How did the White Race come to be

[Wiesty]

so i know that black people were the first to walk the earth, but then that leaves me with one question, how did the white race come to be?

[October Revolution]

could it not be something like black skin was no longer necessary for us since we didn't need protection from the strongest rays of the sun so we developed white skin. not exactly scientific but...

[RedAnarchist]

Some people from Africa began to migrate across the world, getting to places like America and Oceania via landbridges. Some went north to Europe, and due to the lack of sunlight, they began to lose some of their melanin in their skin, eyes and hair, which made them white. Some became blonde-haired with blue or green eyes, whilst some were pale, but retained brown hair and eyes. The slight - and any differences are very, very slight - differences between white and black people evolved because of the environment. Thats what i assume happened.

A fact about this is that all white people are descended from 10 men and 7 women, the "Mitochondrial Eves". And we are all cousins, as the furthest back any two human beings can go without having a common ancestor is 30 genertaions, which means that we are all at least 30th cousins, no matter what nationality, race or colour we are. :D

[Wiesty]

so with the *sun tan* phenominom, ur saying i could go to africa for 30 years and come back black?
or the other way around...

[Anarchist Freedom]

Probably not as the changes occur in every new generation. OF course your skin would get darker but not drastically but enough to notice. THat trait would then be given to your children

[Wiesty]

but arent skin colors past on by genes? losing skin color is not a gene change, its just your going pale on the outside.
So thus, you'd still have black genes

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

No, it is genetic - the differences in various human populations have come about as a result of the success of various random genetic mutation.
This doesn't just apply to "race" (Huh?) but unique characteristics in any gene-pool.

[Raisa]

White people came to be what they are because they had to adapt to live in the cold harsh climates of europe.

Their noses are pointier to control the way the air gets inside. Cold air gives you nose bleeds.
Their lips are thinner because cold air chaps your lips and makes them bleed.
The dry air made their hair thinner.

That is my theory. People are amazing. How we all had our way to live in our environments.

[Zingu]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 01:05 AM
White people came to be what they are because they had to adapt to live in the cold harsh climates of europe.

Their noses are pointier to control the way the air gets inside. Cold air gives you nose bleeds.
Their lips are thinner because cold air chaps your lips and makes them bleed.
The dry air made their hair thinner.

That is my theory. People are amazing. How we all had our way to live in our environments.
Thats a interesting question I saw on some site; which I can't remember (I really wish I did! Some about 58 acopolyptic scenarios spelling doom for the human race).


Since now, humankind in the first world does not need to strive to survive now; the weak and the disabled are getting into the genepool who were originally killed of by Darwin's "survival of the fittest". As sterilization has been banned in most countries now of such people (I don't mean "sterilization" as in Nazi genocide, America also practiced sterilization of mentally retarded and deformed people back in the early 20th century.).
The question is, can the human race be commiting genetic suicide? Diversity is good, as human race continues to "interbreed" (to the much horror of the WNs) we will become more resistance to maladies, defects, illness ect. But, if the "bad" genes of mental retardness continue to spread in the gene pool, could this be a problem? Or will these genes stay recessive enough to eventually be "hijacked" out of the global gene pool by more dominant genes?
And now since civilization makes Darwin's "survival of the fittest" meaningless, could the human race start to "de-volve"? Some say say at this current rate before the human race starts to head backwards is 150 years at the most.

[Monty Cantsin]

It cause by random gene mutation like VCM said. So it’s not like the ancestors of white people developed on purpose to survive in cold conditions. What happened was their random mutations unintentionally allowed them to live in colder environments.

Also the whole thesis that human life started in Africa and moved to Asia is being challenged so it’s not a fully accepted thesis in the scientific community.

[RagsToRevolution]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 02:09 AM
Thats a interesting question I saw on some site; which I can't remember (I really wish I did! Some about 58 acopolyptic scenarios spelling doom for the human race).
Exit Mundi is the name of the site.

[encephalon]

Their noses are pointier to control the way the air gets inside. Cold air gives you nose bleeds.
Their lips are thinner because cold air chaps your lips and makes them bleed.
The dry air made their hair thinner.


I would word this differently.. the dry air didn't make their hair thinner, but those with thinner hair survived the dry air whilst those with thicker hair died off in the climate change. I know that doesn't sound like a significant difference.. but a lot of people think that evolution is an active process rather than passive.. I can't remember the french philosopher that first put forth that theory (a giraffe's neck is long from constant reaching for leaves, and that reach is passed on, etc..)--anyone remember?


The question is, can the human race be commiting genetic suicide? Diversity is good, as human race continues to "interbreed" (to the much horror of the WNs) we will become more resistance to maladies, defects, illness ect. But, if the "bad" genes of mental retardness continue to spread in the gene pool, could this be a problem? Or will these genes stay recessive enough to eventually be "hijacked" out of the global gene pool by more dominant genes?

Ah, the devolution argument. People have actually tried to justify racial warfare with it.. it's inherently flawed, however. As much as we'd like to think it has, human civilization has not gotten rid of natural selection. This might somehow seem wrong to say, but consider it honestly: how many mentally handicapped people successfully integrate into the greater genepool? They don't, for the most part. Those "normal" people find the thought of breeding with them.. well, they don't even consider it, which says more than if they were horrified by it. Mentally handicapped people do breed, and not just mentally handicapped but people with plently of "defective" genes. It is these defective genes, however, that further evolution, whether it be by giving them an advantage under special circumstances, or they die off from not being able to surivive. Either way, evolution is "furthered."

The thing is.. there is no set direction to evolution, and therefore nothing can simply devolve. If an extra arm is somehow better than intelligence in a situation humanity finds itself in, the people with that extra arm will live while the others die, regardless of how intelligent one or the other is.

To see a more detailed example, maybe (and perhaps more entertaining than I could hope to make it), I'd suggest reading "galapagos" (spelling?) by Kurt Vonnegut. It details how mankind turns into a seal-like creature, simply out of special circumstances and who is best suited for the new environment. It's pretty good.

[Raisa]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 05:26 AM


Their noses are pointier to control the way the air gets inside. Cold air gives you nose bleeds.
Their lips are thinner because cold air chaps your lips and makes them bleed.
The dry air made their hair thinner.


I would word this differently.. the dry air didn't make their hair thinner, but those with thinner hair survived the dry air whilst those with thicker hair died off in the climate change. I know that doesn't sound like a significant difference.. but a lot of people think that evolution is an active process rather than passive..
People's hair changes now from climates.

You go up north and your hair is hanging and shining, then you come down south or to the islands and the climate changes your hair.
Can anyone else testify to this?

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

EVen if that is the case Raisa, it's not genetic, and wouldn't apply to yr offspirng.

[Lardlad95]

According to the Nation of Islam...or atleast what they used to believe. Was that the white man was created by Dr. Yacuub an evil man who wanted to destroy the black race. Or something like that

[che's long lost daughter]

We have this local legend here about the origin of the races. This sounds really stupid...

Once God decided to created human beings so he got some soil and moulded it according to his image. He placed it in the oven to cook it but he fell asleep and forgot about it so it got burnt. That was how black people came to be. He decided to create another one and so he did the same thing as before but this time, he carfeully watched over what he was cooking and took the "dish" out of the oven too soon so the product came out still quite raw. That was how the white people came to be. Still he did not give up and decided to create one more. This time, he made sure all would be perfect so he watched over it carefully and took it out of the oven at the right time, He was pleased with the product because what came out was not too dark nor too fair. That was the brown race where my people came from....


...Oh well :rolleyes:

[guerillablack]

That's not a legend that's like one of those jokes. like god was at a bar with satan and a jew..


and what about the thesis about life in Africa starting is behind refuted? since when?

[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2005, 04:55 PM
That's not a legend that's like one of those jokes. like god was at a bar with satan and a jew..


and what about the thesis about life in Africa starting is behind refuted? since when?
THe latest issue of discovery has a brief statement on this subject. A new type of ancient great ape fossil was found in like spain or something. It seems to have been one of the first divergences from other primates.

[Wiesty]

ive actually heard some theories of life being started in austrailia

[trex]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2005, 01:14 AM
ive actually heard some theories of life being started in austrailia
hmm...Africa and Australia are a world apart. Did you hear about the theory that Aborignies were aided by people from the Sirius galaxy? It sounds crazed, but some of the cave drawings are lookin like it.

[guerillablack]

Even if it started on Autstrailia. It's stil aboringinees and they are black.

But Spain?WTF? APES?Please not that shit again.

[encephalon]

hmm...Africa and Australia are a world apart. Did you hear about the theory that Aborignies were aided by people from the Sirius galaxy? It sounds crazed, but some of the cave drawings are lookin like it.

those cave paintings are rather remarkable.. but I still can't bring myself to believe that aliens came down and visited humans. If they were capable of travelling such distances, they'd be far more intelligent than we could possibly imagine.. and taking an active role in the life of a human would be comparable to me taking an active role in the life of a mole.

You should read some zecharia sitchin.. though don't take his work seriously. It has to do with the whole aliens-visiting-earth-and-changing-civilization thing. But from what I've looked into, he likes to put his own meaning behind sumerian words, which is what most of his stuff is based on. Most of the rest is just purely circumstantial. But it's good for a laugh or two.

[Discarded Wobbly Pop]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2005, 01:41 PM
so i know that black people were the first to walk the earth, but then that leaves me with one question, how did the white race come to be?
I don't know if they've ever looked it up but my guess was always that brown was the original skin colour and that black, white, yellow, and red were the mutations, but I'm probably wrong.

[SpeCtrE]

I think the difference in skin color is only a something that come along with evolution. Nature gave each according to its need. For the one who lives in polar regions, a skin with less melanin concentration, as he doesn't need it to protect himself from sunlight.

[che's long lost daughter]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2005, 04:55 PM
That's not a legend that's like one of those jokes. like god was at a bar with satan and a jew..


and what about the thesis about life in Africa starting is behind refuted? since when?
To tell you seriously, it is NOT a joke here, it's actually some sort of folk tale or legend. It is even in elementary school books

[SpeCtrE]

I'm stuck for an answer here!

[Severian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2005, 07:41 AM
so i know that black people were the first to walk the earth, but then that leaves me with one question, how did the white race come to be?
How do you know that exactly? Skin color isn't well-preserved by fossilization.

Genus homo definitely started in Africa, and most scientists would agree that Homo sapiens did - but that wasn't synonymous with what we today think of as "Black people" until the Bantu tribes spread out across the continent from roughly 4000 up til 1000 years ago years ago from what's now Nigeria. The genetic diversity of Africans is as great as the diversity of the entire rest of humanity.

But what XPhile and others say about the evolution of pale skin is probably a good explanation.

Historically, there's been some debate among scientists about whether humanity started in Africa (out of Africa or replacement hypothesis), started in multiple areas with some gene interchange (multiregionalism) or started in Africa but then interbred with older hominid species in other parts of the world (hybridization).

The gene evidence so far supports "out of Africa". Multiregionalism is pretty much dead in the water. Hybridization has taken some hits due to findings like: there are no Neanderthal genes in present-day Europeans.

Also, no other species has ever been observed to have a multiple origin; it's more common that species branch off in a single location; sometimes even because of geographic separation from others of the older species. So both theory and increasing amounts of evidence support "out of Africa".

But it's common in the history of science that a theory doesn't become universally accepted until the older generation of scientists die off. People are stubborn sometimes.

[Pawn Power]

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS RACE!

[refuse_resist]

Originally posted by Revolution is the [email protected] 1 2005, 08:49 PM
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS RACE!
Indeed.

There is no such thing as a "White/Black/Brown/Yellow/etc. race". Those are all social constructs that the capitalists use to further divide the working class.

There is only one race, and that is the human race.

[commiecrusader]

There is only one race, and that is the human race.
What a load of crap. This is 'look at me, Im so liberal' rhetoric. Of course there are different races, but that doesn't have to divide people. It's only divisive if people choose to see differences as a negative thing. Also, race can be decided in lots of different ways. The 'Human Race'. The 'Afro-Carribean' Race. Even religious groups can be described as Races.

[Severian]

Well, clearly you're not talking about biology then.

Biologically, it's true: humans are not clearly divided into races or subspecies. Any kind of genetic variation you look at, there's a lot of fuzziness, not any sharp dividing lines. Given that Homo Sapiens left Africa within the last hundred thousand years, and has long generations compared to many species, apparent differences are superficial.

Any 'racial' categorization is pretty arbitrary. Or as you put it "race can be decided in lots of different ways" If it had some objective biological existence outside people's heads, that wouldn't be the case.

[Lee Harvey Oswald]

Gasp?

Was my post here deleted?

And here I though Communist governments were against the suppression of free speech...silly me...

[Rivet]

And here I though Communist governments were against the suppression of free speech...silly me...

and why did you think that? ...silly you...

[Lee Harvey Oswald]

You mean Communist governments are for the suppression of free speech?

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

What communist government?

[Pawn Power]

What a load of crap. This is 'look at me, Im so liberal' rhetoric. Of course there are different races, but that doesn't have to divide people. It's only divisive if people choose to see differences as a negative thing. Also, race can be decided in lots of different ways. The 'Human Race'. The 'Afro-Carribean' Race. Even religious groups can be described as Races.

no, your a load of crap.
It is not liberal rhetoric to say there is only one race, it is the truth. We are all homo sapiens sapiens. Not only are there no other races, there is no such thing as race.

[commiecrusader]

We are all homo sapiens sapiens.
This is our species. 'Race' and 'Species' are different words.

Quite clearly, 'Race' doesn't mean the same thing as 'species', or the word wouldn't exist. Race is not decided on biological grounds, at least not in the way most people use the word, but rather on cultural, cosmetic, or country of origin grounds. Whilst this may be undesirable, it is a fact that in current society it is commonplace to name 'Races'. But like I said, this doesnt have to be a divisive/negative thing, and should act as a productive system, encouraging ideas to be bounced about between people with different perspectives and views.

[Pawn Power]

But like I said, this doesnt have to be a divisive/negative thing, and should act as a productive system
Creating divisions among people based nonsensical postulations is always negative.

[Lamanov]

its a skin mutation. people who migrated to the north were less exposed to the sun's radiation, but black skin ment much less than normal. if there is not enough radiation body cant [... well, im not so sure here...] cant produce [? or something else] vitamin D, so it mutates from blact to white in generations over 15000-20000 years.

[guerillablack]

Exactly. Black is the original color. White skin is a mutation. Even theories white "race" started from Albinism.

[Wiesty]

im mutated?

werd







(post 600 biyatch :redstar2000: )

[Rasta Sapian]

homo sapian sapians yes, we all are of the same species, this we know, physical charactoristics vary from being separated for a couple hundred thousand to tens of thousands of years or so, each evolving various separate charactoristics defined by different areas and climates on the earth in relation to the sun ie. different pigments in skin, body mass, and facial charactoistics ie. races

some of us have been separated from an archaic homo sapian or neaderthalis type humanoid, where a smaller population would have been separated for thousands or years, ie in northern europe or austrailia evolving into what we are now. They melting pot is now converging more than ever in past history, evolution these days is being altered more from society however, environment and location still remain to be factors in the process.