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[Karl Marx's Camel]

Iraqi Expats Dance for Joy After Voting



"I'm so happy because I'm human," al-Najr, 38, said after casting a ballot for the first time in his life. "I get to say I'm human now."



"All we say now is all of us are Iraqis, because we are all the same."



"I never thought I could put the words together, Iraq and vote," said Mona Oshana, 36, who has lived in Phoenix since she was a child. "We have left (Iraq), but we have not forgotten them."





"If we get right person, then he can run the country right and everybody will be happy," Thaban al-Hasnawi said.

:rolleyes:


Yahoo! Let's vote!! :rolleyes: (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050130/ap_on_re_us/us_iraq_overseas_vote&cid=519&ncid=1473)


Ah, the miralces of voting. I'm expecting a new article in the lines of "Votes turn water into wine", "deceased person awakes after 25 years - Wants to vote"

[RedFlagOverTrenton]

To be fair to Yahoo, it doesn't have its own news service. It just reproduces AP articles, so generally speaking what you find on their news site is reflective of the predjudices and ideas of the capitalist media generally - not yahoo in and of itself.

[KrazyRabidSheep]

I don't understand why all these absentee ballots are being casted.

I mean, I understand that it's because Iraqis in the U.S. are gong to vote for U.S. friendly Iraqis, but how can you let someone who hasn't lived in Iraq for years and has no plans to ever return to Iraq vote?

It's bad enough they allow all of these ex-Iraqi citizens vote, but considering the low turnout expected in Iraq, the absentee ballots could equal half or more of the votes.

How does someone that left their country behind, then gain citizenship with another country, who's life will not be affected directly by the elections get to decide the fate of millions of people?

This is one of the most obvious of the U.S.'s attempts to control the election.

Another of my favourites is the fact that you don't elect a person. You elect a list. Undoubtedly the radical and popular canidates are paired with ten or so American lackeys.

Lastly, how can this be called "Democratic"? Read a dictionary, capitolist bastards.

Mr. Webster defines Democracy as "a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections"

The Iraqis vote for 200+ people, and those people vote for people who vote for the Pres., 2 V.P.s and P.M.

This is not directly, now is it?

A republic is not a democracy, a "representive democracy" is the same as a republic, democracy is not the opposite of communism. There has been no democratic state in the history of the world with the exceptions of rather small nomadic tribes.

Americans need to read a book. Western culture needs to read a book. How can a people throw out a word so often when they have no idea what it means?

It was Noam Chomsky who said
"Personally, I'm in favor of democracy, which means that the central institutions of society have to be under popular control. Now, under capitalism, we can't have democracy by definition. Capitalism is a system in which the central institutions of society are in principle under autocratic control. Thus, a corporation or an industry is, if we were to think of it in political terms, fascist; that is, it has tight control at the top and strict obedience has to be establishedat every level--there's little bargaining, a little give and take,but the line of authority is perfectly straightforward. Just as I'm opposed to political fascism, I'm opposed to economic fascism. I think that until the major institutions of society are under the popular control of participants and communities, it's pointless to talk about democracy."

Now, someone, please, explain to me how are these elections, rigged and flawed, are supossed to bring democracy to Iraq?

[Karl Marx's Camel]

"Democracy" is a slogan, not something they want.

[bolshevik butcher]

Am I right in thinking that sevral of the more left wing parties had been banned from running?

[SpeCtrE]

Originally posted by Clenched [email protected] 30 2005, 12:06 PM
Am I right in thinking that sevral of the more left wing parties had been banned from running?
Yes!

[Karl Marx's Camel]

Proof?

[dso79]

It’s hard to say who’s running. The identities of many candidates have been kept secret for security reasons. However, there doesn’t seem to be much choice; most candidates are US puppets. (Whatever happened to Muqtada as-Sadr?)

I don’t understand why some voters are so happy, either. Do they really believe they have any freedom? Whatever the outcome of the vote may be, in the end it will still be the US who runs the country. The Iraqis should have expressed their opposition to the occupation by not voting.

[Encrypted Soldier]

Originally posted by Eagle+Jan 30 2005, 02:26 PM--> (Eagle @ Jan 30 2005, 02:26 PM)
Clenched [email protected] 30 2005, 12:06 PM
Am I right in thinking that sevral of the more left wing parties had been banned from running?
Yes! [/b]
I see a revolution on the horizon comrades!!!

[Karl Marx's Camel]

Do they really believe they have any freedom?


Sometimes a secure and joyful enviroment, free education and health, housing and a feeling of progress and people's rule can be better than "freedom" ( having it's intended meaning altered and perverted anyways).

[CommieDuK]

well the iraqi government said 57% voted today&#33;&#33; is it the truth ??? <_<

[KrazyRabidSheep]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2005, 03:18 PM

Do they really believe they have any freedom?


Sometimes a secure and joyful enviroment, free education and health, housing and a feeling of progress and people&#39;s rule can be better than "freedom" ( having it&#39;s intended meaning altered and perverted anyways).
don&#39;t forget the people need plumbing and electricity

most of the country&#39;s utilities are out of order

[Latifa]

It&#39;s a pity that it&#39;s oh-so undemocratic but I thought it was very heartwarming that they would all risk their lives to vote.

[t_wolves_fan]

Sometimes a secure and joyful enviroment, free education and health, housing and a feeling of progress and people&#39;s rule can be better than "freedom" ( having it&#39;s intended meaning altered and perverted anyways).

I think a secure and joyful environment requires "freedom" - the freedom to speak, worship, purchase, and earn a living as I please.

Housing and health can be provided to me even when I am slave. I&#39;d rather have "freedom" than either of those two things.

:(

[Cal]

Turnout believed to be around the 60% mark,

After all the foreboding the event seems to have gone very well,

The next major event is the putting together of a constitution (which will be put together by those elected in this election) which will be ratified by the people in a referendum in October, if/when the constitution is ratified there will be a full general election.

reports have indicated that turnout in the so-called &#39;Sunni triangle&#39; is around the 20% mark which although not brilliant is higher than initially expected.