Inaugeration pepper spray

[RedCeltic]

On January 20, 2005, while George W. Bush was being sworn in again, I headed down to Washington DC to film the protests that surrounded the Inauguration. There were thousands of protesters along the inaugural parade rout, although they did not reach the inflated numbers of 100,000 protesters as CNN had reported at one point, it was nowhere near as little as 500 protesters as Bill O’Reilly had fabricated spitefully.

A group of inexperienced National Park Police dressed like storm troopers, became extremely nervous and trigger happy when protesters managed to lift a section of the security fence that blocked protesters from getting closer to the motorcade. The result was that latter on, amid insults to the police and chants of, “The inauguration if a funeral” and “1,2,3,4 we don’t want your Fucking war” the police started pepper spraying anyone and everyone, myself included.

The following link to a very short video clip on Indymedia is of me being shot in the face with pepper spray, simply for being near the police with a camera.

http://hm.indymedia.org/usermedia/video/4/...ray_fiasco2.wmv (http://hm.indymedia.org/usermedia/video/4/peppes_spray_fiasco2.wmv)

I was sprayed a total of three times… and the only word I can use to describe the experience is PAINFUL.

[praxus]

What does "dressed like storm troopers" mean?

[FatFreeMilk]

I think he means they were dressed like storm troopers.

The link isn't working.

[Encrypted Soldier]

You should make a few copies of the whole video, post them around the internet, and send some copies to CNN, BBC, NBC, and other news stations.

This could get the public outraged against Bush and there could be more protests because of this.

Maybe you even should sue the Police that were involved there.

[Exploited Class]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2005, 12:43 AM
The following link to a very short video clip on Indymedia is of me being shot in the face with pepper spray, simply for being near the police with a camera.

I was sprayed a total of three times… and the only word I can use to describe the experience is PAINFUL.
Are you sure you were peppered sprayed and not peppered hosed?

What was that, a god damn cannon?

Well at least America is spreading freedom and democracy around the globe, with this kind of democracy who needs tyranny?

And seeing the fence up, I have to ask. Were you in a freedom zone? If so, and you were in a little fenced in area just for protesters, spraying pepper spray is awesome. It is like shooting fish in a barrel and it makes it so the police don't have to go all over the place to take out aggression on dissidents, they can just go over to the fenced in area and spray away.

[RedCeltic]

What does "dressed like storm troopers" mean?

Riot gear


You should make a few copies of the whole video, post them around the internet, and send some copies to CNN, BBC, NBC, and other news stations.

I went down to the Associated Press and let them copy all the film on that tape. I forgot however that my footage of anarchists burning flags was on it however and learned that CNN used my flag burning footage. They didn't mention of my pepper spray footage being used.... but am sure it was picked up by someone as AP is used around the world and I was in their National HQ.



This could get the public outraged against Bush and there could be more protests because of this.

Maybe you even should sue the Police that were involved there.

When I was blind and staggering (with my co/filmmaker’s help) to a nearby corporate bookshop a member of National Lawyer's Guild stopped me and took down my name, phone number and took my photo. I told them I will send them all the video I have of the pepper spraying.

I had shot footage of people being maced right after the protesters managed to lift a section of the fence, and maybe about a total of 3 min. of footage of the pepper spraying.

The footage looks good all together, I'm sorry that the clip I showed here is so short but IMC can only take small files.

We are almost finished with our film of the RNC in NYC... I'm sorry that it has taken us so long to make, and within a few days I will be back on here trying to get you guys to buy some copies.. which 100% of the profits will go to IMC. (available on DVD or VHS for $10)

And, yes we were down in Washington DC to film our second movie which we should be editing soon.


Are you sure you were peppered sprayed and not peppered hosed?

What was that, a god damn cannon?

something like a cannon I suppose, they had hand held mace sprays at first, but then latter someone gave the order to turn loose these large pepper spray guns, oddly enough much latter after the people who were trying to break through the barricade had pulled back.


Well at least America is spreading freedom and democracy around the globe, with this kind of democracy who needs tyranny?

Don't you feel safer knowing that only the corporate media can enter the (still very distant) section where one can get a look at the presidential motorcade? Makes one wonder just what freedom our government is talking about when they say they are "spreading freedom around the world." obviously they don't believe in the freedoms of speech, press, and assembly.




And seeing the fence up, I have to ask. Were you in a freedom zone? If so, and you were in a little fenced in area just for protesters

About security; I have to say that security at the RNC in NYC was tighter... or at least the NYPD had more "balls" to round up protesters on sight. Washington DC was covered in those fences... there were "checkpoints" that one had to go through all over the city. Where I was.. (Pennsylvania & 14 - 13) was near where the A.N.S.W.E.R. bleachers were.... but there were scattered protesters all over the city.

[refuse_resist]

Those damned pigs. That's just way over the top they would go around hosing people like that for no reason. At the demo I went to in SF the cops didn't mess with people. The only thing they did was come in with fire extinguishers to put out a fire people were making right after the flag burning that had happend.

Right now I was just checking out some of the pics from that incident from the DC indymedia site.

http://images.indymedia.org/imc/washingtondc/media/image/8/115584_pepperspray2_j20.jpg

http://images.indymedia.org/imc/washingtondc/media/image/12/115584_pepperspray6_j20.jpg

All this going on while....

http://images.indymedia.org/imc/washingtondc/media/image/9/rich3_j20.jpg

Comrade, did any of the news media stations even bother covering this yet? I can't believe they didn't mention this.

[praxus]

Riot gear

Then why don't they say "they were dressed in riot gear"?

Answer: They want the cops to be viewed a Nazi's, without having proved them to be in any manner.

[Sovietsky Souyuz]

Could've meant storm troopers from star-wars :P

[Exploited Class]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2005, 08:37 AM

Riot gear

Then why don't they say "they were dressed in riot gear"?

Answer: They want the cops to be viewed a Nazi's, without having proved them to be in any manner.
The real answer:

It is the intimidating look that the police state want to achieve. They didn't pick black because it made them look thin and matched with their socks real well. They want the intimidating in control look and achieved it.

http://www.jfsc.ndu.edu/images/hlspc/police_adv_NriotGear.jpg

There are over 16 million colors of choice yet they go with all black.... hmmmmm.

[STI]

Ya, but so do anarchists :lol:

Joking, of couse.

[Exploited Class]

You know what is worse, not by a whole lot, than knowing somebody personally that this happened to and the fact that it happened. There are people that totally agree with this type of action by the police. I listened to the right wing talk shows and somebody called in about incidents like this and other callers called in saying "yeah these people that chose to protest against the president on his day should be treated like that."

I can understand being brought up poorly, having anger managment issues, being at the wrong job, I can't excuse the police actions but I can understand why. But I can't excuse somebody who, not in the heat of the moment, not apart of it, able to sit back and think over the actions and agree with this type of treatment.

They have to know that silencing dissent through state actions is like step 4 of the fascist plan. That yelling in opposition, protesting however they see fit, showing healthy dissent with no harm to anybody and being met with hostile actions to silence an open democracy, is sickening at best.

[PRC-UTE]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2005, 08:15 PM
Ya, but so do anarchists :lol:

Joking, of couse.
Good lord! This is how we find out the truth! Anarchists are social fascists! Turns out Stalin wasn't lying.

[NoiseUnited]

I find it ironic that Stalin would call anything a 'social fascist'. There are of course benefits of intimidation beyond a fascist instrument. It is a psychological method that if exercised creativly can positively effect people's analysis of the movement. Though intimidation is a practice for the oppositions morale, caution should be used in such methods. As to not appear as social bullies. The perception wanted is a people who have been wronged and are able to make it right. If properly exercised, results would include a bigger following and a scared opposition.

[RedCeltic]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2005, 10:37 AM

Riot gear

Then why don't they say "they were dressed in riot gear"?

Answer: They want the cops to be viewed a Nazi's, without having proved them to be in any manner.
Do you live out where the bus doesn't run?

or are you pulling my leg?

[HankMorgan]

Ma Celtic must be proud.

[Anarchist Freedom]

I was watching the answer protest on c span 2 and it seemed a bit well played out if you ask me. I think they should have show some video or live feed of the Anarchists and leftsists getting pepper sprayed and them being shut down to show how fucked up our goverment is.

[FeArANDLoAtHiNg]

Damn, that was fucking brutal. Ouch. :huh:

[bur372]

There was an experiment run by Stanley milburn where people had to ask an actor a question and if the actor got the question wrong then the person would have to give the actor an electric shock. The electric shocks got stronger and stronger up until the point when the actor was screaming in agony. The scientists told the people they had to continue something like 70-80% of the people did.

The moral of the story? If you force people to do things by their superior or terrorize them you can force them to do just about anything no matter how inhuman it is.

Do not blame the riot police ( most of them probably would be democrat or support the left) Blame the right-wingers! ( especially Ann coulter)

The riot police are just doing their job which they have to do because they enslaved under capatalisim( I'm pretty sure they get rather bad pay does anyone have any figures)

[Anarchist Freedom]

They hurt us during protests if they dont like what there doing and if there slaves to capitalism and they wanted to free there shakles then they wouldnt beat us and harm us would they ?? probably not.

187 on a mutha fucking cop!

http://www.cnt-f.org/international/photos/Grandes-photos/11-fuck-police.JPG

[Professor Moneybags]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2005, 08:33 PM
The riot police are just doing their job which they have to do because they enslaved under capatalisim( I'm pretty sure they get rather bad pay does anyone have any figures)
Enslaved, how ?

[Ele'ill]

They are not enslaved. They make a concious decision to take that job posistion. Trying to dehumanize them is the same tactics used against the arab world by imperialists. Arab = terrorist is the same as police officer= non-thinking enslaved human bent on hurting people.

Generalizations suck.

[t_wolves_fan]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2005, 07:43 AM
On January 20, 2005, while George W. Bush was being sworn in again, I headed down to Washington DC to film the protests that surrounded the Inauguration. There were thousands of protesters along the inaugural parade rout, although they did not reach the inflated numbers of 100,000 protesters as CNN had reported at one point, it was nowhere near as little as 500 protesters as Bill O’Reilly had fabricated spitefully.

A group of inexperienced National Park Police dressed like storm troopers, became extremely nervous and trigger happy when protesters managed to lift a section of the security fence that blocked protesters from getting closer to the motorcade. The result was that latter on, amid insults to the police and chants of, “The inauguration if a funeral” and “1,2,3,4 we don’t want your Fucking war” the police started pepper spraying anyone and everyone, myself included.

The following link to a very short video clip on Indymedia is of me being shot in the face with pepper spray, simply for being near the police with a camera.

http://hm.indymedia.org/usermedia/video/4/...ray_fiasco2.wmv (http://hm.indymedia.org/usermedia/video/4/peppes_spray_fiasco2.wmv)

I was sprayed a total of three times… and the only word I can use to describe the experience is PAINFUL.
You shouldn't have tried to remove the fence.

Fuck even some 6 year-olds in the area probably figured that out.

Summary of this thread:

"A fence that was not meant to be moved was put up and the authorities told me not to try to take it down. I tried anyway and after repeated warnings I received tear gas.

Somehow, in my twisted world view, it's the cops' and Ann Coulter's fault I got tear-gassed."

:lol:

If your high school allows you to graduate with such a tiny grasp of logic and critical thinking, it'd be a travesty.

[Xvall]

Red Celtic didn't lift the fence. Red Celtic didn't try to lift the fence. He just stood in his designated area with a camera and was sprayed in the face.

[Anarchist Freedom]

'The military/police have, at their core, a fascist mentality, wherein obedience to authority is the highest human virtue. It is the polar opposite of revolutionary communism."

[Xvall]

AF is right. In a future society, our current police officers will live in the same home as the rich.

[t_wolves_fan]

Originally posted by Drake [email protected] 22 2005, 09:38 PM
Red Celtic didn't lift the fence. Red Celtic didn't try to lift the fence. He just stood in his designated area with a camera and was sprayed in the face.
Tough to say, the film was edited to the point we have no idea what precipitated the spraying.

Convenient.

[Anarchist Freedom]

Well being peppersprayed hurts like a ***** you know!?

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Originally posted by t_wolves_fan+Feb 23 2005, 01:23 PM--> (t_wolves_fan @ Feb 23 2005, 01:23 PM)
Drake [email protected] 22 2005, 09:38 PM
Red Celtic didn't lift the fence. Red Celtic didn't try to lift the fence. He just stood in his designated area with a camera and was sprayed in the face.
Tough to say, the film was edited to the point we have no idea what precipitated the spraying.

Convenient. [/b]
Interesting that you automaticly choose the side of the pigs. Any well thinking would figur this: He held a camera, it would have been difficult to attack the cops one-handed, lift a fence and simultaneously film with focus. But you get this:


"A fence that was not meant to be moved was put up and the authorities told me not to try to take it down. I tried anyway and after repeated warnings I received tear gas.

Somehow, in my twisted world view, it's the cops' and Ann Coulter's fault I got tear-gassed."

out of this:


A group of inexperienced National Park Police dressed like storm troopers, became extremely nervous and trigger happy when protesters managed to lift a section of the security fence that blocked protesters from getting closer to the motorcade. The result was that latter on, amid insults to the police and chants of, “The inauguration if a funeral” and “1,2,3,4 we don’t want your Fucking war” the police started pepper spraying anyone and everyone, myself included.

Not that anyone should be suprised by your attitude.

[t_wolves_fan]

Originally posted by Non-Sectarian Bastard!@Feb 23 2005, 04:52 PM




Interesting that you automaticly choose the side of the pigs. Any well thinking would figur this: He held a camera, it would have been difficult to attack the cops one-handed, lift a fence and simultaneously film with focus. But you get this:


"A fence that was not meant to be moved was put up and the authorities told me not to try to take it down. I tried anyway and after repeated warnings I received tear gas.

Somehow, in my twisted world view, it's the cops' and Ann Coulter's fault I got tear-gassed."

out of this:


A group of inexperienced National Park Police dressed like storm troopers, became extremely nervous and trigger happy when protesters managed to lift a section of the security fence that blocked protesters from getting closer to the motorcade. The result was that latter on, amid insults to the police and chants of, “The inauguration if a funeral” and “1,2,3,4 we don’t want your Fucking war” the police started pepper spraying anyone and everyone, myself included.

Not that anyone should be suprised by your attitude.

:lol:

If you always refer to the police as "pigs", then you shouldn't be surprised that your attitude gets you some pepper spray once in a while.

You're out there to protest and incite a reaction, why are you surprised when you get it?

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

I am not, I expect no better from the pigs. The workingclass is terrorized daily by cops. I really don't expect any good to come from them.

Anyway someone's attitude or namecalling doesn't justify (by law) pepperspraying. But another hypocricy on top of all the others, doesn't really matter to you - does it?

[Professor Moneybags]

Originally posted by Anarchist [email protected] 23 2005, 01:56 AM
'The military/police have, at their core, a fascist mentality, wherein obedience to authority is the highest human virtue. It is the polar opposite of revolutionary communism."
There are a large number of communists here with a "fascist mentality", many of them openly adovcating violence against people they don't agree with.

[Professor Moneybags]

Originally posted by Non-Sectarian Bastard!@Feb 23 2005, 05:37 PM
Anyway someone's attitude or namecalling doesn't justify (by law) pepperspraying. But another hypocricy on top of all the others, doesn't really matter to you - does it?
Speaking of hypocracy, someone's attitude or name calling doesn't justify pepper-spraying, but the PWs presenting views different to your own was enough to warrant physical assault.

[Ele'ill]

yes, since that other thread died about the PW's after a flurry of logic that i'd like to think I contributed to, we must drag it's corpse into this thread, and begin flogging it once again.



The workingclass is terrorized daily by cops. I really don't expect any good to come from them.

Anyway someone's attitude or namecalling doesn't justify (by law) pepperspraying. But another hypocricy on top of all the others, doesn't really matter to you - does it?

The workingclass isn't terrorized daily by cops.
Swearing and using heavy language against anyone can get you arrested. Why try it with a cop whos heard it all day long?

[DarkAngel]

Thats rough.

[Anarchist Freedom]

I advocate open violence against facist scum suckers like PW

[Ele'ill]

I advocate open violence against facist scum suckers like PW

Then you cannot say a word when the police attack you and when the state attacks you, as you claim they advocate open violence against those with opposing views. It is very apparent how long you would last in an anarchist community. You contradict your ideology every time you advocate violence against the physically, non threatening.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Originally posted by Professor Moneybags+Feb 23 2005, 10:05 PM--> (Professor Moneybags @ Feb 23 2005, 10:05 PM)
Non-Sectarian Bastard!@Feb 23 2005, 05:37 PM
Anyway someone's attitude or namecalling doesn't justify (by law) pepperspraying. But another hypocricy on top of all the others, doesn't really matter to you - does it?
Speaking of hypocracy, someone's attitude or name calling doesn't justify pepper-spraying, but the PWs presenting views different to your own was enough to warrant physical assault. [/b]
No, the cops sweared to "protect" and "obey" the law. That's even their job. It becomes hypocritical when they trespass the same laws that they said to protect.

On the other hand. No anarchist has pleaded to proected and serve the law. On the contrary, we advocate disobedience towards the state. So where is the hypocricy on the side of the anarchists?


The workingclass isn't terrorized daily by cops.
Swearing and using heavy language against anyone can get you arrested. Why try it with a cop whos heard it all day long?

A glimpse of your true nature. Feels good, doesn't it?

[t_wolves_fan]

Originally posted by Anarchist [email protected] 24 2005, 03:27 AM
I advocate open violence against facist scum suckers like PW
If only mommy and daddy had paid some attention to you.

I remember back in October, '03 I think it was. There was one of the many big anti-war protests on the Mall. We were out practicing flag football as the protesters and anarchists descended like locusts on the place.

Naturally I decided to wear my W '04 T-shirt. As a few of your type, clad all up in black, trying to look tough to compensate for their low self esteem, I got in their face asking them if breaking some windows today was going to win them mommy and daddy's attention.

Naturally they just kept walking, heads down.

Truth hurts.

I blame the parents.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

I remember in 2003. I was walking in an anti-war demonstration. These pro-war people shouted at us, said that they wanted to invade Iraq and tried to pull our attention. I blame their parents.

[bushdog]

Originally posted by Anarchist [email protected] 17 2005, 09:03 PM


187 on a mutha fucking cop!

http://www.cnt-f.org/international/photos/Grandes-photos/11-fuck-police.JPG
Damn Right,
Johnny says he wants to kill cop!

[Xvall]

If you always refer to the police as "pigs", then you shouldn't be surprised that your attitude gets you some pepper spray once in a while.

Your kind has a tendancy to refer to us as pinkos and commies on a consistent basis, which is no less deregatory than referring to a police officer as a pig. Does that give me the right to assault you simply for calling me that?

[Ele'ill]

Your kind has a tendancy to refer to us as pinkos and commies on a consistent basis, which is no less deregatory than referring to a police officer as a pig

Weak assumption.