Rice claims Cuba will be a part of War on terror

[Danielle]

I don't really know where to put this. But I thought I'd bring it up because it really pissed me off. Did anybody see Condoleesa Rice's speech from a few days ago were she stated that war with Cuba was a possibility? I was disgusted by it. Is this just big Cold War hangover? She sat there prior to Bush's Inguagration and simply stated that to stop tyranny around the world Cuba needed to be dealt with.
I know that America has been using biological warfare and terrorism against Cuba for years. But now full blown war seems to be on the agenda of the Bush adminstration.

[Colombia]

First Iran, then Venezuela, and now Cuba. Nothing surprising at all. What is with this biological warfare though?

[Danielle]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 02:39 PM
First Iran, then Venezuela, and now Cuba. Nothing surprising at all. What is with this biological warfare though?
The TB infected wetsuit that was given to Castro not to mention the release of the Denhue fever throughout Cuba.

[h&s]

Cuba's close to America. By claiming that Cuba is a threat the government is hoping that the people will think that the threat posed by 'terrorism' is close and real. Even though Cuba has nothing to do with 'Islamic' terrorism, if the people think that terrorism is a threat close to them, they are less likely to oppose action against 'terrorism' that is far away from them. It also gives the US justification to oppress Cuba further.

[RaisedFistRebel]

This is awful. The Bush Administration will make the people someway think that this is a good thing to do (like Iraq). Although, I highly doubt that the Bush Administration will have the time or money to do such a thing, with this mess in Iraq growing bigger and bigger.

But if in someway they do manage to war against Cuba, I will proudly fight alongsides of Castro-Guevera loyalists against the Imperial Force of the US.

[Anarchist Freedom]

I dont think the US has the resources to launch war on cuba.

[Taiga]

I&#39;m really tired of these Condomlisa and GWB&#39;s attempts to dictate everybody their own view on what the world should be. <_<

[h&s]

But if in someway they do manage to war against Cuba, I will proudly fight alongsides of Castro-Guevera loyalists against the Imperial Force of the US.
Why fight for the leaders when it would be the perfect opportunity to fight for the people?

[RaisedFistRebel]

You mean fight for the people of Cuba or USA?

[Danielle]

Originally posted by Anarchist [email protected] 24 2005, 03:01 PM
I dont think the US has the resources to launch war on cuba.
I feel the same way. George Orwell [my favourite writer] left England to fight Francou in the Spanish Civil war and the idea of supporting the Cuban people is in my mind.

[RaisedFistRebel]

exactly. just because you live in one country doesn&#39;t mean you can&#39;t support the people of another.

[RaisedFistRebel]

i see what you mean now h&s. i shouldnt fight for the idea of two leaders, but i should fight for the people of NOW, and fight for their freedoms and needs, instead of an ideal. i agree with that.

[existential1]

Casrto&#39;s fall at that University recently was a signal to the imperialists in power now in the United States, that they must hit Castro soon. His fall was a sign of weakness to them and a signal that Fidel&#39;s health may be deteriorating rapidly. I&#39;m sure these people see it easier to hit him while he&#39;s "weak" rather than wait for someone else to come to power, who may or may not be easy to strong arm or manipulate into accepting some of their ideas. Also, King George II has a grudge against Castro for nationalizing the sugar industry at a time that his grandfather owned a large percentage of that business. Bush has a lot of bones to pick and this is only one, so I am not sure how high on the priorty list Cuba is, but I can gurantee that it is below Iran and Syria, as the middle east is a good strategic location for our military and oil. While Cuba is already being used for military purposes, I percieve oil to be top priority at this current time.

"Do you wish him (Castro) a swift recovery?" (reporter asking vice president about Fidel&#39;s fall)
"NO." (Dick Cheney VP)

[bolshevik butcher]

I would question weather fighting would acutally get you further than protesting. I mena in a war Cuba would get crushed, where as if public opinion is high enough against the war, then the war will never happen.

[RaisedFistRebel]

But public opinion is bogus now. The Bush Administration makes you hear what you need to hear to support the war. There is no valid public opinion when propaganda is present.

[Theodore Bone]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 07:38 PM
But public opinion is bogus now. The Bush Administration makes you hear what you need to hear to support the war. There is no valid public opinion when propaganda is present.
does that mean you&#39;re opinion is void? Are you saying we have not minds of our own?

[Guerrilla22]

The Bush administration can&#39;t do shit. Everyone knows that the US is incapable of launching any sort of mddle to large scale military operation with all of the US troops tied up in Iraq, Afghanistan, Kosovo, and Bosnia.

[RABBIT - THE - CUBAN - MILITANT]

they would attack Cuba its to complicated a matter internationally then a war against Iran

[NovelGentry]

they would attack Cuba its to complicated a matter internationally then a war against Iran

And what about the rumors that Cuba supplies Iran with chemical/biological agents for WMDs? It&#39;s been made by the convervative side before. I have little doubt they&#39;ll link the two in either action.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

The US has used biological weapons against Cuba in other cases, too.

In 1971, the CIA dropped a bunch of African Swine Fever germs over the country, forcing the Cubans to kill 500,000 pigs.


Also, this might be wortwhile reading:


"On May 1981, at the Boyeros municipality in the Cuban capital, reports began of people sick with fever, ocular, abdominal and muscular pains, rashes, cephalalgia and asthenia frequently accompanied by multiple bleeding with different degrees of severity. A few days later, there was an outbreak of similar cases in the provinces of Cienfuegos, Holguin and Villa Clara, by then rapidly extending to the rest of the country.

The initial studies demonstrated that the first cases had appeared simultaneously in three places on the island at a distance of more than 300 kilometers one from the other. There was no epidemiological explanation that would allow to interpret these incidents as a natural infection.

Laboratory studies confirmed that the etiological agent was the dengue type 2 virus. The fact that the virus showed up unexpectedly, when no dengue-2 epidemic activity had been reported in the American continent or in any country with which Cuba had a significant exchange of personnel, as well as, its simultaneous appearance in different regions of the country are elements that back up the studies carried out by Cuban scientists of acknowledged prestige, with the co-operation of foreign scientists highly specialized in detecting and fighting biological aggression.

The exhaustive research and studies carried out led to the evidence that the epidemic was deliberately introduced in the national territory by agents at the service of the U.S. government. American experts in biological warfare had been the only ones who had obtained a variety of the Aedes aegypti mosquito, very much associated with the transmission of the type 2 dengue virus, according to a statement by Colonel Phillip Russell in the 14th International Congress on the Pacific Ocean, held in 1979, only two years before the outbreak of the brutal epidemic in Cuba."


http://www.seeingred.com/Copy/2.5_cubasuit3.html

[Danielle]

Possibly, with the above information you would wonder why America would need to resort to military action when they could continue down to road they&#39;re on, that not many people know about and just kill of Communism is Cuba through ruining their food supply and putting pressure on their health system. It&#39;s just disgusting.
I don&#39;t believe people can protest now and most people don&#39;t have the information on these issues to even be concerned with them. They&#39;ve been watching Fox news too long.

[Tupac-Amaru]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 03:25 PM

George Orwell [my favourite writer] left England to fight Francou in the Spanish Civil war
Acctually he was a reporter for a British newpaper and was sent down to Spain to report on the situation, but when he saw the situation there he chose to stay and fight.

But i take your point...i suppose i&#39;d also go fight for Cuba if there&#39;s a war with Amerikkka.

[fernando]

How would you get to Cuba then? I mean the US would probably put a blockade up or something, it&#39;s not like they would allow transports filled with soldiers and supplies to enter Cuba right?

Or would you attack US targets in your own country?

[Danielle]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2005, 12:27 PM
How would you get to Cuba then? I mean the US would probably put a blockade up or something, it&#39;s not like they would allow transports filled with soldiers and supplies to enter Cuba right?

Or would you attack US targets in your own country?
You have raised a good point. The only way to get to Cuba is by plane. By the time the war has started no civil aircraft will be allowed over Cuban airspace. I was thinking about that today actually. I don&#39;t know if I could bring myself to bomb somewhere regardless of how much I hated their actions. For instance,Even if the American governemnt set themselves up for the Terrorist attacks [via foreign policy,etc,etc.] it still doesn&#39;t make what Bin Laden did right.

[Anarchist Freedom]

People people people A war with cuba wont happen in the next 4 years we dont have the recources in the US the People are fucking sick of war and if we launched a war on cuba it could potentially hurt is where it hurts most at home. The goverment will always tell us lies the goverment can never be totally true to people or else pure chaos would ensue with half the shit they hide.

[Danielle]

Originally posted by Anarchist [email protected] 25 2005, 02:39 PM
People people people A war with cuba wont happen in the next 4 years we dont have the recources in the US the People are fucking sick of war and if we launched a war on cuba it could potentially hurt is where it hurts most at home. The goverment will always tell us lies the goverment can never be totally true to people or else pure chaos would ensue with half the shit they hide.
Judging by the amount of people who protested against the war when it started I don&#39;t think Bush cares much for public opinion. I don&#39;t think he cares if the American people don&#39;t want war. Most of them don&#39;t vote and some of the ones that do want war because it helps their oil investments.

[Exploited Class]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 07:35 AM
Did anybody see Condoleesa Rice&#39;s speech from a few days ago were she stated that war with Cuba was a possibility? I was disgusted by it. Is this just big Cold War hangover? She sat there prior to Bush&#39;s Inguagration and simply stated that to stop tyranny around the world Cuba needed to be dealt with.
Well yes it is a cold war hang over, but more importantly this is the momentum of the national pride and extreme patriotism movement of 9-11 hang over. Our cold war administration is a hang over from the cold war, Rumsfeld and Cheney were big cold war figures and this administration has tried on several occasions to reserrect fucking Henry A. Kissinger.

For Cuba her statements are just slander, attacks and trying to cement this administration&#39;s feelings towards Cuba, so as to bolster support from core republican supporters. America does not have the international political capital to do a pre-emptive attack against Cuba. Her statements are just big talk to motivate a percentage of the population that just hates cuba so very, very much. It allows this administration to look tough without doing a damn thing but yet gaining that respect and showing a clear difference from Clinton&#39;s administrative stances vs. Cuba.

Venezuala, however, should be scared. However, it should be noted, that with a recent failed back coup attempt on the US parts and a re-vote of confidance by the people, the US is going to have to start playing nice. Seeing how Venezuala makes up almost 30% of oil imports by US, anything that Venezuala does to that export will drastically effect Americas economy. Since the US is evidently impotent to stop the socialist take back of the oil production in Venezuala, they will have to be diplomatic.

Essentially, if you pay attention to the confirmation hearings, Rice makes some mean remarks of Venezuala, puts them down, shows the disdain, but then talks a lot about Mutual Benefits and Diplomatic Relations. Essentially, "We hate you so very very much and our administration calls evil on you, but we realize that you have us by the economic balls and can break us, let&#39;s trade."

The US coup attempt of the past was a "wish list" of things it would like to go its way. The US is very lucky that venezula has not decided to cut the US off to pay back. Venezuala is a poor country and doesn&#39;t have a bloated budget like the US and can go without revenue much longer than the US. A Rise in oil price in the US accounts for an inflation, consumer and whole sale price increases. In the 1970s the only time America has ever had a peace time inflation problem is when oil prices and availability was cut by an embargo by OPEC.

[bolshevik butcher]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 07:38 PM
But public opinion is bogus now. T he Bush Administration makes you hear what you need to hear to support the war. There is no valid public opinion when propaganda is present.
Ever heard of elections? If the public is really strongly against a war it won&#39;t happen. It&#39;s the whole point of elections.

[Anarchist Freedom]

Elections are pointless democracy is mob rule

[bolshevik butcher]

Originally posted by Anarchist [email protected] 25 2005, 03:57 PM
Elections are pointless democracy is mob rule
How is democracy mob rule, communism is all about "mob rule" as you call it. Anyway my point was that the "mob" would vote bu&#036;h out if the thought he&#39;s done something really bad.

[fernando]

Originally posted by Clenched Fist+Jan 25 2005, 03:47 PM--> (Clenched Fist @ Jan 25 2005, 03:47 PM)
[email protected] 24 2005, 07:38 PM
But public opinion is bogus now. T he Bush Administration makes you hear what you need to hear to support the war. There is no valid public opinion when propaganda is present.
Ever heard of elections? If the public is really strongly against a war it won&#39;t happen. It&#39;s the whole point of elections. [/b]
Did the people vote if they wanted a war or not? NO&#33;&#33;&#33; They vote for a person who can control them for 4 years and if they dont like the way they are controlled, they will vote for another guy 4 years later...

[Exploited Class]

Originally posted by Clenched Fist+Jan 25 2005, 08:58 AM--> (Clenched Fist @ Jan 25 2005, 08:58 AM)
Anarchist [email protected] 25 2005, 03:57 PM
Elections are pointless democracy is mob rule
How is democracy mob rule, communism is all about "mob rule" as you call it. Anyway my point was that the "mob" would vote bu&#036;h out if the thought he&#39;s done something really bad. [/b]
So you are taking into account the fact that he is on his last term as president, many of his administration is going to be retiring probably after this stint?

He can&#39;t be re-elected again, in 4 years he done. So now what is he beholden to? Impeachment in a republican controlled house and senate?

And when will the people get this opportunity to vote him out? The US doesn&#39;t have confidence votes, unless you know something I don&#39;t about government procedure with the executive branch.

[Danielle]

The Americans didn&#39;t have a choice in the war because even if Kerry was elected the war would continue. I doubt they would be threatening Cuba but Iraq would still be a war zone. It&#39;s certainly a choice but it&#39;s not a very good one for the people of Iraq.

[minusthebear]

Originally posted by Danielle+Jan 24 2005, 03:25 PM--> (Danielle @ Jan 24 2005, 03:25 PM)
Anarchist [email protected] 24 2005, 03:01 PM
I dont think the US has the resources to launch war on cuba.
I feel the same way. George Orwell [my favourite writer] left England to fight Francou in the Spanish Civil war and the idea of supporting the Cuban people is in my mind. [/b]
Aye, mate, Orwell really fought for Franco.....he was on the republicans side u ninny.

[Danielle]

Where did you hear that?

. Orwell is a Socialist.

[Tupac-Amaru]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2005, 08:51 PM

Aye, mate, Orwell really fought for Franco.....he was on the republicans side u ninny.
Dummass&#33; you just contradicted your self&#33;&#33;&#33; How can he have faught for Franco if he was in the Republican side? Franco was on the NATIONALIST side you foolio&#33;&#33;

Orwell faught with the International Brigade on the REPUBLICAN side&#33;&#33;&#33; :angry:

[bolshevik butcher]

Originally posted by Exploited Class+Jan 25 2005, 04:04 PM--> (Exploited Class @ Jan 25 2005, 04:04 PM)
Originally posted by Clenched [email protected] 25 2005, 08:58 AM

Anarchist [email protected] 25 2005, 03:57 PM
Elections are pointless democracy is mob rule
How is democracy mob rule, communism is all about "mob rule" as you call it. Anyway my point was that the "mob" would vote bu&#036;h out if the thought he&#39;s done something really bad.
So you are taking into account the fact that he is on his last term as president, many of his administration is going to be retiring probably after this stint?

He can&#39;t be re-elected again, in 4 years he done. So now what is he beholden to? Impeachment in a republican controlled house and senate?

And when will the people get this opportunity to vote him out? The US doesn&#39;t have confidence votes, unless you know something I don&#39;t about government procedure with the executive branch. [/b]
Exploited class, I was referring to the principles of elections, which is of the people choosing who runs the country. Not specificlly the U&#036; elections, which I agree aren&#39;tm ideal. The problem whith capitalist elections is that there is no recall, someone gets elected an does what they want for four years.

[cubalibra]

Bush won because the election was rigged. The black box electronic voting machines left no paper trail and were easily hackable to those who created the program. Let me quote the CEO of the black box electronic voting machines:

"I will guarantee Ohio for Bush."

Those who vote decide nothing, those who count the votes decide EVERYTHING.

[fernando]

And what if Kerry would have won? I read older campaign speeches from him here and he was more hostile towards Cuba and Venezuela than his Republican "counterpart" It doesnt matte who you vote for, it doesnt change anything, to quote Alec Empire: "World leaders choose world leaders, not democracy"

[demonedge]

I&#39;m truly not surprised that the current administration would want to go after Cuba. As to how to get there if a war happens, hmmmm I guess you could take a raft (heh it just might work). And you know? I can see bush re-writting laws allowing him to be re-elected. :angry:

[SubZ]

Has castro given any response to what rice said?. It would be very interesting since he will woop her ass.

[marxist_ryan]

Why do they want to invade a country where everyone is in support of the communist goverment?

[fernando]

I doubt that everyone is in support of the "communist" government there. But this not mean people would like to see a capitalist government taking power, I think some people might want a new government, but who are still socialist.

And why would the US do that? Look at US foreign policy in the past, they will make sure Latin American governments remain their loyal lap dogs.

[kellyk]

I agree, I don&#39;t think the US would risk ties with the other latin american nations. If they see the truth like all the other nations, there would be no one left to agree politely with them no matter what.

[SubZ]

hasent castro said anything about what she said?. damn i feel very dissapointed that my home country finland is a member of nato hope they say someting to the "biatch" rice when they meet.

[Des]

what is the general view of nations like - Russia,Spain,France,Germany,China,UK in regards to Cuba and Castro ?

would they support the US about cuba?

[POFO_Communist]

what is the general view of nations like - Russia,Spain,France,Germany,China,UK in regards to Cuba and Castro ?

would they support the US about cuba?

That is a simple question to answer. Russia, France, Germany and China would definately NOT support such a stance toward cuba.

Spain I&#39;m not sure, probably not, and the UK probably yes. They have been reduced to lapdog status, along with Australia and a few other lapdog nations.

I think it is especially bad that the UK is being so cute and cuddly toward the Americans, because this will serve as an obstacle to the EU, which would be an excelent counterbalance to US hegemonism, along with china and russia.

I think britain still retains too much pride in herself to be able to stand shoulder to shoulder with france and germany on common ground such as general EU policy.
Which of course doesn&#39;t explain britain&#39;s obvious love for bush&#39;s ass. Too much pride for one thing, but reduced to being a cheap whore for another.

Who knows how the future will pan out?

My best guess is, Iran and Syria will achieve eventual freedom from their tyrannical regimes by being occupied, invaded and raped by the US, and THEN, it will be Cuba&#39;s turn to feel the long hard thrust of American capitalist imperialism.

[Des]

if/when the usa decide to go after cuba - would any country such as russia,china,france etc do anything about it?

[bolshevik butcher]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2005, 02:54 PM
if/when the usa decide to go after cuba - would any country such as russia,china,france etc do anything about it?
Yes, they&#39;d be very angry and write a letter saying so.

[Edward Norton]

America has set itself on a campaign of ongoing war on many different countries and &#39;terrorist organisations&#39;. Key leaders in the Bush gov. have been very clear that this &#39;war on terror&#39; will last decades, after Sep. 11th 2001 VP Cheney said that the war would last around 50 years or so. This has been repeated many times after with other leading Neo-conservatives and gov. officials saying the same thing.

Many of your posts refer to the fact that Bush has 4 years left in office and that elections are coming up in 4 years. Bush will be replaced with another Republican or a pro-war Democrat like J. Kerry or J. Lieberman.

If you take Marxist/anarchist theories on imperialism and capitalism and apply them to understanding how society functions, you will see that it goes beyond personalities. As much as I hate Bush, he is not the root of all evil, not the cause of all problems/war/injustice in the world, the capitalist system as a whole is to blame for this. Bush is but one of many politicians that are in the pay of their corporate paymasters.

There are some on here who take the &#39;liberal&#39; view that the democracts are somehow better, they are NOT&#33; The Democrats voted for the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq, have called for &#39;intervention&#39; in Venezuela and Cuba and voted for the Patriot Act and have a bill in motion which would in effect bring back conscription.

Bush bashing is very popular amongst &#39;liberals&#39; and Democrats, because they can gain votes from the left, but without pointing out the real problems caused by imperialism/capitalism.

If the left wants to be heard and stand on its on feet, then it has to stop hanging on to the tails of the &#39;liberal&#39; bandwagon and put forward its own ideas and plans on imperialism and how to defeat it.

This means that we should stop thinking that without Bush everything will be put right, because there are many other politicians to take on after him.

We should forget US elections altogether as the capitalist elite will have their way regardless of ANY electoral outcome and imperialism will exist as LONG as capitalism will exist as they are interconnected.

A proletarian revolution in the US would be the most significant stage of a global communist revolution as it would take out the centre of global capitalism. But for a revolution to take place that means the internal contradictions in US society would have to become apparent and a massive economic crash in the US along with defeat of US imperialism in the countries the US oppresses.

US capitalism is global and is based upon the cheap labour/resources it steals from the third world. The third world needs to cut itself off from the US empire and by doing that it would cause the economic base of the US to collapse making the revolution a more concrete reality in the US.

Thats why it is essential to support ALL resistance to the US empire including the Iraqi resistance, the Nepali Revolution, the FARC and ELN in Colombia and many other groups fighting the US and its puppet regimes.

As capitalism is going into a steady but gradual decline (we have yet to reach crisis point) the US will become even more imperialistic, regardless of whether the Democrats or Republicans are in the White House, with or without Bush. The US will attack Cuba, Syria and N. Korea, but Iran seems to be the 1st target. But Cuba and Venezuela should not rely on either the Democrats or anti-war protests to stop any US invasion, as it did NOT stop the Afghan or Iraqi US invasions.

Active armed resistance in the countries that suffer US imperialism is the ONLY way they can liberate themselves from US imperialism.

Cuba and Iran will only be spared if the Iraqi resistance not only fights but EXPANDS its base and ability to kill US/UK troops and their Iraqi puppet collaborators.

[CommieDuK]

i dont think usa will attack cuba . But when Castro will die , i think USA ll do everythg to have a regime in cuba that support USA... even a war is possible after castro&#33;

[POFO_Communist]

I think its all one big mess. We as a species are limited in our capacity to function as a peaceful society on a regional, let alone global scale, when any sort of competition is involved.
Communism would solve everything.
Are we doomed to re-live history over and over again?
Unless we stop fucking each other over for mere profit, then I say we are.

[eQuaLiTy]

Which of course doesn&#39;t explain britain&#39;s obvious love for bush&#39;s ass. Too much pride for one thing, but reduced to being a cheap whore for another.

Tony Blair loves bush yes, but the UK population despises him along with the whole of Europe.

[fernando]

We dispise Bush for..his policies...funny that we liked Kerry eventhough he wanted practically the same, the Western World likes this system because it keeps them rich and then they just put the bad things on a scapegoat like Bush, all whining that Bush is such a bastard while still accepting his policies and even helping him...

[bolshevik butcher]

Edward Norton, I accept what your saying, but Bush was much more extreme, and unilateral then kerry.

[h&s]

Originally posted by Clenched [email protected] 31 2005, 03:23 PM
Edward Norton, I accept what your saying, but Bush was much more extreme, and unilateral then kerry.
In words only. Kerry would have had the intelligence not to tell the people when he&#39;s oppressing other countries. He wanted to extend America&#39;s influence further into South America, and he wanted to send more troops into Iraq than Bush did.

[bolshevik butcher]

Originally posted by h&s+Jan 31 2005, 03:26 PM--> (h&s &#064; Jan 31 2005, 03:26 PM)
Clenched [email protected] 31 2005, 03:23 PM
Edward Norton, I accept what your saying, but Bush was much more extreme, and unilateral then kerry.
In words only. Kerry would have had the intelligence not to tell the people when he&#39;s oppressing other countries. He wanted to extend America&#39;s influence further into South America, and he wanted to send more troops into Iraq than Bush did. [/b]
Good point, but what Bush&#39;s doing&#39;s even more worrying, because people like it.

[Blackberry]

Originally posted by Danielle+Jan 25 2005, 03:25 AM--> (Danielle @ Jan 25 2005, 03:25 AM)
Anarchist [email protected] 24 2005, 03:01 PM
I dont think the US has the resources to launch war on cuba.
I feel the same way. George Orwell [my favourite writer] left England to fight Francou in the Spanish Civil war and the idea of supporting the Cuban people is in my mind. [/b]
A pedantic point: George Orwell went to Spain for his journalist work. It was only when he arrived that he got caught up in the revolutionary fervour and decided that he should take part.

Anyway, on the situation in Cuba... I would imagine that it would be a lot more unpopular than the Iraq war, at least across the world, partly because the deceit that went on in Iraq, and partly because Cuba is hardly viewed as a threat. Support for such an invasion would be a touch more confined to pro-imperialist ideologues.

I don&#39;t expect Cuba to be invaded, anyway, as I&#39;m sure Bush and company have other nations, like Iran, that they would like to deal with first.

[fernando]

The US would probably do more something in the lines of a surgicanlsupport attack, nothing in the scale of Iraq, just send the maffia backed terrorists from Florida there with good weapons and some military support from the US (a bomb here and there) but not a whole big giant war.

[POFO_Communist]

Tony Blair loves bush yes, but the UK population despises him along with the whole of Europe.

By the UK I meant the current UK government, but more specifically the man in power. I should be more specific, sorry.

[POFO_Communist]

The US would probably do more something in the lines of a surgicanlsupport attack, nothing in the scale of Iraq, just send the maffia backed terrorists from Florida there with good weapons and some military support from the US (a bomb here and there) but not a whole big giant war.

Didn&#39;t the US already try this?

It failed miserably.


The imperialists could try an extended bombing campaign, whereby all of Cuba&#39;s infastructure and much of it&#39;s population would be destroyed. I&#39;m sure that would bring cherished freedeom and democracy to the cuban corpses lying in the streets.

I&#39;m sure something along those lines will happen to Iran, considering the fact that iran isn&#39;t exactly invasion friendly, with all the mountanous terrain and all. Iraq was basically designed to be invaded, the whole country is 99% flat.

I&#39;m getting tired of these fruitless debates people. Lets get together and actually make a difference. Lets plan and coordinate.

It is thorougly SAD when a tree hugging lefty chains himself up to a tree, to save that tree, ready to give his life. Sure, it is one way of fighting capitalism and corporate greed, but that same lefty never even considers chaining himself up to a pound of high explosives, and making a REAL difference. We must prove that capitalism doesn&#39;t work by openly dissenting. It doesn&#39;t matter how, as long as it&#39;s violent and bloody. That seems to be the only language capitalist imperialists understand.

[fernando]

The US tried this...but then without the backup, they just let the Batista criminals run back without any form of support, I think that this time they would give the support. Especially after Castro is dead there would be a small moment of instability, and that is the time for the Yanks to strike.

[Scumcat Esq.]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2005, 04:34 AM
I&#39;m getting tired of these fruitless debates people. Lets get together and actually make a difference. Lets plan and coordinate.
So this is a wise thought.

Someone (sorry too many posts) has asked if the countries like Russia, China etc. would protest against american invasion to Cuba. That&#39;s possible. But I strongly doubt that our leaders will go further than writing a letter. So we (even if we can&#39;t fly to Cuba and fight together with the citizens of the country) we should show our leaders the way we feel about the invasion: so manifestations, letters of protest sent to governments (even to the U.S.A.). Bush & Condolissa can&#39;t blame the whole world in terrorism just to justify their actions.

[fernando]

I think that is will be nessecary to also conduct actions against those who support the attacks on Cuba, so if lets say the UK would join in with the US to attack Cuba the UK would have declared war on us as well...

[fernando]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 02:35 PM
I don&#39;t really know where to put this. But I thought I&#39;d bring it up because it really pissed me off. Did anybody see Condoleesa Rice&#39;s speech from a few days ago were she stated that war with Cuba was a possibility? I was disgusted by it. Is this just big Cold War hangover? She sat there prior to Bush&#39;s Inguagration and simply stated that to stop tyranny around the world Cuba needed to be dealt with.
I know that America has been using biological warfare and terrorism against Cuba for years. But now full blown war seems to be on the agenda of the Bush adminstration.
Where di she claim this...do you have a link or something? It&#39;s not that I dont believe you, but I have to prove this to some right winges who are discussing this with me

[pandora]

But they didn&#39;t even make the axis of evil :lol:

Well I suppose neither did Venezuela, Columbia, or Afganistan, so perhaps that does not mean much.

I think they are just setting the ground work for a post-Castro sweep on Cuba. Castro actually has a lot of friends and support networks he has built over the years, for example with the French. They will try to start the "democratic election" crap after he passes is my guess.

[fernando]

With the return of the war criminals and maffia...great

[Sabocat]

Where di she claim this...do you have a link or something? It&#39;s not that I dont believe you, but I have to prove this to some right winges who are discussing this with me

You asked for it, you got it.


Here you go....try to hold the bile down, as you read this jingoistic pile of shit.

Text of Condoleeza Rice&#39;s remarks

By Associated Press | January 18, 2005

Thank you Chairman Lugar, Senator Biden, and Members of the Committee. And let me also thank Senator Dianne Feinstein who, as a fellow Californian, I have long admired as a leader on behalf of our state and our nation. Mr. Chairman, members of the Committee, it is an honor to be nominated to lead the State Department at this critical time a time of challenge and hope and opportunity for America, and for the entire world.

September 11, 2001 was a defining moment for our nation and the world. Under the vision and leadership of President Bush, our nation has risen to meet the challenges of our time: fighting tyranny and terror, and securing the blessings of freedom and prosperity for a new generation. The work that America and our allies have undertaken, and the sacrifices we have made, have been difficult and necessary and right. Now is the time to build on these achievements to make the world safer, and to make the world more free. We must use American diplomacy to help create a balance of power in the world that favors freedom. And the time for diplomacy is now.

I am humbled by President Bushs confidence in me to undertake the great work of leading American diplomacy at such a moment in history. If confirmed, I will work with members of Congress, from both sides of the aisle, to build a strong bipartisan consensus behind Americas foreign policy. I will seek to strengthen our alliances, to support our friends, and to make the world safer, and better. I will enlist the great talents of the men and women of the State Department, the Foreign and Civil Services and our Foreign Service Nationals. And if I am confirmed, I will be especially honored to succeed a man I so admire my friend and mentor, Colin Powell.

Four years ago, Secretary Powell addressed this committee for the same purpose I do now. Then as now, it was the same week that America celebrates the life and legacy of Doctor Martin Luther King, Jr. It is a time to reflect on the legacy of that great man, on the sacrifices he made, on the courage of the people he led, and on the progress our nation has made in the decades since. I am especially indebted to those who fought and sacrificed in the Civil Rights movement so that I could be here today.

For me, this is a time to remember other heroes as well. I grew up in Birmingham, Alabama the old Birmingham of Bull Connor, church bombings, and voter intimidation the Birmingham where Dr. King was thrown in jail for demonstrating without a permit. Yet there was another Birmingham, the city where my parents John and Angelena Rice and their friends built a thriving community in the midst of the most terrible segregation in the country. It would have been so easy for them to give in to despair, and to send that message of hopelessness to their children. But they refused to allow the limits and injustices of their time to limit our horizons. My friends and I were raised to believe that we could do or become anything that the only limits to our aspirations came from within. We were taught not to listen to those who said to us, "No, you cant."

The story of Birminghams parents and teachers and children is a story of the triumph of universal values over adversity. And those values a belief in democracy, and liberty, and the dignity of every life, and the rights of every individual unite Americans of all backgrounds, all faiths, and all colors.

They provide us a common cause in all times, a rallying point in difficult times, and a source of hope to men and women across the globe who cherish freedom and work to advance freedoms cause. And in these extraordinary times, it is the duty of all of us legislators, diplomats, civil servants, and citizens to uphold and advance the values that are the core of the American identity, and that have lifted the lives of millions around the world.

One of historys clearest lessons is that America is safer, and the world is more secure, whenever and wherever freedom prevails. It is neither an accident nor a coincidence that the greatest threats of the last century emerged from totalitarian movements. Fascism and Communism differed in many ways, but they shared an implacable hatred of freedom, a fanatical assurance that their way was the only way, and a supreme confidence that history was on their side.

At certain moments, it almost seemed to be so. During the first half of the 20th century much of the democratic and economic progress of earlier decades looked to be swept away by the march of ruthless ideologies armed with terrible military and technological power. Even after the allied victory in World War II, many feared that Europe, and perhaps the world, would be forced to permanently endure half enslaved and half free.

The cause of freedom suffered a series of major strategic setbacks: Communism imposed in Eastern Europe Soviet power dominant in East Germany the coup in Czechoslovakia ... the victory of the Chinese Communists ... the Soviet nuclear test five years before we predicted ... to name just a few. In those early years, the prospect of a united democratic Germany and a democratic Japan seemed far-fetched.

Yet America and our allies were blessed with visionary leaders who did not lose their way. They created the great NATO alliance to contain and eventually erode Soviet power. They helped to establish the United Nations and created the international legal framework for this and other institutions that have served the world well for more than 50 years. They provided billions in aid to rebuild Europe and much of Asia. They built an international economic system based on free trade and free markets to spread prosperity to every corner of the globe. And they confronted the ideology and propaganda of our enemies with a message of hope, and with the truth. And in the end though the end was long in coming their vision prevailed.

The challenges we face today are no less daunting. America and the free world are once again engaged in a long-term struggle against an ideology of tyranny and terror, and against hatred and hopelessness. And we must confront these challenges with the same vision, courage and boldness of thought demonstrated by our post-World War Two leaders.

In these momentous times, American diplomacy has three great tasks. First, we will unite the community of democracies in building an international system that is based on our shared values and the rule of law. Second, we will strengthen the community of democracies to fight the threats to our common security and alleviate the hopelessness that feeds terror. And third, we will spread freedom and democracy throughout the globe. That is the mission that President Bush has set for America in the world ... and the great mission of American diplomacy today.

Let me address each of the three tasks I just mentioned. Every nation that benefits from living on the right side of the freedom divide has an obligation to share freedoms blessings. Our first challenge, then, is to inspire the American people, and the people of all free nations, to unite in common cause to solve common problems.

NATO and the European Union and our democratic allies in East Asia and around the world will be our strongest partners in this vital work. The United States will also continue to work to support and uphold the system of international rules and treaties that allow us to take advantage of our freedom, to build our economies, and to keep us safe and secure.

We must remain united in insisting that Iran and North Korea abandon their nuclear weapons ambitions, and choose instead the path of peace. New forums that emerge from the Broader Middle East and North Africa Initiative offer the ideal venues to encourage economic, social and democratic reform in the Islamic world.

Implementing the Doha Development Agenda and reducing trade barriers will create jobs and reduce poverty in dozens of nations. And by standing with the free peoples of Iraq and Afghanistan, we will continue to bring hope to millions, and democracy to a part of the world where it is sorely lacking.

As President Bush said in our National Security Strategy, America "is guided by the conviction that no nation can build a safer, better world alone. Alliances and multilateral institutions can multiply the strength of freedom-loving nations." If I am confirmed, that core conviction will guide my actions. Yet when judging a course of action, I will never forget that the true measure of its worth is whether it is effective.

Our second great task is to strengthen the community of democracies, so that all free nations are equal to the work before us. Free peoples everywhere are heartened by the success of democracy around the globe. Together, we must build on that success.

We face many challenges. In some parts of the world, an extremist few threaten the very existence of political liberty. Disease and poverty have the potential to destabilize whole nations and regions. Corruption can sap the foundations of democracy. And some elected leaders have taken illiberal steps that, if not corrected, could undermine hard-won democratic progress.

We must do all we can to ensure that nations which make the hard choices and do the hard work to join the free world deliver on the high hopes of their citizens for a better life. From the Philippines to Colombia to the nations of Africa, we are strengthening counterterrorism cooperation with nations that have the will to fight terror, but need help with the means. We are spending billions to fight AIDS, tuberculosis, malaria and other diseases, to alleviate suffering for millions and help end public health crises.

America has always been generous in helping countries recover from natural disasters and today we are providing money and personnel to ease the suffering of millions afflicted by the tsunami, and to help nations rebuild their infrastructure. We are joining with developing nations to fight corruption, instill the rule of law, and create a culture of transparency. In much of Africa and Latin America, we face the twin challenges of helping to bolster democratic ideals and institutions, and alleviating poverty.

We will work with reformers in those regions who are committed to increasing opportunity for their peoples. And we will insist that leaders who are elected democratically have an obligation to govern democratically.

Our third great task is to spread democracy and freedom throughout the world. I spoke earlier of the grave setbacks to democracy in the first half of the 20th century. The second half of the century saw an advance of democracy that was far more dramatic. In the last quarter of that century, the number of democracies in the world tripled. And in the last six months of this new century alone, we have witnessed the peaceful, democratic transfer of power in Malaysia, a majority Muslim nation, and in Indonesia, the country with the world&#39;s largest Muslim population. We have seen men and women wait in line for hours to vote in Afghanistan&#39;s first ever free and fair presidential election.

We and I know you Mr. Chairman -- were heartened by the refusal of the people of Ukraine to accept a flawed election, and their insistence that their democratic will be honored. We have watched as the people of the Palestinian Territories turned out to vote in an orderly and fair election. And soon the people of Iraq will exercise their right to choose their leaders, and set the course of their nation&#39;s future. No less than were the last decades of the 20th century, the first decades of this new century can be an era of liberty. And we in America must do everything we can to make it so.

To be sure, in our world there remain outposts of tyranny and America stands with oppressed people on every continent ... in Cuba, and Burma, and North Korea, and Iran, and Belarus, and Zimbabwe. The world should apply what Natan Sharansky calls the &#39;&#39;town square test&#39;&#39;: if a person cannot walk into the middle of the town square and express his or her views without fear of arrest, imprisonment, or physical harm, then that person is living in a fear society, not a free society. We cannot rest until every person living in a &#39;&#39;fear society&#39;&#39; has finally won their freedom.

In the Middle East, President Bush has broken with six decades of excusing and accommodating the lack of freedom in the hope of purchasing stability at the price of liberty. The stakes could not be higher. As long as the broader Middle East remains a region of tyranny and despair and anger, it will produce extremists and movements that threaten the safety of Americans and our friends.

But there are hopeful signs that freedom is on the march. Afghanistan and Iraq are struggling to put dark and terrible pasts behind them and are choosing the path of progress. Just months ago, Afghanistan held a free and fair election, and chose a president who is committed to the success of democracy and to the fight against terror. In Iraq, the people will soon take the next step in their journey toward full, genuine democracy. All Iraqis, whatever their faith or ethnicity from Shias to Sunnis to Kurds must build a common future together. The election later this month will be an important first step as the people of Iraq prepare to draft a constitution and hold the next round of elections elections that will create a permanent government.

The success of freedom in Afghanistan and Iraq will give strength and hope to reformers throughout the region, and accelerate the pace of reforms already under way. From Morocco to Jordan to Bahrain, we are seeing elections and new protections for women and minorities, and the beginnings of political pluralism. Political, civil, and business leaders have issued stirring calls for political, economic and social change. Increasingly, the people are speaking, and their message is clear: the future of the region is to live in liberty.

And the establishment of a Palestinian democracy will help to bring an end to the conflict in the Holy Land. Much has changed since June 24th, 2002, when President Bush outlined a new approach for America in the quest for peace in the Middle East, and spoke the truth about what will be required to end this conflict. Now we have reached a moment of opportunity and we must seize it.

We take great encouragement from the elections just held for a new Palestinian leader. And Senators Biden and Sununu, I want to thank you for representing the United States at these historic elections. America seeks justice and dignity and a viable, independent, and democratic state for the Palestinian people. We seek security and peace for the State of Israel. Israel must do its part to improve the conditions under which Palestinians live and seek to build a better future. Arab states must join to help and deny any help or solace to those who take the path of violence.

I look forward to personally working with the Palestinian and Israeli leaders, and bringing American diplomacy to bear on this difficult but crucial issue. Peace can only come if all parties choose to do the difficult work, and choose to meet their responsibilities. And the time to choose peace is now.

Building a world of hope, prosperity and peace is difficult. As we move forward, America&#39;s relations with the world&#39;s global powers will be critical. In Russia, we see that the path to democracy is uneven and that its success is not yet assured. Yet recent history shows that we can work closely with Russia on common problems. And as we do so, we will continue to press the case for democracy, and we will continue to make clear that the protection of democracy in Russia is vital to the future of US-Russia relations.

In Asia, we have moved beyond the false assumption that it is impossible to have good relations with all of Asia&#39;s powers. Our Asian alliances have never been stronger and we will use that strength to help secure the peace and prosperity of the region. Japan, South Korea, and Australia are key partners in our efforts to deter common threats and spur economic growth. We are building a candid, cooperative and constructive relationship with China that embraces our common interests but still recognizes our considerable differences about values. The United States is cooperating with India, the world&#39;s largest democracy, across a range of economic and security issues. This, even as we embrace Pakistan as a vital ally in the war on terror, and a state in transition towards a more moderate and democratic future.

In our own neighborhood, we are cooperating closely with Canada and Mexico, and working to realize the vision of a fully democratic hemisphere, bound by common values and free trade.

We also must realize that America and all free nations are facing a generational struggle against a new and deadly ideology of hatred that we cannot ignore. We need to do much more to confront hateful propaganda, dispel dangerous myths, and get out the truth. We will increase our exchanges with the rest of the world. And Americans should make a serious effort to understand other cultures and learn foreign languages.

Our interaction with the rest of the world must be a conversation, not a monologue. And America must remain open to visitors and workers and students from around the world, without compromising our security standards. If our public diplomacy efforts are to succeed, we cannot close ourselves off from the world. And if I am confirmed, public diplomacy will be a top priority for me and for the professionals I lead.

In all that lies ahead, the primary instrument of American diplomacy will be the Department of State, and the men and women of its Foreign and Civil Services and Foreign Service Nationals. The time for diplomacy is now and the President and I will expect great things from America&#39;s diplomatic corps.

We know from experience how hard they work, the risks they and their families take, and the hardships they endure. We will be asking even more of them, in the service of their country, and of a great cause. They will need to develop new skills, and rise to new challenges. This time of global transformation calls for transformational diplomacy. More than ever, Americas diplomats will need to be active in spreading democracy, fighting terror, reducing poverty, and doing our part to protect the American homeland. I will personally work to ensure that America&#39;s diplomats have all the tools they need to do their jobs from training to budgets to mentoring to embassy security.

I also intend to strengthen the recruitment of new personnel, because American diplomacy needs to constantly hire and develop top talent. And I will seek to further diversify the State Department&#39;s workforce. This is not just a good cause; it is a necessity. A great strength of our country is our diversity. And the signal sent to the rest of the world when America is represented abroad by people of all cultures, races, and religions is an unsurpassed statement about who we are and what our values mean in practice.

Let me close with a personal recollection. I was in government in Washington in 1989 to 1991. I was the Soviet specialist in the White House at the end of the Cold War. I was lucky to be there, and I knew it. I got to participate in the liberation of Eastern Europe. I got to participate in the unification of Germany and to see the Soviet Union collapse. It was a heady time for us all. But, when I look back, I know that we were merely harvesting the good decisions that had been made in 1947, in 1948, and in 1949, when Truman and Acheson and Vandenberg and Kennan and so many wise and farsighted statesmen in the Executive and Legislative branches recognized that we were not in a limited engagement with communism, we were in the defining struggle of our times.

Democrats and Republicans united around a vision and policies that won the Cold War. The road was not always smooth, but the basic unity of purpose and values was there and that unity was essential to our eventual success. No President, and no Secretary of State, could have effectively protected American interests in such momentous times without strong support from the Congress, and from this Committee. And the same is true today. Our task, and our duty is to unite around a vision and policies that will spread freedom and prosperity around the globe. I have worked directly with many of you. And in this time of great challenge and opportunity, Americas co-equal branches of government must work together to advance freedom and prosperity.

In the preface to his memoirs, published in 1969, Dean Acheson wrote of the post-war period that &#39;&#39;those who acted in this drama did not know, nor do any of us yet know, the end.&#39;&#39; Senators, now we know and many of us here bore witness to that end. The end was a victory for freedom, the liberation of half a continent, the passing of a despotic empire and vindication for the wise and brave decisions made at the beginning. It is my greatest hope and my deepest conviction that the struggle we face today will some day end in a similar triumph of the human spirit. And working together, we can make it so. Thank you.

[Wilden]

im discusted on how america thinks it can govern the world.

if they declare war on cuba i will go there myself to help the cuban people

i may only be 16, but my heart will be in this, i hope some of you feel the same way and will support the cuban people

[fernando]

Big words...but what will you do? Nobody has really given my a satisfactory answer for this question, wil you actually jump on a small boat while the US is attacking Cuba? Do you actually believe the Yanks would let you in? What if the Cuban people dont want to be helped? I mean many users here will say that all the Cuban people are behind Castro because they heard so or read somewhere, but what if it&#39;s like in Iraq (100% of the population voted for Saddam).

But what I really want to know is: what will you do when the US does attack Cuba?

[POFO_Communist]

But what I really want to know is: what will you do when the US does attack Cuba?

Openly laying out my plans for you would kind of undermine them....wouldn&#39;t it?

Yes, thats right, I have plans.....

[Ian]

car bomb... US embassy... Ian...

[seraphim]

Acts of terrorism nice

[Ian]

wait... did i post in this thread?

[Danielle]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2005, 09:32 PM
Big words...but what will you do? Nobody has really given my a satisfactory answer for this question, wil you actually jump on a small boat while the US is attacking Cuba? Do you actually believe the Yanks would let you in? What if the Cuban people dont want to be helped? I mean many users here will say that all the Cuban people are behind Castro because they heard so or read somewhere, but what if it&#39;s like in Iraq (100% of the population voted for Saddam).

But what I really want to know is: what will you do when the US does attack Cuba?
You have a good point. You won&#39;t be able to get into Cuba when this war starts. It&#39;s not like you can get in a plane and go over. It&#39;s an island. There won&#39;t be a doestic areoplane source It will be impossible to help the Cuban people if you aren&#39;t in the country when the war starts.

[fernando]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 10:56 AM

But what I really want to know is: what will you do when the US does attack Cuba?

Openly laying out my plans for you would kind of undermine them....wouldn&#39;t it?

Yes, thats right, I have plans.....
Well that is good that you already have plans, but from what I see here is that everybody will say that they will go to Cuba to fight against the US Imperialists, but how would you do that when the attack has started? Also if you want to be there before the attack you would sort of know when the attack is going to happen, I dont think the Americans would just say like: "we will start our attack on the 31st of august" for example.

[Anarchist Freedom]

Thought war with cuba is scary. It would affect us too much there 90 miles away from us they could easily fuck us up with something Thought I dont know how good cubas military is. The us goverment is too exhausted to launch another war our goverment is in a massive defecit. The Us military is running low on soldiers we Cant pull any more soldiers from iraq afganistan or anywhere else in the world the Us military is scraping the bucket for people right now.


Its soo bad that my High school every day of the week is recruiting and walking around during lunch handing out pamphlets.They on a regular basis give me shit.Im a known leftists at my school. I was wearing a shirt with the Anarchy sign/hammer and sickle on it and they had the balls to walk up to me while I was buying a juice and say hey you should think about joining the marines&#33;&#33;&#33; There desperate enough to try and recruit my ass now cmon what good am I???

[Des]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 02:56 PM

I dont think the Americans would just say like: "we will start our attack on the 31st of august" for example.


sure they did that with iraq.. they have the date they would start bombing etc did they not?

[Scumcat Esq.]

Agree. The US Army won&#39;t attack suddenly. First, the government of the U.S.A. will issue an ultimatum or something like that... And at that time it&#39;ll be still possible to arrive to Cuba.
When they were preparing for the war in Iraq it was clear that the war would start. The exact date wasn&#39;t known but its coming could be felt. So when the U.S.A. start searching for reasons to justify their intervention - that&#39;s the time to pack bags. Anyway it takes some time to get ready for resistance against assault. So there&#39;s almost no point in arriving after the war has already started.

But somwhere was a good question whether the Cubans want anybody to help them?

[fernando]

I asked that, Im very curious about that. I mean Fidel has done good things but also less good things, do you think it is good for the same leader to rule for about 50 years? Im not saying that we should have an US lapdog in power now, but perhaps it is time for the younger generation to take over? Keep the Revolution alive which seems so "ancient" for this generation of Cuban children I think.

But ok...about that date of attack, do you think the war against Cuba will be like the war against Iraq? Im more thinking in the direction of the US sending all it&#39;s Miami maffia terrorists scumbags there, some quick coup attempt with back up, not the whole army stationed there with this giant invasion force. But that is just me speculating

[POFO_Communist]

Fernando wrote:

Well that is good that you already have plans, but from what I see here is that everybody will say that they will go to Cuba to fight against the US Imperialists, but how would you do that when the attack has started? Also if you want to be there before the attack you would sort of know when the attack is going to happen, I dont think the Americans would just say like: "we will start our attack on the 31st of august" for example.

I will not confront the US military head on on cuban soil. I will probably die in an air raid or missile attack 10km from the nearest marine I can pop. US troops have turned into pussies due to their constant ovewhelming odds and will only engage in mopping up operations after their long range weaponry has laid waste to potential enemies.

So I will hit them where it hurts most, on their own soil. Military assets and government centres would make ideal targets.


But ok...about that date of attack, do you think the war against Cuba will be like the war against Iraq? Im more thinking in the direction of the US sending all it&#39;s Miami maffia terrorists scumbags there, some quick coup attempt with back up, not the whole army stationed there with this giant invasion force. But that is just me speculating

I envision a lighting attack with minimum warning. Cuba is extremely close to the US mainland. Precision bombings would form the backbone of any US attack. An amphibious invasion would be quite easy, the cuban coast line is low and flat.

Just secure the air above the beaches and you&#39;ve secured the ground. Then send in the marines and go from there with minimal losses.

I&#39;m afraid cuba is screwed in this respect. Any us invasion would succeed. But any US occupation would fail miserably.