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Toothlessjoe

31st January 2005, 14:17

Toothlessjoe

31st January 2005, 17:16

Thanks to all those who looked and chose not to post . :angry:

T_SP

31st January 2005, 18:10

Sorry, i realise that this would have been asked before most likely.

What happens to the likes of Bill Gates in a newly established(just been elected) socialist and communist countrys? What happens to all their money?

Surely in these types of government such a level of riches shouldn't be possible?

I'm not some anti communist or anything, i am however, still learning about the subject. I don't seek an arguement with everyone, i just seek information.

*Awaits flames*

There wealth would be shared out amongst the many, after all it is their workers who have earnt them there money is it not right that there money should be shared out amongst society?
Also who cares about these explotitive Capitalist bosses, they should feel lucky they aren't gonna be hung, drawn and cautered for there Capitalist crimes! :D

NovelGentry

31st January 2005, 19:32

I will personally slaughter them and their entire family from generation to generation, and stretching by two degrees through marriage. They will be stripped of their belongings, including the clothes off their back, then skinned and set on fire.

Abstrakt

31st January 2005, 20:53

I really hope you were being facetious:(

NovelGentry

31st January 2005, 20:55

Got a thing for Billy Gates do ya?

Abstrakt

31st January 2005, 20:58

No, I don't have a "think" for Billy Gates, but I don't believe in slaughtering someone who started from the ground up. Or, atleast, not to kill his family, people who married into the family, etc.

NovelGentry

31st January 2005, 21:35

Think == Thing. Lack of humor is a disease.

Non-Sectarian Bastard!

31st January 2005, 22:03

On a more serious note. Money would be abolished instantenously, such would the state. The owners of the means of production would be shot. Their overluxery houses would be demolished.

Raisa

31st January 2005, 22:36

No one would necisarily be shot.

Their money will be distributed to the people in the form of social programs first.
Luxurious homes would be used for other things or to house more people who wanted to live in them.

Guest1

1st February 2005, 01:34

If Bill Gates turns around and says "I will help you workers build a collective society", great. If he says "I might not like it, and I will always speak out against it, but I'll work like everyone else", good too. If, however, he decides to take up arms against the revolution, he will die.

Simple as that.

Raisa

1st February 2005, 02:09

Exactly, and there you go people.

STI

1st February 2005, 02:10

What happens to the likes of Bill Gates in a newly established(just been elected) socialist and communist countrys? What happens to all their money?

Well, I don't think "electing" anybody will make a lick of difference, but that's another issue altogether.

Bill Gates and the sort will never allow their wealth (and their rulership over the working class) to be seized without a life-or-death struggle to defend it. Not all of the old ruling class will fight back, though. Some will high-tail it to some other region. Others will just commit suicide. There may be some who "submit" and just "go with it", though their numbers will likely be very low.

If he says "I might not like it, and I will always speak out against it, but I'll work like everyone else", good too.

Not good. He doesn't have to "like it", but he can keep his friggin' mouth shut about it, as far as I'm concerned. No free speech for reactionaries after the revolution. If he wants to stand on a street corner and talk about how much better "the old days" were, he should expect a kick in the nuts (at best!).

Guest1

1st February 2005, 03:25

It's one thing for him to use the resources of the community to pass out pamphlets against that very community, or harrassing the community on a street corner, and quite another for him to speak about it with friends, family, get into the conversation with a few people over some beer, etc...

I didn't mean that he would be allowed to waste our resources to advocate slavery.

redstar2000

1st February 2005, 16:04

Since you mentioned Bill Gates, let's muse a bit on his fate.

You understand that the vast bulk of his wealth is in the form of Microsoft common stock...which would be worthless on the day after the revolution. No doubt he has a portfolio of other stocks and bonds...that would also be instantly worthless.

He probably keeps a couple of hundred grand in a bank account for daily "necessities" -- currency from the old regime would probably be also worthless.

He has servants...who would quit.

He has a famous painting that he paid $4 million for...move it to a museum.

He lives in what amounts to a private park with luxury housing for himself and some of his lackeys. I have no idea what we'd do with this...but he certainly wouldn't be allowed to live there any longer. Perhaps we'd just allow it to go back to nature.

The household furnishings could be loaded in trucks and distributed in poor neighborhoods in Seattle.

He probably owns a small fleet of cars...they could be used in Seattle as taxis.

Microsoft itself would probably become, as least for the moment, a de facto collective...though I expect it would break up into smaller collectives fairly quickly.

The records of Microsoft might go to a special IT museum and library for expert study.

As to his personal fate and that of his family...well, that depends. He might have to stand trial for Microsoft's relations with the old regime's "Defense Department" or other repressive organs. I know of no reason at this time to take any action against any other members of his family; presumably his wife and daughter would be assigned a small apartment in Seattle or some other city.

Remember that the real wealth of this or any society is what we have built and what we have learned. In capitalism, it is money that symbolizes these things -- a kind of ideological "fog" that covers up reality.

After the revolution, the fog will burn off...and we will see what we really have.

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NovelGentry

1st February 2005, 19:06

He lives in what amounts to a private park with luxury housing for himself and some of his lackeys. I have no idea what we'd do with this...but he certainly wouldn't be allowed to live there any longer. Perhaps we'd just allow it to go back to nature.

No way. His house is probably fitted with so much technology it would make an AWESOME learning center for kids or something. Or it could be stripped of that and made into an orphanage or some sort of temp house for people passing through. You could just make a public technology park or something too, beats the hell out of computers in a library. Why would you just let such a thing go back to nature?

STI

1st February 2005, 20:24

It's one thing for him to use the resources of the community to pass out pamphlets against that very community, or harrassing the community on a street corner, and quite another for him to speak about it with friends, family, get into the conversation with a few people over some beer, etc...

Well, of course we can't expect to control what he decides to wasts his time on with his "friends and family" (poor them!). But your statement "always speak against it..." left little to the imagination.

Abstrakt

1st February 2005, 20:42

Where would he be placed?

NovelGentry

1st February 2005, 20:45

6 feet under, my friend, after I skin him and burn him of course.

Abstrakt

1st February 2005, 20:46

Haha. It took me a while to get used to, but I enjoy your humor.

STI

1st February 2005, 21:16

He wasn't being funny. He was serious.

redstar2000

2nd February 2005, 02:00

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2005, 02:06 PM

He lives in what amounts to a private park with luxury housing for himself and some of his lackeys. I have no idea what we'd do with this...but he certainly wouldn't be allowed to live there any longer. Perhaps we'd just allow it to go back to nature.

No way. His house is probably fitted with so much technology it would make an AWESOME learning center for kids or something. Or it could be stripped of that and made into an orphanage or some sort of temp house for people passing through. You could just make a public technology park or something too, beats the hell out of computers in a library. Why would you just let such a thing go back to nature?
All of those suggestions are good ones, of course.

I was just guilty of "mental laziness". :P

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NovelGentry

2nd February 2005, 02:16

I was just guilty of "mental laziness"

I figured as much, but I thought I'd throw some ideas out there anyway. I really don't think ANYTHING should be put to waste. Your other ideas on the other things were really good too.

Independants

2nd February 2005, 16:17

The Garbage Disposal Unit

2nd February 2005, 17:20

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2005, 04:17 PM
And if Microsoft was demolished, there wouldn't be many more upgrades in computers.
Quite on the contrary, upgrades, free from the resitrictions of Intellectual Copyright laws, etc. would speed drasticly!

Look to Unix and Firefox for examples of functioning communist praxis, is the realm of development . . . Microsoft ought to be an anachronism - it is only the coercive power of capital that keeps it from drowning in yesterday's muck.

STI

2nd February 2005, 17:54

Can't you find another means of revolution than violence?

If it were possible to overthrow capitalism without violence, we'd be the last to oppose it.

But, it doesn't look as though that is a realistic option. The ruling class would never give up power without a life-or-death struggle to defend their rulership. Violence is necessary in defending what we've seized from them.

VukBZ2005

4th February 2005, 02:52

Originally posted by Virgin Molotov Cocktail+Feb 2 2005, 05:20 PM--> (Virgin Molotov Cocktail @ Feb 2 2005, 05:20 PM)
[email protected] 2 2005, 04:17 PM
And if Microsoft was demolished, there wouldn't be many more upgrades in computers.
Quite on the contrary, upgrades, free from the resitrictions of Intellectual Copyright laws, etc. would speed drasticly!

Look to Unix and Firefox for examples of functioning communist praxis, is the realm of development . . . Microsoft ought to be an anachronism - it is only the coercive power of capital that keeps it from drowning in yesterday's muck. [/b]
I have to agree. You also forgot Linux as well. :D

Abstrakt

4th February 2005, 02:59

What is Linux?

STI

4th February 2005, 03:29

Linux is an open-source operating system.

prettyred

10th February 2005, 16:30

whats wrong with killing bill gates?