inauguration protests

[the_godless_communist]

I saw those protesters at the Bush inauguration on TV, I salute there efforts and I think everyone else here should too.

[October Revolution]

I did watch the inauguration but the protestors were pretty useless what were they Anti-war protesters it's rather pointless protesting about that now.

Much more of my attention was sent towards laughing at Bush his speach was rather funny at times and the continous clapping for his garbage was funny :lol:

[NyChe21]

Yeah, I was in the middle of the anti-war protest, just really to observe what was going on and I was a little disenchanted. Protesting the war is just beating a dead horse, we're there and there isn't much prudence is pulling the troops out and making more fools of ourselves. God knows that the Right would make some excuse. But yeah, my only point is that the peaceful protest is never effective, its nice and cute and cool that people are showing up and making themselves heard but it doesnt really mean much to any authority. Besides, you need a freaking permit to protest??? Give me a break. Thats not protesting, thats a public gathering just like a picnic at a park. To me, protesting is getting canisters of tear gas shot at you and pepper sprayed. I missed that action the day of the inaugural and I was really frustrated about that. But the peaceful, loving protest is only effective if it is constant and long lasting like the Vietnam protests and similar to the pro-democracy protests at Tiannemmen Square. That can get your message out, but people can't give that amount of time anymore, freaking lazy middle class.

So band together ANARCHISTS, time to make people listen....and I mean real civil disobediance, not obeying the authorities when they tell you that you can't say anything vulgar or burn anything. Thats just more control, and thats what we rebel against. No more permits, no more microphones that nobody hears, we need to push the envelope creatively (like the show coffins, which got a lot more attention) and even rebelliously. If they bring hoses, hey, free shower!! If they bring gas, wear a bandana. If they bring pepper spray, shut your eyes and move forward. If we push the envelope and scare some people, it may actually show up on the radar screen of a politician or two.

[October Revolution]

Your going abit far with the tear gas idea arn't you there are other ways to protest apart from violence. But the anti-war protesters were like i said useless it's not a protest if you turn out in small numbers really becasue the people your protesting against can just pass you off as the minority.

Mass protests all the way but not for anymore of this anti war crap it's happened and the troops have to stay there to sort out the mess thats been made. simple.

[Anarchist Freedom]

Im really tired of the anti iraq war protests its soo played out and done ok ok we get the point pull out our troops we cant now too late. I think that protests need to more like riots if you want to get noticed.

[NyChe21]

Yeah I exaggerated a bit, but Anarchist Freedom got the idea. I would at least like to see a bonfire. Or I'm just from the University of Maryland where we riot if we win or lose a basketball game. We even got on the Daily Show after our ACC Championship riot, if that's not capturing the media, I don't know what is. At least thats REAL news.

[NoiseUnited]

Small protests can have many uses besides getting your message heard. Getting your message heard to those that haven't are the essential goal. Other benefits are a uniting of people: meaning getting people to join a group for a good cause or collaberations with other groups towards mutual goals. It can help morale of those feeling isolated in their beliefs. Though this protest may have not been ideal, the practice should not be dismissed as uneffective. It's usually an abundance of actions that make it possible for the action that brings about possitive change.

[October Revolution]

yeh i got what you were saying protests shouldn't be all weak and about banners afair bit of action is often required to get your point across just violence is not always the answer.

[SonofRage]

Originally posted by Anarchist [email protected] 25 2005, 10:52 AM
Im really tired of the anti iraq war protests its soo played out and done ok ok we get the point pull out our troops we cant now too late. I think that protests need to more like riots if you want to get noticed.
http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=32626

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Originally posted by Anarchist [email protected] 25 2005, 03:52 PM
Im really tired of the anti iraq war protests its soo played out and done ok ok we get the point pull out our troops we cant now too late. I think that protests need to more like riots if you want to get noticed.
Why is it too late to pull out the troops?

We shouldn't constantly riot, because it draws negative attention. We should connect more with the working class, not scare them off.

[October Revolution]

It's too late to pull the troops out because they have to clean up the mess they made do you realy want Iraq to get even more messed up than it already is (if that's possible.) America and the UK has a responsibiltiy to see this whole mess out.

[RASH chris]

I was in DC. To those of you who think it was a peaceful protest-did you look at any indy media? There were two groups of protesters, there were ones who went thorough check points and onto the parade route and there were ones who marched around the city, blocked off streets, fought the police, and stormed entrance gates.

I was there, I marched with 2000 other anarchists/anti-fas. We fought the cops. About 200 or 300 of us stormed an entrance gate that was 3 blocks from the white house which caused the motorcade to slow/stop (depending on what news source you believe) because they thought we were going to break through.

At our rally before the march we got our bash on with the protest warriors. We sent them packing and very sore.

We most definitely did fight back. Sorry if it wasn't "Seattle-esque" enough for you.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Originally posted by October [email protected] 27 2005, 07:40 PM
It's too late to pull the troops out because they have to clean up the mess they made do you realy want Iraq to get even more messed up than it already is (if that's possible.) America and the UK has a responsibiltiy to see this whole mess out.
Capitalist states do not "feel" responsible to better lives of "ordinary" people or even entire states. Why do you expect that the US and UK think otherwise?

And you can't know what will happen if the US pulls out. Maybe the coorperation that they have forged to combat the coalition forces is strong enough to form a stabile country. You don't know, you can't know.

:wub:

[October Revolution]

I never said they wouldn't pull out i just said they shouldn't becase they've caused this mess and so should sort it out.

The Iraqi people may be able to make a state but a stable one i'm not sure about atleast not for a long time.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

I didn't say that I don't expect the US to pull out. I gave you reasons to not to be cheerfull about the imperialist presence in Iraq. You should read my posts, they are fun!

You say that the US and UK are responsible for the mess in Iraq and that they should stay and clean it up. I then told you not to be so naive and that you should know that capitalist nations do not feel responsibility, so they will not clean up the mess they made. Ever heard of the tiny country of Vietnam?

Maybe you should read history books. To read about dozens of other nations that the US/UK destroyed, but didn't fix.

[October Revolution]

Yes i didn't really make myself clear last time.

The US and Uk should stay to help, but will only stay in Iraq if it benefits them as in oil or as a means of increasing their imperialist hold over the region. This fact is empahsized by the fact that these elections are beng forced upon the populus of Iraq where they can only choose candidates that the US wants. The US needs a government in Iraq that will 1. be US friendly and not another foe and 2. will allow a base to which attack Iran from if they decide to go ahead with their plans, they are using these elections as a guise to do this.

Before when i said the US and UK should stay i only meant to help rebuild the infrastructure and stop the majority of the fighting so that the Iraqi people themselves can choose a suitable form of govenrment. If the US is trying to promoted democracy as it claims wouldn't the best way be to let the people themsleves accept or reject it? Since this ins't going to happen i do actually belive they should literally clean up the country then get the hell out.

[RedLenin]

Overall I think the protests were ok. My only problem is that the protesters didn't stop Bush's limo like they did last time. Where were the anarchist when his limo was driving past? Last time they had to drive bush out of there. There should have been eggs, rocks, and street blockades all around that area.

[trex]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2005, 11:36 PM
Where were the anarchist when his limo was driving past? Last time they had to drive bush out of there. There should have been eggs, rocks, and street blockades all around that area.
Yahoo, let's give the bible belt soccer moms and nascar dads one more reason to fear anything that even slightly smells like the democratic party.

[RASH chris]

We couldn't legaly get onto the parade route. There was a plan to storm it and let ourselves in, but the plan was not properly communicated and the march made a wrong turn and never reorganized to take the parade route. But a small number of us were able to slow/stop the motorcade by assaulting an entrance point two blocks from the capitol building, though we did not, nor did we try, to over run it.