What did Che think about individualism?

[David "Che" Klein]

In one of Che's letter's to his mother he wrote that the most horrible value a person can posses in individualism and self-centerness. Further than what this letter says, can someone tell me what were his further beliefs in individualism???

Thanks!

[SpeCtrE]

Indvidualism is how a person acts, wether he is selfish or not.

I think che Himself said Indvidualism Must disapear

[STI]

Well, Che may have said that, I don't know.

Let's assume he did. What was he trying to create? What was he trying to create it from? How does that contrast to what we are trying to do?

Che was fighting for socialism with a highly-centralized state. He was trying to do it in small, third-world countries, most of which were under some kind of imperialist domination.

Contrast that to our situation. Most of the people on this board are from the US, Britain, Ireland, Canada, Western Europe, Australia, and New Zealand. There are, of course, exceptions to this, but you'll find that a vast majority of active, long-term members live in one of the above places. Neither of those countries is in a situation even remotely similar to Cuba, Bolivia, or the Congo. We really can't take the stuff he said "at face value". A lot of what he said isn't even relevant to what we want to do.

[SpeCtrE]

You have a point man, I know most are from the so called western countries.

But let me tell you why. It is because the technological exposure necessary in participating in this website is not equal for every one. You probably live in some western country, you eat hamburgers for lunch, go to the cinema and surf porn websites paying to them through credit cards and enjoy everything that is the result of the capitalist economy. But how do you expect a man from the undeveloped and still developing countries, who has to work for 16 hours in some plantation owned by some white guy or his willing black bosses to earn only what you would usually spend in a fancy restaurant on saturday night. And still he may have to borrow to feed his children and pay the bills. ( this is the case in Zimbabwe, where Mugabe is...)

So, If you see that almost everyone is from US, Britain, Ireland, Canada, Western Europe, Australia, and New Zealand... etc. Don't be that amazed.

And, I am from the third world. The Exploited continent, so, I guess I will take what he said at face value. Most of it.....anyway. And I will try to become the activest person here. Rest assured on that.

[STI]

But let me tell you why. It is because the technological exposure necessary in participating in this website is not equal for every one. You probably live in some western country, you eat hamburgers for lunch, go to the cinema and surf porn websites paying to them through credit cards and enjoy everything that is the result of the capitalist economy. But how do you expect a man from the undeveloped and still developing countries, who has to work for 16 hours in some plantation owned by some white guy or his willing black bosses to earn only what you would usually spend in a fancy restaurant on saturday night. And still he may have to borrow to feed his children and pay the bills. ( this is the case in Zimbabwe, where Mugabe is...)

I wasn't saying it as in "Holy crap! Look at all the people here from the west". It makes sense that people apply ideas to how the struggle 'is looking' from 'where you're standing'. I know the cause of the lack of third-world members, but that wasn't the pointI was bringing up. The point was that, just because Che said it, doesn't mean it's relevant or useful to the struggle of most of the members of this board (because of the dramatically different material conditions).


And, I am from the third world. The Exploited continent, so, I guess I will take what he said at face value. Most of it.....anyway. And I will try to become the activest person here. Rest assured on that.

Well, it's certainly great that we have third-world representation here. I commend you for finding your way over here to revleft.

But, we have to think critically. What are the odds of an actual communist revolution in Africa within the next, say, 50 years? What are the odds of a socialist revolution? Why is there a difference? Why is it more/less likely for these to occur in Africa than the 'developed world'? What is the best way to deal with and act based on the answers to those questions?

And so on.

[SpeCtrE]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2005, 07:54 PM






But, we have to think critically. What are the odds of an actual communist revolution in Africa within the next, say, 50 years? What are the odds of a socialist revolution?
Man, I don't know that. Neither how to answer to that. But it seems to me that you have something to say. Would you fill me in?

[Big Boss]

The odds are against us. It is highly difficult to achieve a socialist revolution anywhere in the world because WE are basicly survivors in a capitalist world. Another point is the existence of the paranoid US goverment that will NOT allow another Communist take over no matter what happens. That is the reason that Che died and why the US wanted to kill him. That is also the reason why the US is still atacking Cuba through an embargo and the terrorist attacks of the past and possibly the present. That is also the reason why Jacobo Arbenz's goverment was destroyed in Guatemala because of his agrarian reforms. The reason also why Salvador Allende's goverment was destroyed and himself killed because of his agrarian reforms in Chile. All this done by the US goverment, the superpower. Oh yeah, the guy that the US selected to be the succesor of Allende was the worst piece of shit that has ever passed through Chile: Augusto Pinochet, the dictator who commited acts of genocide for the fun of it. He is reputed to have been worst than Sadam. Also, to eliminate the marxist guerrillas fighting for freedom in El Salvador, the US goverment backed the neo-fascist goverment existing there. Because of all the money and arms that the US has sended there, more than 70,000 innocent people have died. Mostly women and children suspected of being Communists. This is a fact: so long as the US goverment's policy against Communism exists our revolution will never be a reality.

[UtopicImperium]

This is what Che said about the "New Man" he wanted to create in Cuba:

"Individualism as such, as the isolated action of a person alone in a social environment, must diseppear in Cuba. Individualism tomorrow should be the proper utilization of the whole individual at the absolute benefit of the community"

What he meant about "Individualism must disappear" is not about everybody thinking the same or acting the same, he encoraged those traits. What he meant is that one should stop thinking about their own personal benefit, and think in a larger scale to not only benefit yourself, but try to do something good for the whole community.

[Big Boss]

That is the core of Communism, comrade.

[SpeCtrE]

I agree with Fervent Guerrila