ignorance

[act_5]

yesterday, while trying to find a che guevara shirt on ebay my dad happened to walk into the room and asked a question that if it was anyone else i would have seriosly hurt them.

"wasnt he some mexican terrorist who tried to start his own country?why would you want a t-shirt of someone like that?"

(btw, i know he was from argentina but thats my dads exact words)

after about 10 seconds of me staring open-mouthed at him, i decided that this display of ignorance was unbelievable, and attempted to educate him to the real che.

this was horribly unsucessful, as he just ignored me.

should i continue to try or have some fun with this and start doing some crap to really scare him(ie: wearing a soviet military parade jacket.)

[Karl]

hmm i should get one.

[Ligeia]

I think you just should try to talk to him ,everytime your family talks about politics or watches something about politics and economy, although he might not understand you and ignore you or whatever,in comparison to that what they see on TV,you are maybe an eye-opener for them.
And wear what you like,if you really like to.
To me my family and friends always say "you are a naive dreamer."
It is strange that they all think the same without knowing what the others think.
Trying to convince someone or trying someone to accept somethings through words should be the first thing to do.

[octovia]

its annoying how parents don't know key figures of their lifetime.i remember my dad always had an obsession of trying to find out the name of the man on that poster with a berret.when finally i told him who it was and what he was about.he just shrugged .i stared with disbelief :o

[RevolutionarySocialist MadRedDog]

Give it some time and try to start a conservation with your dad about it at a later moment in time....

[choekiewoekie]

Well actually it can be quit funny to scare the sh*t out of your parents, by telling them all kinds of left winged militia storys. Actually, at the home of my parents in law we sometimes do so, and they will only stare back.
But he, you cannot do that to much. Otherwise they will be really scared and try to find a dokter to kick those ideas out of your brains. And in general, it doesnt make the relationship any better....

Oke, now serious...
A serious conversation can be very usefull dont you think? If your parents are able to listen to your arguments anyway, cause some parents just can't listen i know. But if yours are reasonable and open minded, it could be a very nice conversation. Ofcouse, you should have an open mind for their ideas as well...
I would say, just try!

[octovia]

i remember when my mum bought me book entitled "communism" my dad told me that if i bought that years ago,i'd have been watched by the government.

[Red_Rich]

I sometimes have many political debates with my parents. They are from a generation where they saw the collapse of communism. It is hard to convince them of anything.

[TrenzTheLeader]

LOL...when will THEY learn

[TheKingOfMercy]

I bought a nice large red flag......and hung it outside my bedroom......annoys the hell out of the neigbors.....they are all older ya'see, and bought into all the propaganda in the cold war..........they still think the 'commmie pinko liberals' are responsible for vietnam being lost........

[seraphim]

Fuck talking to your family its a total waste of time and effort just accept that they're never gonna be like u they're never gonna understand u. U can't chose your family but u can chose your friends.

[Danielle]

Ignorance is everywhere and people choose to endorse it becuase it's easier to believe life is grand. My family is much the same when it comes to this sort of stuff. Personally. I wouldn't buy the shirt. I don't think Che would like to be the next flavour of the month on the Capitalist screen printer that enslaves the third world. But that's just my opinion.

[RevolutionarySocialist MadRedDog]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2005, 10:26 PM
I sometimes have many political debates with my parents. They are from a generation where they saw the collapse of communism. It is hard to convince them of anything.
where they saw the collapse of STALINISM..... :rolleyes:

[Big_Don]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2005, 05:47 PM
yesterday, while trying to find a che guevara shirt on ebay my dad happened to walk into the room and asked a question that if it was anyone else i would have seriosly hurt them.

"wasnt he some mexican terrorist who tried to start his own country?why would you want a t-shirt of someone like that?"

(btw, i know he was from argentina but thats my dads exact words)

after about 10 seconds of me staring open-mouthed at him, i decided that this display of ignorance was unbelievable, and attempted to educate him to the real che.

this was horribly unsucessful, as he just ignored me.

should i continue to try or have some fun with this and start doing some crap to really scare him(ie: wearing a soviet military parade jacket.)
Speak to him first and then get him to register on to this site. He's got some serious learning to do. I like the idea of the ....wearing a soviet military parade jacket.)

[Ligeia]

Hmmm..I dont have such a problem with my parents.Mine think Socialism would be better but they dont want me to have socialist or communist ideas...thats strange.Is it ignorance or are they just hopeless?

[Abstrakt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 08:54 AM
I bought a nice large red flag......and hung it outside my bedroom......annoys the hell out of the neigbors.....they are all older ya'see, and bought into all the propaganda in the cold war..........they still think the 'commmie pinko liberals' are responsible for vietnam being lost........
haha! nice!

[Rockfan]

Mine are the same, My mates kindof understand but yea, im sure everyone will wake up one day.

[Essential Insignificance]

I don't think its actual, bona fide "ignorance"... he thinks the "reality" of Che Guevara is totally unbeknown to you (!) -- and that you are the one who is ill-informed.

And can you blame him?

Yes and no.

It doesn't take much for an individual to "pick a book" and read some useful and factual information.

But let's face it; people don't have time to enjoy the unmatched satisfaction of reading... there far too hectic trying to survive!

Also, watching the television (for the "television breed") is a much easier way to gain knowledge... no matter how unexamined, erroneous and/or "shabby" the program might be.

The "T.V robots" seem to be able to retain a lot from what they view on the television.

And remember: the television is the greatest "medium" the capitalists have to "spew" fallacious messages to people.

I would suggest for you: to "take it slowly"... with your father.

[pandora]

What's cool is if you take it slow and realize your father has a long way to go, out of love for you he will get more open minded, but you have to go gentle, a little change with an old mind is a big deal! It's amazing to watch, but that whole old dog thing is partially true, it takes a lot for older people to change their ideas.

If he cares for you which I'm sure he does, he'll try to ask you to explain your views. He may vehemently disagree at first, and even say things embarassing, then you go through the joke stage, where if you walk past a store with anything Communist or hippie or counter culture etc. he's going to say something, but then there may just be a place of openess.

Maybe he was afraid to explore these ideas when he was young but secretly wondered about them. As he understands that you geniunely believe in Communism he will probably start to mellow out, and even try to say some nice things. At this point he may even try to learn more, but very tenderly at first, old dogs remember. He may look for articles in ordinary publications which are not going to be positive. But if you offer him classic material that is not too dense or too radical he may be able to relate to a few of the ideas, it would at least open up conversation in that area. Even just articles about Che, maybe go with him to Motorcycle Diaries. This could help him see that working for others rather than the global corporate conspiracy is a healthy form of resistance for a young person fed up with being controlled by the corporate media.

Some of these old timers :D have seen a real erosion of freedoms by corporations in the last twenty years. Talking about these things is a good intro. My grandmother and I have conversations about such things, and it is common ground.

[octovia]

My dad is an idiot,he thinks there's more going on now then there was 1960s onwards .i mean,man on the moon etc,thats boring but stuff like che and cold war...this is what marks the dates in history.today we have maniacs declaring war and places demanding independance more than ever. :unsure:

[act_5]

thnx everyone for the tips

couple days ago he tried to badmouth the bolsheviks saying they
"were just a bunch of russian aristocrats trying to take over"

(his words again)

then i pointed out that trotsky's family were ukrainian farmers. :trotski:


Personally. I wouldn't buy the shirt. I don't think Che would like to be the next flavour of the month on the Capitalist screen printer that enslaves the third world. But that's just my opinion.

i'm gonna make the shirt myself, and the jacket is coming out of a small military store in ukraine (so no money for corporate america.) :D

[RevolutionarySocialist MadRedDog]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2005, 04:45 PM
thnx everyone for the tips

couple days ago he tried to badmouth the bolsheviks saying they
"were just a bunch of russian aristocrats trying to take over"

(his words again)

then i pointed out that trotsky's family were ukrainian farmers. :trotski:


Personally. I wouldn't buy the shirt. I don't think Che would like to be the next flavour of the month on the Capitalist screen printer that enslaves the third world. But that's just my opinion.

i'm gonna make the shirt myself, and the jacket is coming out of a small military store in ukraine (so no money for corporate america.) :D
I guess your dad is not really that ignorant, a) probably he knows pretty well what went on and he's just trying to piss you off and be annoying or b) he's really is indoctrinated by capitalist thought.

[Abstrakt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2005, 04:45 PM
thnx everyone for the tips

couple days ago he tried to badmouth the bolsheviks saying they
"were just a bunch of russian aristocrats trying to take over"

(his words again)

then i pointed out that trotsky's family were ukrainian farmers. :trotski:


Personally. I wouldn't buy the shirt. I don't think Che would like to be the next flavour of the month on the Capitalist screen printer that enslaves the third world. But that's just my opinion.

i'm gonna make the shirt myself, and the jacket is coming out of a small military store in ukraine (so no money for corporate america.) :D
That's a good idea. I wish I could sow, make shirts, etc.