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Hobo87
25th January 2005, 02:00
Capitalism has left the planet in a real ecological shit storm. The fish are barely edible and many are seen with high amounts of mercury within them. The U.K. health services has even suggested that one should only eat one or two a month! The salt levels found in freshwater because of dam production has left a lot of river water undrinkable along with chemicals from plants. Due to deforestation and pollution we are losing more species then we have since the ice age. If your asking how does this factors into capitalism? The governments allow corporations to do whatever they wish on the hopes of higher profits in the short run even if it will lead to ecological and human suicide. We must switch this ideaology if we want future generations to be able to enjoy what we have today.

Tiki Man
25th January 2005, 05:12
Yes, we humans are simply consuming everything we want to at the moment, and mass harvesting for profit is the primary cause. The larger the project, the larger the harvest, the more growth for the size of the project. It keeps getting worse and worse.

It was growing at a worse rate in the past, though.

Pawn Power
25th January 2005, 05:28
It is obvious that capitalists care nothing of the environment. Toppling capitalism will subsequently result in better environmental treatment.

pandora
25th January 2005, 07:52
It was not growing at a worse rate in the past because productivity is increasing, and productivity involves raw materials, and raw materials come from the Earth. So your statement is historically false. However, there were periods during initial colonization two centuries ago that massive deforestation took place, but we have not slowed down from this except that we ran out of trees to that extent :lol: that does tend to stop people from cutting, lack of trees.

A lot of the had to do with expansion and creation of farms in America and Africa as well as Latin America in the form of the hacienda, and often slavery as a means to work the land. The poor greedy Capitalists did have to have their productivity weakened at the end of slavery! Thank goodness, there are still people working the same fields often and living in substandard housing but at least they are not shipped across the Atlantic for months and beaten and shot if they stop, they just don't get paid and starve.

This is why I think that growing one's food, as a means to end dependence for native people from corporate work and pay is very important as part of bringing on the revolution. But in order to do this the people need to wrest back as much land as possible, and revert to traditional farming methods to end subsistance on petrochemical corporations and corporate machinery.

My friend in Nicarqua said that many people who are poor there subsist on root vegetables that grow wild on the mountains. These sort of communal lands where people can wild harvest are of utmost importance to the community and end dependence on oil, markets, many things. But these diets must be stabilized by the increase of seed and decrease of pavement. In a better world, there would be much more free spaces, and children would be taught to go through with seed in their hands that were local and nondestructive, so that there would be much food near towns and villages for forage.

I don't think we will go back in time, but there are still many small villages left in the world, not all the world lives in cities yet. And there should be rooftop gardens, and vegetable gardens throughout these as well, cars should be electric, government or banned in the city. Everyone should use public transit or bus. You could drive out of the city, but there would be public cars you would sign up for, and you would have to share and sign up with others making the same trip. The idea of millions of people driving alone in their automobiles is ridiculous. Usually going to work. Much of this would change as people began to work where they lived in their communities and for the benefit of the community.