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Djehuti
29th January 2005, 15:17
I found an interesting text on the net. Influenced by Hegel, Marx, Rand (!), The situationists and Marx Stirner amongst others, this is an approach to a communist egoism / radical subjectivism. Have not read it yet, but it might be interesting. Read!
http://home.teleport.com/%7Emalchick/edocs...Greedy-v1_0.pdf (http://home.teleport.com/%7Emalchick/edocs/The_Right_To_Be_Greedy-v1_0.pdf)

redstar2000
29th January 2005, 22:28
It is a very interesting text...though quite verbose.

The use of the phrase "communist egoism" (not egotism) was an unfortunate choice -- they could have easily said that communism is in the direct self-interest of individual workers as well as the working class.

Another difficulty with the text as a whole is that it is divorced from any kind of practical political activity...there's no hint of what communists should actually do.

I don't remember now if I actually knew some of those folks when I lived in the San Francisco Bay Area...but I certainly met and spoke with a fair number of people like them. They did not seem to have any idea of how to communicate their ideas to ordinary people (as both the density and the terminology of their text reveals).

When I proposed to some of them the idea of a tabloid newspaper that would apply their ideas to matters of public concern and would be written in "ordinary language" -- not only was their response negative...but a few even thought it was a "Leninist" idea. :o

So I would suggest that people here read this text, borrow freely that which you think is useful, and translate it into ordinary language.

http://www.websmileys.com/sm/cool/123.gif

PS: it's in .pdf format -- be warned.

Lardlad95
30th January 2005, 00:52
Originally posted by [email protected]an 29 2005, 10:28 PM
It is a very interesting text...though quite verbose.

The use of the phrase "communist egoism" (not egotism) was an unfortunate choice -- they could have easily said that communism is in the direct self-interest of individual workers as well as the working class.

Another difficulty with the text as a whole is that it is divorced from any kind of practical political activity...there's no hint of what communists should actually do.

I don't remember now if I actually knew some of those folks when I lived in the San Francisco Bay Area...but I certainly met and spoke with a fair number of people like them. They did not seem to have any idea of how to communicate their ideas to ordinary people (as both the density and the terminology of their text reveals).

When I proposed to some of them the idea of a tabloid newspaper that would apply their ideas to matters of public concern and would be written in "ordinary language" -- not only was their response negative...but a few even thought it was a "Leninist" idea. :o

So I would suggest that people here read this text, borrow freely that which you think is useful, and translate it into ordinary language.

http://www.websmileys.com/sm/cool/123.gif

PS: it's in .pdf format -- be warned.
Does it seem to you as if his langauge seemed a bit contrived? As if he made his word choice in order to make his ideas seem more complicated than they obviously were? I mean he didn't have to make it as simple as your one line explanation...but really alot of what he said was unnecassary

The Garbage Disposal Unit
30th January 2005, 08:53
Personally, I think a more straightforward translation for the general population is in order . . . but that this text, as is, should be sent to every pretentious 'objectivist' snob on the internet.