The Red Test -- HELP NEEDED

[encephalon]

This test isn't entirely accurate, I don't think, and probably needs a bit of tweaking in that regard.. I'm curious as too how close it gets to what you would most associate with.. that way I can adjust as necessary.

I also need suggestions with the suggested reading part once the test returns your "scores." Some of the descriptions of each ideology need elucidation as well.. A select few, in fact, were pretty much taken from the Red Dictionary solely, and in desperate need of work.

Suggestions, Please????

NOTE: I know, long ago, that another test was made similar to this on a corporate site; it did however ask mainly about historical interpretation rather than political belief, and required a bit of knowledge on the movement. I'm trying to require of the testee as little knowledge as possible (though I failed with a dialectical materialism question). The other test didn't provide any resources, either, but simply told you the results.

If you know perl, you can view the source after taking the test via a provided link. Any help is appreciated.

the link: The Crimson Test (http://www.redapollo.org/cgi-bin/crimson.pl)

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

One thing, government as evil is too strong. I think corrupt would even be a better option, anything but evil which I dont even like to use in my speech would be better.

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Organized Religion is dangerous, and should be actively discouraged. - another option should be abolished.

[RedAnarchist]

i did it, and heres my results -

1 . Bookchinism 47
2 . Council Communism 41
3 . Left Communism 38
4 . Anarchism 37
5 . Democratic Socialism 31
6 . DeLeonism/Syndicalism 30
7 . Guild Socialism 27
8 . Marxist Tendencies 25
9 . Trotskyism 23
10 . Titoism 18
11 . Shachrmanism 12
12 . Castroism 12
13 . Marxist-Leninism 12
14 . Reform Communism 10
15 . Populism 8
16 . Progressivism 6
17 . Marxist-Leninist-Maoism 5
18 . Christian Socialism 0
19 . Social Democracy -1
20 . Kimism -1
21 . Stalinism -7

[Severian]

Based on my (rather inaccurate) results, definitely needs work. Bookchinism also on top, for no reason I can see, maybe your program likes it way too much. Then social democracy....

If one option on question 11 is intended to summarize Leninist views on revolutionary leadership, it should be 'a centralized, disciplined party" not "a small group of leaders".

[RagsToRevolution]

I got Bookchinism on top, but I do agree with the second, that of Council Communism, which I believe is the example of which socialims must be built upon, while communism will have no more use for the hierarchy of the worker's councils.

[STI]

My top one was Bookchinism too. Odd that all three of us got it.

[ComradeRed]

Your putting too few questions. You may as well put five "Is government good or bad? Are you for or against a vanguard? How do you feel about dialectics? How do you feel about democracy? How do you feel about religion?"

I got bookchinism as my first choice too.

[RhetoricalAbsurdity]

I also got Bookchinism as my top choice. Weird.

[MysticArcher]

I got anarchism first on my list, but Bookchinism was in the top 3 or 4

Cool test though, I do think it needs more questions and for the questions to be more specific

Maybe use hypothetical situations to put a little more variety into the questions

[Roses in the Hospital]

I got Bookchinism, but, admitadely never heard of that before this morning. On the plus side is my lowest match was Stalinism with -5...

[T_SP]

Here is my results:

1 . Bookchinism 43
2 . Democratic Socialism 35
3 . Trotskyism 31
4 . Council Communism 28
5 . DeLeonism/Syndicalism 25
6 . Guild Socialism 23
7 . Anarchism 22
8 . Shachrmanism 20
9 . Left Communism 19
10 . Populism 17
11 . Progressivism 16
12 . Marxist-Leninism 16
13 . Castroism 12
14 . Titoism 12
15 . Social Democracy 11
16 . Marxist-Leninist-Maoism 10
17 . Christian Socialism 10
18 . Marxist Tendencies 8
19 . Reform Communism 3
20 . Kimism 2
21 . Stalinism -7

[T_SP]

-7 on Stalinism, Very good!!
Top of the list bookchinism! Do you think the guy running the site is a bookchinist?? :lol:

Don't think this is very accurate at all though.

[Fidelbrand]

Democratic socialism : 40

[encephalon]

hah.. yeah, the bookchinist thing is a problem, I noticed that after a couple people took it.. I'm unsure of how to resolve it thus far.. looking into it. My algorithm(s) definitely need work, which is why I posted it here.

I do want to add more questions, but I also don't want to overwhelm the testee--it's primarily aimed at people who don't already know where they fit into the scheme of things, and based on the answers to the questions it will provide a list of suggested reading resources to further develop themselves.

It's also not on an even scale for each ideology--that is, each one is judged independently, on its own scale. So if you score high in one area, you don't automatically score low in another (though it should work out like that, or close to it, for polar opposites.. if you score high on anarchism and high on stalinism, there is definitely a problem.. that or you're entirely inconsistent). I didn't want to make it too restrictive.. so the scores are subjective unto themselves.

If anyone does know perl, the programming is pretty straightforward, and there's a link on the scores page to the source.. suggestions on how to fix the bookchin problem, at least, would be appreciated.

And, if anyone does have a suggested question, and how it would rate with each ideology (though I should be able to estimate that on my own, to an extent), by all means tell me and I'll put it on. Just remember it isn't on a collective scale, as, say, political compass, but judged individually.

Thanks for the help!

[captain donald]

This isme, not completely correct, as i believe in Left communism more then i believe in Anarchism, but it was close! Job well done.

1 . Anarchism 39
2 . Left Communism 39
3 . Council Communism 37
4 . Bookchinism 37
5 . Guild Socialism 35
6 . Democratic Socialism 31
7 . Shachrmanism 25
8 . Populism 23
9 . DeLeonism/Syndicalism 22
10 . Progressivism 19
11 . Trotskyism 19
12 . Marxist Tendencies 15
13 . Titoism 15
14 . Christian Socialism 14
15 . Social Democracy 12
16 . Reform Communism 9
17 . Marxist-Leninism 2
18 . Castroism 0
19 . Marxist-Leninist-Maoism -7
20 . Kimism -14
21 . Stalinism -20

[Zingu]

1 . Council Communism 10
2 . Marxist Tendencies 8
3 . Marxist-Leninist-Maoism 8
4 . Anarchism 8
5 . DeLeonism / Syndicalism 7
6 . Marxist-Leninism 7
7 . Bookchinism 7
8 . Trotskyism 7
9 . Castroism 7
10 . Left Communism 6
11 . Kimism 5
12 . Titoism 5
13 . Democratic Socialism 4
14 . Stalinism 3
15 . Guild Socialism 2
16 . Reform Communism 2
17 . Populism 0
18 . Progressivism 0
19 . Christian Socialism 0
20 . Shachtmanism 0
21 . Social Democracy -2


I&#39;m NOWHERE near being a Maoist..... <_<

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

1 . Anarchism 18
2 . Council Communism 12
3 . Bookchinism 9
4 . Left Communism 9
5 . Guild Socialism 7
6 . Democratic Socialism 7
7 . Populism 6
8 . DeLeonism / Syndicalism 6
9 . Christian Socialism 6
10 . Trotskyism 6
11 . Shachtmanism 5
12 . Titoism 4
13 . Progressivism 4
14 . Marxist-Leninist-Maoism 3
15 . Social Democracy 3
16 . Castroism 1
17 . Marxist-Leninism 1
18 . Marxist Tendencies 0
19 . Kimism 0
20 . Reform Communism -1
21 . Stalinism -10

I should note though, that I disagreed with the answer/proposed situation on quite a few answers. And Zingu, you are from now on, officially my favorite Anarcho-Maoist :)

Edit: encephalon. The IWW is not anarchist, nor do they claim so. They don&#39;t take a political position, nor are they for the abolishment of the state. Although anarcho-syndicalists have had significant influence on the union.

[Red Heretic]

The whole test is very biased and derogatory toward Maoists...

[ComradeRed]

THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE QUESTIONS&#33;&#33;&#33; Try having hypothetical situations, e.g. "A group of farmers are organizing a revolution, would you join them? If a group of workers were on the verge of revolting in their factories, would you join and agitate them or create a seperate revolution?" etc. etc. etc.

[Hiero]

1 . Marxist-Leninism 12
2 . Marxist-Leninist-Maoism 10
3 . Castroism 9
4 . Marxist Tendencies 8
5 . Kimism 8
6 . Council Communism 6
7 . Stalinism 6
8 . Trotskyism 6
9 . Titoism 5
10 . Reform Communism 5
11 . Left Communism 5
12 . Bookchinism 5
13 . DeLeonism / Syndicalism 5
14 . Democratic Socialism 3
15 . Anarchism 2
16 . Shachtmanism 1
17 . Christian Socialism 0
18 . Progressivism 0
19 . Guild Socialism 0
20 . Social Democracy -1
21 . Populism -1



I&#39;m NOWHERE near being a Maoist

Maybe you are but you don&#39;t want to admit it.

[Invader Zim]

1 . Democratic Socialism 11
2 . Bookchinism 7
3 . Populism 7
4 . Progressivism 7
5 . Reform Communism 7
6 . Shachtmanism 7
7 . Anarchism 7
8 . Marxist Tendencies 6
9 . Guild Socialism 6
10 . Social Democracy 6
11 . Council Communism 5
12 . Left Communism 5
13 . Christian Socialism 4
14 . DeLeonism / Syndicalism 2
15 . Castroism 2
16 . Titoism 1
17 . Trotskyism 1
18 . Marxist-Leninism 0
19 . Stalinism 0
20 . Marxist-Leninist-Maoism 0
21 . Kimism 0

[Anarchist Freedom]

1 . Anarchism 14
2 . Council Communism 12
3 . Bookchinism 9
4 . Left Communism 9
5 . Democratic Socialism 8
6 . Trotskyism 7
7 . Guild Socialism 7
8 . DeLeonism / Syndicalism 6
9 . Marxist Tendencies 5
10 . Marxist-Leninism 4
11 . Populism 4
12 . Shachtmanism 4
13 . Titoism 3
14 . Progressivism 3
15 . Social Democracy 2
16 . Christian Socialism 2
17 . Castroism 1
18 . Marxist-Leninist-Maoism 0
19 . Reform Communism 0
20 . Kimism -3
21 . Stalinism

[encephalon]

The whole test is very biased and derogatory toward Maoists...

How so???? IF I&#39;ve worded something that makes maoism out to be derogatory, I&#39;d be happy to rephrase it if you have any suggestions.


Edit: encephalon. The IWW is not anarchist, nor do they claim so. They don&#39;t take a political position, nor are they for the abolishment of the state. Although anarcho-syndicalists have had significant influence on the union.

That&#39;s strange. Thanks, I&#39;ll recheck my sources.. any suggestion as to what they&#39;d be*possibly* classified under?


THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE QUESTIONS&#33;&#33;&#33; Try having hypothetical situations, e.g. "A group of farmers are organizing a revolution, would you join them? If a group of workers were on the verge of revolting in their factories, would you join and agitate them or create a seperate revolution?" etc. etc. etc.

Yes, there do need to be more questions.. what I&#39;m trying to do is make a scale regarding the answer to each question for each set of ideologies; for instance, if it concerns the vanguard, being pro-vaguard would add 50 to leninism, maoism, stalinism, etc.. and -50 to anarchism, council communism, etc.. though the points would vary, depending on how much each group disagrees with the prospect. So, I&#39;m trying to keep the questions all encompassing while at the same time keeping them relevant and agreeable on an answer within each shade itself.

[encephalon]

ENIGMA: I&#39;m assuming you&#39;re a communist or anarchist? Damn.. I wish I could see the answers to your questions so I could figure out what the hell happened there :D

[cormacobear]

1 . Christian Socialism 13
2 . Marxist-Leninist-Maoism 11
3 . Kimism 11
4 . Democratic Socialism 9
5 . Social Democracy 9
6 . Shachtmanism 7
7 . Bookchinism 7
8 . Progressivism 7
9 . Reform Communism 7
10 . Castroism 6
11 . Populism 6
12 . Guild Socialism 5
13 . Marxist-Leninism 5
14 . Stalinism 5
15 . Titoism 0
16 . Marxist Tendencies 0
17 . Council Communism 0
18 . Trotskyism -1
19 . DeLeonism / Syndicalism -2
20 . Anarchism -3
21 . Left Communism -4

Definately needs to be a larger exam. but it was good fora laugh

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2005, 11:11 AM

Edit: encephalon. The IWW is not anarchist, nor do they claim so. They don&#39;t take a political position, nor are they for the abolishment of the state. Although anarcho-syndicalists have had significant influence on the union.

That&#39;s strange. Thanks, I&#39;ll recheck my sources.. any suggestion as to what they&#39;d be*possibly* classified under?
http://www.iww.org.uk/

Go to "More Info" then "Frequently Asked Questions about the IWW".

These parts answer your questions:

" * Is The IWW Connected To Any Political Party?

The IWW is a union, not a political party. We believe that economic justice must be achieved through social and economic struggle, whether it be with our boss or landlord.

The IWW has successfully resisted attempts by various ‘left’ parties to make the union a mere adjunct to their political ambitions. By refusing to endorse one party or another, the IWW has avoided the sectarian feuding that can easily destroy a group.

Nevertheless, many of the founders of the IWW were also active in socialist politics. While some IWW members consider themselves anarchists and shun all electoral activity, many of our members are active in a variety of political parties and movements. Other members are simply militant unionists who would disavow all labels. Our commitment to industrial democracy and the abolition of capitalism makes us a ‘left’ organisation more through default than design.

* What Is The Relationship Between The IWW And The State?

The institutions of government have always proven themselves to be the allies of employers and landowners, hence we do not wait for our freedom from wage-slavery to be legislated into existence.

This does not mean that we campaign for the abolition of the state, as our sole policy regarding the state is that we do not believe that it should play a role in running the economy. The responsibility for running the economy should lie in the hands of working people themselves.

* What Is The IWW’s Ultimate Goal?

Our goal is to achieve industrial democracy, where all workplaces are run democratically by the people who work in them. No longer will our lives be ruled by employers and speculators who are only interested in obtaining a profit for themselves.

Industrial democracy does not mean that the IWW itself will run industry, for industry will be run directly by the people working in it. IWW methods, tactics and ways of organising are simply the means of winning control of industry from our employers.

Democratically run industry will lead to a more just and equitable distribution of wealth. The days of workers slaving away for a minimum wage to enrich someone else will be history."

[ComradeRed]

Yes, there do need to be more questions.. what I&#39;m trying to do is make a scale regarding the answer to each question for each set of ideologies; for instance, if it concerns the vanguard, being pro-vaguard would add 50 to leninism, maoism, stalinism, etc.. and -50 to anarchism, council communism, etc.. though the points would vary, depending on how much each group disagrees with the prospect. So, I&#39;m trying to keep the questions all encompassing while at the same time keeping them relevant and agreeable on an answer within each shade itself. Well, the options should not be "Yeah, I&#39;m gung ho for it&#33; Let&#39;s do it now right now yeah&#33;" or "No&#33; The idea is the devil&#33; Burn it&#33;" and the "I don&#39;t give a damn" answer, it should be more along the lines of strongly agree, agree, no opinion, disagree, strongly disagree with varying addition of points from 20, 10, 0, -10, -20. The problem i see is that there would need to be an option for each ideology, "Should there be a vanguard? 1. Yes, and it should run everything after the revolution. 2. Yes, there should be to start the revolution and let the workers take control afterwards. 3. No, the workers&#39; have their own parties that we should join. 4. No, parties are sectarian(or something". Something along those lines would be the alternative. ;)

[Phalanx]

I thought it was pretty accurate.

1 . Marxist Tendencies 11
2 . Anarchism 11
3 . Left Communism 8
4 . Council Communism 8
5 . Populism 7
6 . Shachtmanism 7
7 . Bookchinism 7
8 . Democratic Socialism 7
9 . Reform Communism 6
10 . Progressivism 6
11 . Christian Socialism 5
12 . Social Democracy 5
13 . Guild Socialism 5
14 . DeLeonism / Syndicalism 3
15 . Castroism 1
16 . Titoism 1
17 . Trotskyism 1
18 . Marxist-Leninism 0
19 . Marxist-Leninist-Maoism -1
20 . Kimism -1
21 . Stalinism -3

[{GR}Raine]

1 . 50
2 . Reform Communism 7
3 . Democratic Socialism 6
4 . Stalinism 6
5 . Marxist-Leninist-Maoism 6
6 . Kimism 6
7 . Marxist Tendencies 5
8 . Bookchinism 5
9 . Castroism 5
10 . Guild Socialism 4
11 . Populism 4
12 . Shachtmanism 4
13 . Progressivism 4
14 . Christian Socialism 4
15 . Social Democracy 4
16 . Marxist-Leninism 3
17 . Council Communism 3
18 . Left Communism 3
19 . DeLeonism / Syndicalism 2
20 . Titoism 2
21 . Anarchism 2
22 . Trotskyism 0


My first was blank. idk ?

[pedro san pedro]

1 . Bookchinism 11
2 . Council Communism 10
3 . Marxist Tendencies 8
4 . Democratic Socialism 7
5 . Anarchism 7
6 . Marxist-Leninist-Maoism 7
7 . DeLeonism / Syndicalism 6
8 . Left Communism 6
9 . Trotskyism 5
10 . Guild Socialism 5
11 . Castroism 5
12 . Marxist-Leninism 5
13 . Kimism 4
14 . Titoism 3
15 . Christian Socialism 3
16 . Reform Communism 2
17 . Shachtmanism 2
18 . Populism 0
19 . Progressivism 0
20 . Social Democracy -1
21 . Stalinism -2

Another with bookchinism at the top&#33; You definately need more variation within the answers to pick from.

[/QUOTE]My first was blank. idk ? [QUOTE]

get him - he&#39;s a fiftyist&#33;

[encephalon]

I have no idea how the 50 got there.. but I agree, you should be burned at the stake for it&#33;

I&#39;ll be changing the test a bit soon.

[Djehuti]

"Does the path to Socialism--and/or beyond--stem from revolutionary means or evolutionary means?"

I accually see a revolution more like an evolutionary leap.
Maybe rather: Revolution vs reforms/democratic elections? Or something?


"Is government inherently evil in any form, or just in certain cases or in certain hands?"

I would say: "Government can be used for good or bad, depending on who controls it."
even though it is still a necessary bad. I do not like the term &#39;evil&#39; though.


"Should governmental bodies control economic direction, or should it be directed by loosely affiliated labor unions?"


Hrmmm...I would not say that it will exist lbor unions or goverments under communism, so is this during capitalism or the dictatorship of the proletarians, or what? Personally iam of the council communist belief that the workers form their way of organisation in class struggle, (most likely workers councils, atleast during the fordistic era) and that it is nothing for us communists to decide.


The rest is generally great, but sometimes I want to answer one way, but with a totally different motivation from those who generally answers the same. So even though I vote the way that generates for example stalinist points, I might have a very different view on it than the stalinists, and might even be closer to anarchists in that question...But thats always a problem.


My results:
1 . Council Communism 10
2 . Left Communism 9
3 . Trotskyism 8
4 . Marxist-Leninist-Maoism 7
5 . Bookchinism 7
6 . Democratic Socialism 6
7 . Marxist-Leninism 6
8 . Anarchism 6
9 . DeLeonism / Syndicalism 5
10 . Castroism 5
11 . Kimism 4
12 . Titoism 4
13 . Marxist Tendencies 4
14 . Guild Socialism 4
15 . Progressivism 2
16 . Shachtmanism 2
17 . Social Democracy 1
18 . Populism 1
19 . Christian Socialism 0
20 . Reform Communism 0
21 . Stalinism 0


Some where quite surprising, though the first two were expected.
Hrmmm...what would you say is the difference between council communism and left communism? They are nearly identical, except that it was called council communism in Germany and Holland, (and most of northern europe) and left communism in the south, mainly Italy. Council communism also had a more practical inpact while the left communists had no such possibility but focused more on theory. Someone said that Council communism was a tendency in the class struggle, while left communism was a tendency in the library. :)
The council communists also emphasized that the workers will create their own organizations in the class struggle (workers councils was common and though well of by the council communists), while the left communists laid emphasize on economics, value, variable capital, capital, etc. Though they agreed on much. Some leftcommunists, as Bordiga and his followers also believed in a party of a sort....

What are "Marxist Tendencies"?


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You may include this question:

What is your view on the Soviet Union?

a) Socialism

Marxist-leninist, Stalinist, Social Democracy, maybe some anarchist tendencies, etc.

b) Workers state

Trotskyist.

c) State capitalism

Left communism, council communism, many maoists.

d) A "third" system.

Shachtmanists


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Post-autonomous marxism (Negri & Hardt for example might be included),
and maybe Operaism and Situationism.

[Black Dagger]

Les results,

1 . Anarchism 14
2 . Left Communism 9
3 . Council Communism 9
4 . Bookchinism 7
5 . Democratic Socialism 6
6 . DeLeonism / Syndicalism 6
7 . Guild Socialism 5
8 . Marxist Tendencies 5
9 . Trotskyism 5
10 . Titoism 4
11 . Populism 4
12 . Shachtmanism 4
13 . Progressivism 3
14 . Castroism 3
15 . Social Democracy 2
16 . Marxist-Leninism 2
17 . Reform Communism 2
18 . Marxist-Leninist-Maoism 2
19 . Christian Socialism 1
20 . Kimism 0
21 . Stalinism -2


"Is government inherently evil in any form, or just in certain cases or in certain hands?"

If this question is intended to &#39;catch&#39; anarchists, i think it might need to be rewarded, because the definition of &#39;government&#39; is relative. If &#39;government&#39; means you have a centralised state with &#39;leaders&#39; who make decisions for people, without direct recall or accountability, than yes, i would oppose government. If by government you mean, a way for PEOPLE, to organise themselves, in a directly-democratic fashion, with complete re-call and accountability, then no, i dont.

[bed_of_nails]

1 . Anarchism 12
2 . Bookchinism 12
3 . Democratic Socialism 12
4 . Shachtmanism 9
5 . Guild Socialism 9
6 . Populism 9
7 . Progressivism 8
8 . Christian Socialism 8
9 . Social Democracy 8
10 . Council Communism 7
11 . Left Communism 5
12 . Reform Communism 4
13 . DeLeonism / Syndicalism 3
14 . Marxist Tendencies 3
15 . Marxist-Leninism 1
16 . Titoism 0
17 . Trotskyism 0
18 . Castroism 0
19 . Marxist-Leninist-Maoism -3
20 . Kimism -4
21 . Stalinism -8


Looking at this... I may actually be more of a Bookchinist than a Leninist... I thought I was a Leninist, but I support freedom of speech, religion, etc. This makes me question my own beliefs now.

[cwiz1623]

we should just revolt and see what happens :D

[RedLenin]

Heres my results.

1 . Anarchism 17
2 . Council Communism 11
3 . Left Communism 10
4 . Bookchinism 8
5 . DeLeonism / Syndicalism 6
6 . Trotskyism 6
7 . Guild Socialism 6
8 . Democratic Socialism 6
9 . Titoism 5
10 . Shachtmanism 4
11 . Populism 3
12 . Marxist Tendencies 3
13 . Castroism 2
14 . Marxist-Leninism 2
15 . Progressivism 2
16 . Marxist-Leninist-Maoism 2
17 . Christian Socialism 1
18 . Social Democracy 1
19 . Kimism 0
20 . Reform Communism 0
21 . Stalinism -4

[Zingu]

W T F


1 . Council Communism 11
2 . Marxist-Leninist-Maoism 10
3 . Trotskyism 9
4 . Marxist-Leninism 9
5 . Castroism 8
6 . Kimism 8


I could understand being ranked as a Trotskyist and a Council Communist close to each other; but Maoism that close to very distant and polarized ideologies as well? :huh:

[Colombia]

1 . Marxist-Leninist-Maoism 11
2 . Kimism 11
3 . Reform Communism 8
4 . Stalinism 8
5 . Democratic Socialism 7
6 . Castroism 7
7 . Bookchinism 6
8 . Christian Socialism 6
9 . Guild Socialism 5
10 . Marxist-Leninism 5
11 . Council Communism 4
12 . Shachtmanism 4
13 . Progressivism 3
14 . Titoism 3
15 . Social Democracy 3
16 . Populism 2
17 . DeLeonism / Syndicalism 1
18 . Marxist Tendencies 1
19 . Trotskyism 0
20 . Left Communism -1
21 . Anarchism -2

Interesting results in my opinion but it really does need some more questions.

[iwwobblie]

1 . Anarchism 18
2 . Left Communism 11
3 . Council Communism 10
4 . Bookchinism 9
5 . Democratic Socialism 7
6 . Guild Socialism 7
7 . Marxist Tendencies 6
8 . DeLeonism / Syndicalism 6
9 . Trotskyism 5
10 . Titoism 4
11 . Populism 4
12 . Shachtmanism 4
13 . Progressivism 3
14 . Christian Socialism 2
15 . Reform Communism 2
16 . Marxist-Leninism 1
17 . Social Democracy 1
18 . Castroism 1
19 . Marxist-Leninist-Maoism 0
20 . Kimism -4
21 . Stalinism -5

[Matthew The Great]

This definatly needs tweaking but it is off to a pretty good start.

Keep at it&#33;



You may view the source of this program Here.
1 . Democratic Socialism 13
2 . Bookchinism 7
3 . Social Democracy 7
4 . Shachtmanism 7
5 . Guild Socialism 6
6 . Populism 6
7 . Progressivism 6
8 . Christian Socialism 6
9 . Reform Communism 5
10 . Anarchism 4
11 . Marxist-Leninist-Maoism 3
12 . Council Communism 3
13 . DeLeonism / Syndicalism 3
14 . Marxist-Leninism 3
15 . Kimism 3
16 . Left Communism 3
17 . Trotskyism 2
18 . Castroism 2
19 . Titoism 2
20 . Marxist Tendencies 0
21 . Stalinism -1

[Paradox]

My results:

1 . Council Communism 12
2 . Anarchism 11
3 . Democratic Socialism 10
4 . Bookchinism 10
5 . Guild Socialism 7
6 . Left Communism 7
7 . Populism 6
8 . Progressivism 6
9 . Shachtmanism 6
10 . Marxist Tendencies 5
11 . Trotskyism 5
12 . DeLeonism / Syndicalism 5
13 . Christian Socialism 4
14 . Social Democracy 4
15 . Marxist-Leninism 2
16 . Reform Communism 2
17 . Titoism 1
18 . Castroism 0
19 . Marxist-Leninist-Maoism -1
20 . Stalinism -5
21 . Kimism -5

Ahhh, the joys of Council Communism. :D

[encephalon]

I&#39;m actually looking for any suggested questions. I&#39;ve tended to stick to very basic ones, because I don&#39;t have sufficient knowledge to judge what each and every question would mean to each and every shade.. I&#39;ve stuck mainly to demolcratic vs. dictatorship and centralized/decentralized government and control.. as well as the even more basic ones, revolution vs. evolution, etc.

I&#39;ve recently fixed an error in the test (yesterday), and I have it documenting the results as well.. so if someone does get something wildly different than their "preferred ideology" (or whatever you want to call it), I can look into exactly qhy that happened.

As for putting questions on a scale of agreeing to not agreeing: I&#39;m trying to simplify it to a "for or against" mentality (thus the yes/no setup) to decrease ambiguity. The test isn&#39;t meant to define what a person is, but rather (once I finish building the page, let alone the test) to lead a person to resources of interest pertinent to their answers.

And I&#39;m having a hellish problem with the Bookchin thing. I&#39;m considering taking it out completely.

Zingu: I&#39;ve honestly no idea what happened there :D Most of the time, things close on the chart tend to be close in the results.. if you do the test again, and you get the same results, I can see what your answers were and figure out wtf went wrong there. I&#39;ve found one person whose first result was Democratic Socialism.. and the second was Kimism :P There&#39;s very obviously something very wrong happening in a few cases, and a little wrong in a lot of cases.

I&#39;m open to any suggestions.. or help. I&#39;m in no position to say exactly what principles someone who defines themself as a maoist follows.. thus the very basic line of questioning.

[Black Dagger]

encephalon, you need to remove the phrase &#39;evil&#39;, from,

"Is government inherently exploitative in any form, or just in certain cases or in certain hands?

A- Government is always evil."

As i mentioned on the previous page, you need to clarify what you mean by &#39;government&#39;. Is government meant to be a ruling elite? Or is government meant to be organisation by and for workers? Evil is a loaded/emotive word, why not just use the same language as the question itself, ie. "government is inherently exploitative"

[encephalon]

I&#39;ve changed the "evil" thing in the question itself to exploitative, actually.. I forgot to take it out of the answer part :P I&#39;m also replacing "government" with "state."

[bed_of_nails]

1 . Anarchism 9
2 . Marxist-Leninism 9
3 . Bookchinism 9
4 . Council Communism 8
5 . DeLeonism / Syndicalism 7
6 . Democratic Socialism 7
7 . Trotskyism 6
8 . Castroism 6
9 . Marxist-Leninist-Maoism 6
10 . Left Communism 6
11 . Kimism 5
12 . Marxist Tendencies 4
13 . Guild Socialism 3
14 . Titoism 3
15 . Shachtmanism 2
16 . Reform Communism 1
17 . Progressivism 1
18 . Populism 1
19 . Christian Socialism 0
20 . Social Democracy 0
21 . Stalinism -1 You may view the source of this program Here.



Every time I take this test I get different results. All of my results point to extremely left-wing, democratic choices (normally Bookchinism) but they never tell me the same thing. This is the first time I have gotten Anarchism.

Edit: I mean to show this is an interesting progression/monitoring system of how I feel about social issues.

[encephalon]

it might be noteworthy that I fixed an error in how it calculates the scores as well.. and if I recall correctly it did directly affect the anarchy field in particular.

[OleMarxco]

I labelled myself Titoist, and got these results :D

1 . Anarchism 7
2 . Council Communism 7
3 . Bookchinism 7
4 . Democratic Socialism 6
5 . DeLeonism / Syndicalism 6
6 . Titoism 6
7 . Christian Socialism 5
8 . Left Communism 5
9 . Reform Communism 4
10 . Shachtmanism 4
11 . Marxist-Leninist-Maoism 4
12 . Populism 4
13 . Marxist Tendencies 4
14 . Guild Socialism 4
15 . Castroism 3
16 . Progressivism 3
17 . Kimism 3
18 . Trotskyism 3
19 . Marxist-Leninism 2
20 . Social Democracy 2
21 . Stalinism 0

And yes, as alot of people have said, you should&#39;ve made more questions - Take heed to all ideas. Here&#39;s an idea: "If most the population is STILL mispleased with Communism even after they have achieved it, would you let them overthrow it or not"?;)

[encephalon]

I labelled myself Titoist, and got these results

Did you answer the questions as a titoist might? If not, then it&#39;s probably good that titoist didn&#39;t come in the top three places.. it means it was based more on your answers than your preference.

And if you are a titoist.. are you sure? :D If so I would think it needs more work.




And yes, as alot of people have said, you should&#39;ve made more questions - Take heed to all ideas. Here&#39;s an idea: "If most the population is STILL mispleased with Communism even after they have achieved it, would you let them overthrow it or not"?


Good question.. any idea what people that might proclaim themselves any one of the different shades would say? I&#39;d consider myself a council communist, and without the problems with the question (in a communist society, nobody could really stop them from overthrowing it..) I&#39;d say yeah.. most definitely, actually, if it&#39;s a mass social movement.

As soon as I get through this brutally busy period, I&#39;m probably going to at least double the number of questions.. first,. however, I&#39;m going to tweak the relevance to each shade in the current line of questioning. The more questions I have that aren&#39;t accurate in adding up the scores, the harder it will be to figure out which questions to fix

[NovelGentry]

My results.

1 . Council Communism 9
2 . Anarchism 7
3 . Trotskyism 7
4 . Marxist Tendencies 6
5 . Bookchinism 6
6 . Titoism 6
7 . Marxist-Leninist-Maoism 6
8 . Castroism 5
9 . DeLeonism / Syndicalism 5
10 . Marxist-Leninism 5
11 . Left Communism 5
12 . Guild Socialism 4
13 . Democratic Socialism 4
14 . Shachtmanism 3
15 . Christian Socialism 3
16 . Kimism 3
17 . Populism 2
18 . Progressivism 2
19 . Stalinism 1
20 . Reform Communism 0
21 . Social Democracy 0

Definitely agree it needs more questions.... I&#39;m not sure how you get that big of a spread and what not with as little as you have. Maybe I&#39;ll look at the source later.

[schumi]

1 . Marxist-Leninist-Maoism 11
2 . Left Communism 10
3 . Castroism 10
4 . Anarchism 8
5 . Marxist-Leninism 8
6 . Kimism 8
7 . Trotskyism 7
8 . Marxist Tendencies 6
9 . DeLeonism / Syndicalism 6
10 . Titoism 6
11 . Council Communism 6
12 . Stalinism 4
13 . Bookchinism 3
14 . Reform Communism 3
15 . Democratic Socialism 1
16 . Shachtmanism 0
17 . Guild Socialism 0
18 . Progressivism 0
19 . Populism 0
20 . Social Democracy -1
21 . Christian Socialism -2

its not very accurate is it?&#33; I don&#39;t consider myself even a little bit stalinist but still it has 4 points :ph34r:

[OleMarxco]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2005, 06:33 AM
Did you answer the questions as a titoist might? If not, then it&#39;s probably good that Titoist didn&#39;t come in the top three places.. It means it was based more on your answers than your preference.

Y&#39;all should renember to put in name at yer quotes. Nevertheless: Here&#39;s my response. I am not "five-nines" definately sure how a titoist "might" or "might not" answer: I think there is no definitive ANSWER how a titoist "should" answer (That sounds moralistic, feh&#39;sho&#33;) But I was pretty GODDAMN sure, from the description of Titoist, that THIS was of which I was. Independant both of the east and west. I liked that style, and, how Tito himself stabilized Yugoslavia while he were there, in "teh seat of power" - although I might oppose leaderships and favor direct democracy over that, they were a special case....unwilling to co-operate amongst themselves.

Anyknowhows for&#39;at, I can&#39;t see why it&#39;s a good thing then why "Titoist" did NOT come in the upper three-"places"? Huh, makes no sense why one doesn&#39;t want to be&#39;rat. But yeah, it&#39;s definately more dependant on the answer then one singely label of myself in the beginning of the start, yeah. For what means my self-percieved label of myself IN THE END, when I end up with something (not-so)"TOTALLY" different than&#39;rat? HO NOE&#33; I&#39;m gun&#39;pee ma&#39;seff - And I still don&#39;t know why if I weren&#39;t a titoist it was good titoist did NOT get "up there"? Yes, for that would mean the test was LYING :D

[encephalon]

ts not very accurate is it?&#33; I don&#39;t consider myself even a little bit stalinist but still it has 4 points

Wow.. you&#39;re test results are way out of wack, actually.. those are the results I&#39;m looking for :D Once I get enough of them I&#39;ll be able to figure out what went wrong, exactly. It&#39;s accurate for some, and completely stupid for others.

The number trailing each shade really is rather meaningless to anyone but me.. It&#39;s basically a remnant of what I use to order the results, and a "score" of 4 in stalinism doesn&#39;t really mean you have much of anything to do with stalinism itself. For instance, one person might get a score of 18 for their top result, we&#39;ll say leninism.. and another will get a score of "11" and it will still be on top. It&#39;s just the mean of the respective score divided by the total of all scores.. What mainly matters is the order in which each appear, and how much that corresponds with your answers.

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

I think it pretty much nailed me:

1 . Left Communism 15
2 . Anarchism 14
3 . Council Communism 10
4 . DeLeonism / Syndicalism 8
5 . Trotskyism 8
6 . Marxist-Leninist-Maoism 7
7 . Castroism 7
8 . Marxist-Leninism 6
9 . Titoism 6
10 . Bookchinism 5
11 . Marxist Tendencies 4
12 . Kimism 3
13 . Guild Socialism 3
14 . Democratic Socialism 2
15 . Populism 0
16 . Stalinism 0
17 . Reform Communism 0
18 . Shachtmanism 0
19 . Christian Socialism -1
20 . Progressivism -1
21 . Social Democracy -2

[Sir Aunty Christ]

My results:

1 . Council Communism 10
2 . Anarchism 10
3 . Left Communism 8
4 . Democratic Socialism 8
5 . Trotskyism 8
6 . DeLeonism / Syndicalism 7
7 . Bookchinism 7
8 . Marxist-Leninist-Maoism 6
9 . Marxist Tendencies 6
10 . Marxist-Leninism 6
11 . Castroism 6
12 . Titoism 4
13 . Kimism 3
14 . Guild Socialism 3
15 . Populism 1
16 . Shachtmanism 1
17 . Reform Communism 0
18 . Progressivism 0
19 . Social Democracy 0
20 . Stalinism 0
21 . Christian Socialism -2

I did this a few days ago and anarchism came up top. I hadn&#39;t really heard of council communism before but I read the summary and I like the idea.

[encephalon]

I hadn&#39;t really heard of council communism before but I read the summary and I like the idea.

Good&#33; Although the program is far from finished, that&#39;s essentially the point of it.

[chebol]

1 . Castroism 10
2 . Marxist-Leninist-Maoism 8
3 . Marxist-Leninism 8
4 . Marxist Tendencies 6
5 . Bookchinism 6
6 . Kimism 6
7 . Democratic Socialism 5
8 . Reform Communism 5
9 . Council Communism 5
10 . Stalinism 5
11 . Trotskyism 5
12 . Titoism 4
13 . Anarchism 4
14 . Left Communism 4
15 . DeLeonism / Syndicalism 4
16 . Shachtmanism 3
17 . Guild Socialism 1
18 . Progressivism 1
19 . Christian Socialism 1
20 . Social Democracy 0
21 . Populism 0

[Che1990]

Wel I took it and it said I&#39;m a Castroist which I am so maybe it does work.

[Purple]

1 . Democratic Socialism 14
2 . Bookchinism 10
3 . Populism 7
4 . Guild Socialism 7
5 . Progressivism 7
6 . Shachtmanism 7
7 . Anarchism 7
8 . Christian Socialism 6
9 . Council Communism 6
10 . Social Democracy 6
11 . DeLeonism / Syndicalism 5
12 . Left Communism 5
13 . Trotskyism 4
14 . Reform Communism 3
15 . Marxist Tendencies 4
16 . Marxist-Leninism 2
17 . Castroism 2
18 . Marxist-Leninist-Maoism 0
19 . Titoism 0
20 . Kimism -2
21 . Stalinism -4

[Taiga]

hmmmm....

1 . Anarchism 19
2 . Left Communism 9
3 . Bookchinism 9
4 . Council Communism 8
5 . Democratic Socialism 8
6 . Guild Socialism 7
7 . DeLeonism / Syndicalism 7
8 . Populism 7
9 . Shachtmanism 6
10 . Christian Socialism 6
11 . Trotskyism 5
12 . Progressivism 5
13 . Social Democracy 4
14 . Titoism 2
15 . Reform Communism 1
16 . Marxist Tendencies 1
17 . Castroism 0
18 . Marxist-Leninism 0
19 . Marxist-Leninist-Maoism -1
20 . Kimism -4
21 . Stalinism -6

[Le Libérer]

1 . Anarchism 9
2 . Bookchinism 8
3 . Christian Socialism 7
4 . Democratic Socialism 7
5 . Shachtmanism 5
6 . Guild Socialism 5
7 . Castroism 5
8 . Marxist-Leninist-Maoism 5
9 . Populism 5
10 . Marxist Tendencies 4
11 . Reform Communism 4
12 . Progressivism 4
13 . Council Communism 4
14 . Marxist-Leninism 4
15 . Left Communism 4
16 . Social Democracy 3
17 . Kimism 3
18 . DeLeonism / Syndicalism 2
19 . Titoism 2
20 . Trotskyism 2
21 . Stalinism -

I&#39;m curious how a capitalist would score taking this test.... interesting....

[RedAnarchist]

Re-taken this test - since the last time its been improved.

I labelled myself as an Anarchist.

Results -

1 . Anarchism 16
2 . Left Communism 10
3 . Council Communism 9
4 . Bookchinism 8
5 . Democratic Socialism 7
6 . Guild Socialism 6
7 . Titoism 5
8 . Marxist Tendencies 5
9 . DeLeonism / Syndicalism 5
10 . Trotskyism 4
11 . Shachtmanism 4
12 . Reform Communism 3
13 . Populism 3
14 . Marxist-Leninism 2
15 . Castroism 2
16 . Progressivism 2
17 . Christian Socialism 2
18 . Social Democracy 2
19 . Marxist-Leninist-Maoism 0
20 . Kimism -2
21 . Stalinism -3

[codyvo]

Like many of you I got Bookchin very high on my list but when I posted a topic about him in the History section, no one responded, I guess he just wasn&#39;t a very well known guy, he sounds interesting anyways.

[Sir Aunty Christ]

There&#39;s a whole thread on him. In History I think.

[More Fire for the People]

1 . Anarchism 13
I am not an anarchist nor am I a Bookchinite.
2 . Bookchinism 10



3 . Democratic Socialism 9
I do not see how this could make its way up so far on the list when I said that revolution not evolution was the means towards socialism.


4 . Council Communism 9
5 . Left Communism 8
6 . Castroism 8
7 . DeLeonism / Syndicalism 6
8 . Marxist Tendencies 5
Yes, theser are very correct except for I am not a dogmatic left-communist.



9 . Guild Socialism 5
10 . Marxist-Leninism 4
11 . Reform Communism 3
12 . Marxist-Leninist-Maoism 3
13 . Titoism 3
14 . Shachtmanism 3
15 . Kimism 1
16 . Trotskyism 1
17 . Christian Socialism 1
18 . Populism 1
19 . Social Democracy 0
20 . Progressivism 0
21 . Stalinism -3
These are realitvely un-important seeing as they are so far on the list so I don&#39;t have a comment on them except I would expect Maoism to be higher on the list.

[Red Heretic]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2005, 10:11 AM

The whole test is very biased and derogatory toward Maoists...

How so???? IF I&#39;ve worded something that makes maoism out to be derogatory, I&#39;d be happy to rephrase it if you have any suggestions.

Sorry it took me so long to respond, but let me mention a few things..

1. "Maoists tend to install corrupt regimes" -Bullshit. The People&#39;s Republic of China is the ONLY country that has ever followed a Maoist revolutionary line with the exception of what the masses in Peru and Nepal are doing today. Maoism is the evolution of Marxism Leninism that adds the understand that revolution will begin in the areas where class lines are the clearest, the third world. It also adds acceptance of criticism and self-criticalism.

2. Kimism IS NOT NOT NOT a form of Maosim. Moaists and Kimists are in SHARP CONTRADICTION with one another. Kimism advocates the building of "a self-reliant communist economy with an army in defense." It is isolationist and antagonistic toward world revolution.

3. Maoism on the compass should be the MOST revolutionary, even more than anarchism. Maoism advocates that revolution is the only solution, while anarchists often try to build sub-culture, and build their own own societies that coexist with capitalism.

4. Maoists do not "prefer" rural communities, but rather think that revolution will be started by the third world proletariat.

[encephalon]

Originally posted by makhno
Sorry it took me so long to respond, but let me mention a few things..

1. "Maoists tend to install corrupt regimes" -Bullshit. The People&#39;s Republic of China is the ONLY country that has ever followed a Maoist revolutionary line with the exception of what the masses in Peru and Nepal are doing today. Maoism is the evolution of Marxism Leninism that adds the understand that revolution will begin in the areas where class lines are the clearest, the third world. It also adds acceptance of criticism and self-criticalism.

2. Kimism IS NOT NOT NOT a form of Maosim. Moaists and Kimists are in SHARP CONTRADICTION with one another. Kimism advocates the building of "a self-reliant communist economy with an army in defense." It is isolationist and antagonistic toward world revolution.

3. Maoism on the compass should be the MOST revolutionary, even more than anarchism. Maoism advocates that revolution is the only solution, while anarchists often try to build sub-culture, and build their own own societies that coexist with capitalism.

4. Maoists do not "prefer" rural communities, but rather think that revolution will be started by the third world proletariat.


Okay.. how about this, then.. go here and edit the maoism section (and anyone else who has any problems with any definition), and I&#39;ll be sure to change it next time I update the test (probably in about 2 weeks):

The Red Wiki (http://www.redapollo.org/wiki/index.php/Maoism)

That&#39;s why I&#39;ve started that wiki.. so everyone can add to definitions and resources. I figured that&#39;d be a lot better than my limited knowledge and point of view.