Is there no irony?

[trex]

As we sit here discussing Che's triumphs and life, and all that good stuff, some elderly white American male is laughing his head off because he has made a fortune selling Che Guevara apparel...to anti-capitalists.

[seraphim]

A very good point but the jokes on the white american for resorting to anti capitalist images to make gain in a capitalist society

[Danielle]

No, I disagree. The jokes on the anti capitalist who buys it. The theory that Capitalism has no morals or doctrine apart from the attainment of wealth is true to me. Every Che t shirt is just another symbol of their moneylust. What annoys me even more is the simplefact that those t shirts are usually made in China. The children in that country [and others like it] are being used to prop up the Capitalist lifestyle while they rot away into non existance.

[David "Che" Klein]

Danielle: You are right! well said...

And the worst thing is that what Che hated the most, capitalism, is what publishes him. His ideals are the opposite of having his face on every t-shirt in order to make the Americans richer. It disapoints me... but well, It is our task to ensure that other values, like to be humble, stay in existance.

[Anarchist Freedom]

They are setting themselves up for failure.People in china may be working in factories but im going to say this what else would they be doing without these jobs?

[Danielle]

Originally posted by Anarchist [email protected] 24 2005, 03:19 PM
They are setting themselves up for failure.People in china may be working in factories but im going to say this what else would they be doing without these jobs?
There is truth to that. But I wonder if these people would as oppresed as they are if they weren't creating the Capitalist delights for the world. Even if they were in worst state than what they are now if the slave labour stopped it doesn't matter those people have the right to good working conditions. The only reason countries who have slave labour have such a poor populace is because globally the wealth is not being distributed properly anyway.

[Taiga]

People in china may be working in factories but im going to say this what else would they be doing without these jobs?
Sad but true. The real irony of life is that sometimes we haven't much choice while living in a capitalist society(and China is rather capitalist in my view). When your children ask to eat -- you go and work at the sweatshops.
It should be eliminated. <_< Definitely.

[trex]

Some of these anti-capitalist teens say " I&#39;m going to fight they system by wearing Che t-shirts and putting a Che poster up in my room&#33;", when in reality they are doing thier part to fuel it. A true commie would make thier own Che apparel&#33;

[RaisedFistRebel]

I like to think about the made in China deal as sabotage. You have to use the system to break it. RATM used sony music to put out their message, and they might have supported a corporation, but they also sold more copies then they would have with volcano records. Chinese children might be exploited in the making of the shirts, but it will eventually pay off.....

[encephalon]

I&#39;m just copying part of another post to another similar subject. Wow, this is called into question quite often. Even if everything else about dialectical materialism is dead wrong, I think this remains true: the ruling class creates the weapon that destroys it from within.



Even if they don&#39;t know what communism really is or what che did, kids wear his face on their shirt in the heart of the enemy itself. That, I think, is the most important work of Che, even if he was not the ideal. None of us are. Through Che alone, people will discover communism in the most capitalist society to date. By infiltrating pop culture, he has made it widely available to anyone curious as to why his face is on a t-shirt in the first place. Before Che, communism played no part in pop culture oither than a convenient and blurred enemy that could lurk around the corner, waiting to just bomb little kids all to hell. For many, Che alone dispelled that myth. His revolutionary work, though many might debate this, furthered the cause of revolution much more than lenin or the USSR as a whole. With Che, communism no longer was just a vague political issue. It not only went into people&#39;s minds, in whatever fashion the capitalists wanted to make it out to be, but into their hearts. He successfully altered the collective consciousness of society itself, and cleared a path to revolution not available before, whether he intended it or not. By making his own life a commodity for the masses--the one thing that people desire under capitalism more than anything--he has furthered global revolution unlike anyone else.

[encephalon]

oh.. and concerning the chinese..

They may not quite be communist, and in fact rather authoritarian state capitalist, but they are setting themselves up to own the global means of production&#33; They might not be the best communists, but they&#39;re quite affluent marxists.