled and added to other legislation. I mean what the hell does holding back information about the health and environmental effects of chemicals used in factories and plants have to do with fighting terror!?! And dissent is heavily monitored. Student groups against war, racism, etc., are being labeled as "potential terrorist threats." And the idea that you could be stripped of citizenship and subject to deportation because you supported the LEGAL activities of an organization that the government deems to be "terrorist," is just stupid. If that were to happen, I could be deported for sending medical supplies to the Zapatistas in Mexico, because the feds here call them "terrorists." And let's not forget that the u$ supplied saddam with the chemical weapons he used against Iran and his own people. And let's not forget that bin laden was trained by the CIA, along with some 30,000 other Islamic fundamentalists to fight the Soviets. And what about the fumigation of the Colombian countryside? You may say that it is to destroy coca crops, but what about all the food crops and water supplies which are contaminated by these chemicals? And what about bush using the "war on drugs" to gain access to oil reserves in Colombia? And all the people who are killed, mostly by the right-wing death squads, while bush continues to point the finger at leftist guerrillas? Is this why you voted for bush? And think of all the money wasted on fancy campaigns and dinners, and the inauguration, money which could have been used on much more useful things, to help the people by whom's labor such wealth is produced. I think you might want to consider such things before proudly stating "I voted for bush." ;)

[RedLenin]

Yeah sorry man. Maybey I was a bit harsh. It's just that I am REALLY angry today and when I read "I voted for President Bush", I just lost it. True Bush doesn't have ultimate authority, but few can deny that he is a horrible human being. Any way welcome. :)

[America]

Paradox and Cobra90x,

Paradox,

A well reasoned reply to my comments. I did not "proudly" vote for President Bush. I did not proudly vote for President Clinton. I would proudly vote for a McCain-Powell Ticket, and I'm a registered Democrat. (Not that that means much, most of us don't take our party identification too seriously.)

Many of the comments you made about the CIA's CO-INTEL-PRO days are well founded and justified, and I agree with you about them. But President Bush v. Senator Kerry has little to do about that.

You wrote your reply in the sense that you are an alien, and because you mentioned deportation it will be presumed you are a legal resident. If this is so, you know there are different rules for your conduct versus mine. As there should be. If you are a guest here, then it is not in my interest that you exercise the same political decisions as myself. (As when I am an alien in France or Germany, my conduct should not be that of a French or German citizen.) If the U.S. government would not want you to send medical aid to place X, then obey that authority, or become a citizen and fight to change the policy.

Perhaps because of your name, you live in the United States and dislike its policies. (That's a little joke.)

But, whatever overall dislike you have toward American foreign policy, a Kerry-Edwards ticket would change very little of it (compared to, let's say, Al Sharpton or Dennis Kucinich, and maybe Howard Dean). So my vote for President Bush does not desreve some anger by the political left.

Cobra 90x,

Thank you for your kinder approach. I stand by what I wrote earler. This board deals with the serious political left. My voting for President Bush should not mean a thing to you. The radical left is just as against Sen. Ted Kennedy as it is Gen. Alexander Haig.

But this human being thing I cannot discuss with you. I don't know the man personally, and I would guess you as well. But if that's how you feel, I understand.


Take care,

America

[Zingu]

Congratulations, your vote helped an imperialist, reactionary "president" back into power!

Che Guevera would the exact oppisite of Bush (almost). He was a man of the proletariat, not the lapdog of the corporations. He didn't sit in his cozy office as people fought and died; he fought with his own comrades. He did not make up lies to further selfish needs; to satisfy an imperialist agenda. He was not a devout Christain by any means, he was a Godless Communist; who instead of fooling the masses with "god", urged them to overthrow the type of class Bush is; the burgeoise.


Its sad how Che&#39;s image has been so perverted by all these "Che" shirts and merchendise..... <_<



Perhaps because of your name, you live in the United States and dislike its policies. (That&#39;s a little joke.)

Its not a joke; America is the most imperialist nation on the face of the earth; its web of Imperialism, forged by unjust war; behind the scenes actions such as coups and corporate buy outs. I guess you could say we "dislike" the policies.

[Zingu]

If America is no different today than 8 years ago during President Clinton&#39;s tenure (I voted for him twice) than what do you care?&#33;? What would Mr. Guevara care?

Clinton was an asshole; an other lapdog to capitalist interests. But Bush, Bush is a reactionary; not just conservative.

Why would Ernesto care?


Our every action is a battle cry against imperialism, and a battle hymn for the people&#39;s unity against the great enemy of mankind: the United States of America. Wherever death may surprise us, let it be welcome, provided that this, our battle cry, may have reached some receptive ear, that another hand may be extended to wield our weapons, and that other men be ready to intone our funeral dirge with the staccato singing of the machine guns and new battle cries of war and victory.
- Ernesto Che Guevara

[Karl]

You&#39;re an idiot. You don&#39;t know anything about the United States. Our President cannot be a facist. The Supreme Court has struck down some of the provisions of the Patriot Act and his incarseration of prisoners in Cuba. The Supreme Court overturns presidental acts all the time, and our presidents don&#39;t call out the army. Though there are (and probably never were) WMDs, Congress continues to VOTE for authorizations (that means money, Cobra90x) to support the Iraq campaign. If the 108th Congress wanted to, it could stop the authorizations. Wake up, man&#33;
Our congress also votes on their own pay.... you think their going to fail that one?
Also, when interviewed, sevral congressmen admitted that they didnt even read what was passed in the past couple days. when asked why, they replied with a statement about being too busy to read each and every one... and eh, if you havent noticed the imperialist policies our dictator pretty much adheres to by the definition then you shouldnt be allowed to vote.
About ernesto, he didnt believe in force to achieve each and every little goal.
so if you support imperialism, Militarism, capitalism and manipulation then yes vote for him. f
funny how one govornment labels resistance fighters "terrorists"

[America]

Get a grip Karl:

No one said anything about who is a freedom fighter and who is a terrorist.

If members of the 107th Congress didn&#39;t read the Patriot Act before voting on it that&#39;s there business. The origins of the act are unimportant in my argument:

A MEMBER OF THE HOUSE HAD TO INTRODUCE IT TO THE H OF R; A MEMBER OF THE SENATE HAD TO INTRODUCE IT TO THE SENATE. THAT IS NOT FACISIM OR DICTATORSHIP. A MAJORITY OF BOTH HOUSES HAD TO PASS IT. IF THEY HADN&#39;T, THERE&#39;S NOTHING THE PRESIDENT, ANY PRESIDENT, COULD DO ABOUT IT.

Consider when President F. D. Roosevelt asked Congress to add members of the Supreme Court to the bench so he could "pack the Court". They rejected this. None of them were assassinated. Same w/ President Bush. If the 108th Congress wanted to, it could vote to not even introduce the proposed &#036;80 BIL. for Iraq later this year. But if they vote for it, they vote for it.

Just today the S.C. ruled that Gitmo prisoners could petition their release in Federal Court. Another "loss" for the Administration.

What idiots you are. You want facism, try Stalin, Hilter, nearly every African nation, Cuba, and Ernesto, had he had his way.

But America, forgetaboutit. You don&#39;t know jack. You and Zingu are just angry, for some weird reason, that what we do here is real, and matters, and has authroity. Time to look within yourselves to solves your problems.

America

[Paradox]

You wrote your reply in the sense that you are an alien, and because you mentioned deportation it will be presumed you are a legal resident. If this is so, you know there are different rules for your conduct versus mine. As there should be.

Actually, I was born here. The provision of the Patriot Act II applies to any u&#036; citizen. If a citizen was to support an organization that the government deems to be "terrorist," even the legal activities of that organization, then they could be stripped of there citizenship, and subject to deportation. Also, Patriot II would allow the Sec of State to designate any organization as "terrorist" without judicial oversight. And so this being the case, I, being a supporter of the EZLN, could hypothetically, be stripped of my citizenship, and then I could be deported. It&#39;s a nice way of getting rid of people who are opposed to your administration and its policies, or more accurately, the capitalist system in my case. ;)


But, whatever overall dislike you have toward American foreign policy, a Kerry-Edwards ticket would change very little of it (compared to, let&#39;s say, Al Sharpton or Dennis Kucinich, and maybe Howard Dean). So my vote for President Bush does not desreve some anger by the political left.

Exactly why I did not vote. Democrats and Republicans may differ how to do certain things, but they&#39;re still both capitalist. I agree that Kerry is hardly any different, and this is why. He may have presented a more "caring," and "concerned" attitude, but he would have been no big improvement, if at all. He supports Israel, he&#39;s spoken out against Iran, he voted to go to war in Iraq, then said the war on terror was bin laden, not Iraq. I care for neither one of them. And to be more indepth, yes we are against amerika. But we are against its system, which is also the global system- capitalism. We are not against the people because the people have been brainwashed. And though amerika is a big part of the struggle, it is still only a part of it. There are other nations which are imperialistic, and they must be dealt with as well. To sum up, its not the people of amerika themselves who we are fighting, its the capitalist system, and the government that works to keep it in place. People said slavery would not end and it did (sort of. now it&#39;s wage slavery). Monarchs dismissed the idea that republics or democracy would ever come to be, but they did (again, sort of). Capitalism will be replaced, it&#39;s just a matter of time.

[Paradox]

If this is so, you know there are different rules for your conduct versus mine. As there should be. If you are a guest here, then it is not in my interest that you exercise the same political decisions as myself.

If you&#39;re a nationalistic person, then yes, you would think so. But as leftists, we do not dwell on such ideas, as they are divisive. We are internationalists. All the people of the world must work together to bring about a new society; one in which goods are not produced for profit, but for the needs of the people. Nationalism is an obstacle to this. If you&#39;re going to wave your flag and have pride, saying that your country is "the best," then you end up looking down on other nations and competing with them, rather than working together. All the people around the world from whom&#39;s labor wealth is produced must unite together. You might say this sounds unrealistic, but I don&#39;t think so. It will just take some time. ;)

[America]

1. The USSC has already ruled that even naturalized citizens can never ever lose their U.S. Citizenship. To where would they deport you or I? If you engage in a criminal act, you go to prison. Timothy McVeigh (sp?) under the Patriot Act, I II or III would not get deported anywhere, though he was a terrorist. He&#39;s simply a criminal. Sorry pal, but you&#39;re stuck here. If you try to send &#036;&#036; or medicine to the People&#39;s Army of Mexico, Bolivia, or Santa Monica, California, and it&#39;s a felony, you go to prison. There&#39;s no where to deport you to.

Please send to me the language of the P.A. II that "deports" you or I. The action could only occur to a non-U.S. Citizen. Why would they deport me or you for a criminal act, seems kinda dumb. They&#39;d want to BBQ our ass, not let us emegrate to gay Parie.

2. So we&#39;re brainwashed and don&#39;t know how bad we&#39;re treated by the multi-naitonal corporations. Whatever dude, heard it all before. And yet millions of people throughout the world try to get here, some at the risk of their own lives. I can&#39;t remember the last time someone in Florida or Georgia got on a rubber dingy and tried to make it to Cuba at risk to life and limb. In the past 5 years, over 100,000 Africans became U.S. Citizens. Why? What would motivate them?

3. Similar to 2 in a way: According to internationalists like yourselves, the U.S. is the least informed when it comes to world opinion. Give me a nation that knows the truth about the state of the world and how bad the U.S. is, (according to internationalists like yourselves there are many) and lets see how many had people immigrate to the U.S. I have traveled the world, and if I have a pride in being an American it comes from our being the only nation that when the airplane lands on our soil, the entire cabin bursts into applause. Why? It didn&#39;t happen when I went to France, or Spain, or Germany, or the PRC, or Japan, or Portugal, or Morrocco.

4. Find my question I&#39;ve asked the Politics and Theory forums and answer it. You&#39;re very well informed. No one has taken it on yet.

Thanks for your well defended points of view.

America

Also, Lisa wants to know how old you are and what state you live in.

[Paradox]

Please send to me the language of the P.A. II that "deports" you or I.

It&#39;s Section 501:


Stripping even native-born Americans of all of the rights of United States citizenship if they provide support to unpopular organizations labeled as terrorist by our government, even if they support only the lawful activities of such organizations, allowing them to be indefinitely imprisoned in their own country as undocumented aliens. (Section 501)

http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/SafeandFre...?ID=11835&c=206 (http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/SafeandFree.cfm?ID=11835&c=206)


SECTION 501 (Expatriation of Terrorists) expands the
Bush administration&#39;?s enemy combatant definition to
all American citizens who may have violated any
provision of Section 802 of the first Patriot Act.
(Section 802 is the new definition of domestic
terrorism, and the definition is any action that
endangers human life that is a violation of any
Federal or State law. ) Section 501 of the second
Patriot Act directly connects to Section 125 of the
same act. The Justice Department boldly claims that
the incredibly broad Section 802 of the First USA
Patriot Act isn?t broad enough and that a new,
unlimited definition of terrorism is needed.

Under Section 501 a US citizen engaging in lawful
activities can be grabbed off the street and thrown
into a van never to be seen again. The Justice
Department states that they can do this because the
person had inferred from conduct that they were not a
US citizen. Remember Section 802 of the First USA
Patriot Act states that any violation of Federal or
State law can result in the enemy combatant terrorist
designation.

http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/patrio...powers_bush.htm (http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/patriot2_hitler_powers_bush.htm)

;)

[Paradox]

And yet millions of people throughout the world try to get here, some at the risk of their own lives.

That&#39;s a bit more of a complicated issue, don&#39;t you agree? I mean the u&#036; and other imperialist nations sponsered dictatorships all around the world, which many people tried to escape. Pinochet in Chile, Batista in Cuba, Somoza in Nicaragua, Trujillo, they gave weapons to Saddam, they supported the Shah, they are allies with Saudi Arabia, they support Fox in Mexico who is against the Zapatistas, they supplied the Mexican military with weapons and training to fight them. And let&#39;s not forget about the trade embargo when talking about Cuba. The majority of people leaving Cuba are leaving for economic reasons, not political ones. The majority of people in Cuba still support Castro. And think of all the actions taken against Cuba, the u&#036; funds and supports groups in Cuba to oppose the government while they hypocritically abuse and torture prisoners right there in Guantanamo. I&#39;m a bit busy right now, but when I get some more time, I&#39;ll try to find you some more info. Me, well informed? Thanks. I try to be. But I&#39;m no expert, and I&#39;m still learning, as we all are. I&#39;m 19 though, to answer your question, and I&#39;m in Texas, though I&#39;m from CalifAztlan. ;)

[EneME]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2005, 07:38 PM
I voted for President Bush for several reasons, )though I felt his not firing Sec. of Defense Rumsflield was a great mistake) and overall I&#39;m not disappointed. But because Mr. Guevera stood for using force to achieve a goal rather than democraic practices, I presume those on the left who believe the Presiedent is anti-democractic (I am not one of them), they like Mr. Guevara would find in the president a kindred spirit.

Because so many here have always viewed America as an aggresive power, President Bush has simply "removed the mask" that you all believe America hides behind. So what&#39;s your problem? If America is no different today than 8 years ago during President Clinton&#39;s tenure (I voted for him twice) than what do you care?&#33;? What would Mr. Guevara care?

The only problem with my title statement is that Mr. Guevara did not believe in democracy or freedom of choice.

On a final note, the Superbowl will see the overs being achieved at over 48 points.

Banshee
First of all...you DO understand that on this forum, if you are a capitalist, you will be restricted to one forum right? Enjoy your time in the Opposing Ideologies forum by the way....

Anyway...you are really misinformed about who Che was. First of all, why would you assume that the war in Iraq is a "democratic" mean to achieving a goal? Second of all, why would you assume that Che and Bu&#036;h have/had the same goal in mind? Ernesto wanted to free the proletariat from the oppressors, who are the people that Bu&#036;h SUPPORTS and PROTECTS. They completely OPPOSE eachother, one wants the power be directed towards the working class, while Bu&#036;h wants the power to remain in the hands of those who exploit.

I didn&#39;t know that this forum was called "BUSHSUCKS.COM"? Hm....again...you are misinformed. Most of us on this forum believe in ANTICAPITALISM... ANTI-IMPERIALISM...in other words ANTIDEMOCRATS and ANTIREPUBLICANS. Most here did NOT agree with Clinton, maybe not as much as we disagree with Bu&#036;h, but we know that they are both politicians or puppets of this imperialist system we live under.

I&#39;m sorry to burst your bubble, but Mr. Bu&#036;h doesn&#39;t believe in democracy or freedom of choice. Why don&#39;t you look up the history of U&#036; Foreign Policy, and then try to believe that Bu&#036;h (or any politician) believes in democracy and freedom of choice...

[STI]

And yet millions of people throughout the world try to get here, some at the risk of their own lives.

That&#39;s so stupid.

America, like Canada, France, Germany, etc. is a rich country. People come from poor countries (even Cuba) to rich countries all the time. It&#39;s not because "America is teh pwn lol&#33;".

[Zingu]

2. So we&#39;re brainwashed and don&#39;t know how bad we&#39;re treated by the multi-naitonal corporations. Whatever dude, heard it all before. And yet millions of people throughout the world try to get here, some at the risk of their own lives. I can&#39;t remember the last time someone in Florida or Georgia got on a rubber dingy and tried to make it to Cuba at risk to life and limb. In the past 5 years, over 100,000 Africans became U.S. Citizens. Why? What would motivate them?


Maybe not a American citizens, but American Imperialism screws over millions. The explination is here: Labor Aristrocracy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_aristocracy)

Read this and learn something.


You don&#39;t know jack. You and Zingu are just angry, for some weird reason, that what we do here is real, and matters, and has authroity. Time to look within yourselves to solves your problems.


I have a reason to be "angry". Its because I know some things the American bullshit media doesn&#39;t tell. Such as the American backed coup in Venezuela in attempts to overthrow a democractically elected government that was improving the lives of the people through nationalizing the oil industry, instead of profiting a few rich fat cats in the US, the money was going to improve the lives of millions; not just a select few.
In reality, "Democracy" is America&#39;s second priorty. The first is profit; Iraq and Venezuela are only two examples to prove that.

Also I have a right to be angry for the millions of Native Americans who were massacured and/or driven off their land by American Imperialists. America has been responsible for hundreds of illegal and apalling actions in the sole search of profit and keeping its Imperialist web imposed on the world.

Try reading the book "Killing Hope: CIA and American Actions around the World"


EDIT- Yeah, I&#39;m an American myself, I&#39;m quite a unpatriotic bastard, aren&#39;t I?

[Rockfan]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2005, 07:38 PM
I voted for President Bush for several reasons, )though I felt his not firing Sec. of Defense Rumsflield was a great mistake) and overall I&#39;m not disappointed. But because Mr. Guevera stood for using force to achieve a goal rather than democraic practices, I presume those on the left who believe the Presiedent is anti-democractic (I am not one of them), they like Mr. Guevara would find in the president a kindred spirit.

Because so many here have always viewed America as an aggresive power, President Bush has simply "removed the mask" that you all believe America hides behind. So what&#39;s your problem? If America is no different today than 8 years ago during President Clinton&#39;s tenure (I voted for him twice) than what do you care?&#33;? What would Mr. Guevara care?

The only problem with my title statement is that Mr. Guevara did not believe in democracy or freedom of choice.

On a final note, the Superbowl will see the overs being achieved at over 48 points.

Banshee
Mr. Guevara :huh: Sounds like you have a carrot up your ass due, it&#39;s che man, che. BTW your fucked up.

[Paradox]

Section 501: Expatriation of Terrorists.
Under 8 U.S.C. § 1481, an American can lose his citizenship by voluntarily, and with the intent to relinquish nationality, taking any of a number of actions, including: (1) obtaining Nationality in a foreign state; (2) taking an oath of allegiance to a foreign state; and, most importantly, (3) serving in the armed forces of a foreign state that are engaged in hostilities against the United States. The current expatriation statute does not, however, provide for the relinquishing of citizenship in cases where an American serves in a hostile foreign terrorist organization. It thus fails to take account of the myriad ways in which, in the modern world, war can be waged against the United States.

This provision would amend 8 U.S.C. § 1481 to make clear that, just as an American can relinquish his citizenship by serving in a hostile foreign army, so can he relinquish his citizenship by serving in a hostile terrorist organization. Specifically, an American could be expatriated if, with the intent to relinquish nationality, he becomes a member of, or provides material support to, a group that the United States has designated as a "terrorist organization," if that group is engaged in hostilities against the United States.

[Paradox]

Positive view of Cuba:

http://cubasolidarity.com/

Leftist critique of Cuba:

http://worldsocialism.com/wsm-pages/cuba.html

[Raisa]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2005, 07:38 PM
I voted for President Bush for several reasons, )though I felt his not firing Sec. of Defense Rumsflield was a great mistake) and overall I&#39;m not disappointed. But because Mr. Guevera stood for using force to achieve a goal rather than democraic practices, I presume those on the left who believe the Presiedent is anti-democractic (I am not one of them), they like Mr. Guevara would find in the president a kindred spirit.

Because so many here have always viewed America as an aggresive power, President Bush has simply "removed the mask" that you all believe America hides behind. So what&#39;s your problem? If America is no different today than 8 years ago during President Clinton&#39;s tenure (I voted for him twice) than what do you care?&#33;? What would Mr. Guevara care?



On a final note, the Superbowl will see the overs being achieved at over 48 points.

Banshee
I dont know what you are talking about. It is good to be theoretical and think outside the box, but I am thinking you missed the fact that Che Guevara was against US imperialism&#33;

He wouldnt support George Bush.

[October Revolution]

Yes exactly do you know much about Che and the Left?

Actually theres been loads of new right wing people signing up who don&#39;t know anything and wn&#39;t listnen i say send them all to opposing ideoloigies. :ph34r:

[TrenzTheLeader]

though El Che Guevara did believe in the use of force as means to revolt (as opposed to reform) his views on imperialism would have him as Bush&#39;s opposition. the idiotic money monger that is Bush could never be placed in the same stage as the great che.

[ViveLaRevolutionAndSHP]

voting is antirevolutionary comrade

Hasta La Victoria Siempre&#33;

[Ell Carino]

Che would have killed Bush if he had the chance you fool. Bush is a fascist&#33; And a murderer. He can shove the fuckin bible up his ass for all i care, he sold his soul to the corporations that own him and tell him what to do. Kerry would have been the same&#33; Any fuckin Predident has corporate interests on their agenda before anything humane&#33; The President dont even run the fuckin country&#33; Dick Cheney prolly has more control than that stupid fucka. Anyone who supports Bush is either ignorant, selfish or compleltely brain-washed of all sense.

Fuck all this phony patriotism&#33; People are fighting for a flag that represents oppression and corruption&#33;

Congress, The Supreme Court, The Media (Fox News, CNN etc) all back criminal, genocidal Imperialism&#33; So dont talk about that America aint a Totalitarian country, cuz the fuckin rich people run USA&#33;&#33;