CHE SUCKS

[Natureofmind]

Before getting all upset please not that I respect Che's concern for people alover the world, and I respect his opposition to Batista. Also note that I respect Che's sincere sorrow and disgust felt towards the state of living conditions in south America during his motorcycle tour across the continent, and the charity work that he did. And I also respect his motivation to get up and do something about the way things were going but he got way out of hand.

I understand that trying to overthrow a government will put you in several situations of "kill or be killed" but Che took it far beyond this often. Che oversaw the deaths of a reported 500-1700 people during his 4 year term as the Commander of Cuba's main prison, It is reported by survivors including human rights activist Armando Valladares, that Guevara was a frequent user of brutal tactics of interrogation, torture, and execution of some prisoners.

Socialism needs to be re-wrote, and then re-named. Such violence will never create peace or harmony, Che was fool to think so.

Che made this statement to British-Socialist newspaper the Daily Worker on the topic of the Cuban missile crisis; " if the missiles had been under Cuban control, they would have fired them off". That's right all you kids wearing Che T-Shirts made in sweat-shops, the man on your chest wanted to kill your parents.

Don't be a fucking fool, Che is the face of the wrong kind of revolution.

[RedAnarchist]

Let me get one thing clear, something you would have known if you had bothered to read this forum.

Che was no angel. He wasnt a happy-clappy liberal. He was a guerilla. There were certain things that needed to be done. I'm sure he didint take any pleasure in doing so, but he had to do it, for the people and the revolution.

He didnt take it too far. Was he like Hitler, killing tens of millions? Did he persecute people, killing them for their religion, skin colour, race etc? No, he just executed the enemies of the people.

[Wiesty]

Che oversaw the deaths of a reported 500-1700 people during his 4 year term as the Commander of Cuba's main prison

Yes, war criminals, batista folowers, people who were agaisnt him, it was a revolution, use your brain.


Guevara was a frequent user of brutal tactics of interrogation, torture, and execution of some prisoners.

name a few my little minded friend, name a few


Socialism needs to be re-wrote, and then re-named. Such violence will never create peace or harmony, Che was fool to think so.

He only killed people who were against him, mainly capitalists, which is nothing like capitalism.

Find us some evidence of this and maybe we'll consider you intelligent

[redstar2000]

It's not clear from your post just what it is that you object to.

Do you object to Che killing reactionaries?

Do you object to his view of what the proper response to a U.S. invasion should have been (fire the missiles)?

Or do you just object to "violence" as such?

If your choice is the third of those options, then you are focusing on the wrong target.

Imperialist violence over the last 150 years has killed many more people per day than Che did in his entire lifetime.

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[Wiesty]

was that to me?

of coarse im not objecting to him killing reactionaries, it was his duty as a member of the guirella forces to extermanite batista followers etc.

where are u gettin this from

[Zingu]

A revolution is not a bed of roses, and a revolution is always a kill-or-be-killed struggle, its class war for a reason. You expected him to play nice with the reactionary dogs? No!

[Karl Marx's Camel]

CHE SUCKS

Now that's an intelligent comment.



I understand that trying to overthrow a government will put you in several situations of "kill or be killed" but Che took it far beyond this often. Che oversaw the deaths of a reported 500-1700 people during his 4 year term as the Commander of Cuba's main prison

He didn't kill "people", but war criminals, politicians from the Batista-government etc.



Che made this statement to British-Socialist newspaper the Daily Worker on the topic of the Cuban missile crisis; " if the missiles had been under Cuban control, they would have fired them off".

Probably it is taken out of context.

Most likely, he said that they would have fired them off, if the US would have attacked. Cuba has every right to defend itself from agression from another country.



It is reported by survivors including human rights activist Armando Valladares, that Guevara was a frequent user of brutal tactics of interrogation, torture, and execution of some prisoners.



Why should we listen to one man?

I doubt there is any clear evidence of what you are saying.

[Latifa]

Do you have any photographical evidence of Che 'sucking'?

:lol:

Talk properly, please.

[FarfromNear]

I am from South America. I have seen the poverty of which you speak of. Che did some terrible things. The guerrilla down there does terrible things. The guerrilla is nothing to applaud. They have created a mess. THey are usually the ones responsible for kidnappings, drug trade, and other forms of violence. There not something great. They are not freedom fighters like you all see them.

I do understand where they are coming from. Latin America is terrible. Poor people are screwed down there. It is really sad. Guerrillas were basically fighting to survive.THey just took a wrong approach. They got bigger, and did even worse things.

You can visit most countries in Latin and you will see a similar site. From los 'ranchitos' in Venezuela, to las 'Favelas' in Brasil, Los 'pueblos jovenes' in Peru, los 'gamines' in Colombia, las 'villas miserias' in Argentina, as well as many others all over Central and South America. What are they? They are really really poor slums located in the biggest cities. These are really violent places. Many of the criminals come from these areas. Why? Because they need to survive. They resort to violence. It is sad. The fact is, the systems in Latin America have failed tremendously. They have been a form of mercantilist systems. Systems that are made to protect a few, everyone else is screwed. The problem is, people then feel that socialism is the response to all this. That has been our mentality, that is what we have been taught. Truth is, that is a terrible approach that only makes the government bigger, and people poorer. You can see the socialist policies that have been put into the system have only worsened the situation. Most countries in Latin America are really screwed, with maybe two exceptions: Definitely Chile, and Arguably Uruguay. Chile has opened their economy more than everyone else and they are really the best country down there. They have the best standards of living.

Most of you have probably noticed that there is a Terrible distribution of wealth in Latin America. Fact is, Socialism will only make it worse. That is what has been happening. It is a vicious cycle. Let me give you an example: " Guatemala in the 1950s had a larger economy that Taiwan. Both economies were based in Agriculture". Guatemala took a different approach that Taiwan. Taiwan went to more free markets(not entirely), and Guatemala did the opposite. In Guatemala, socialism was more of the approach. If you compare the two countries today, you will notice quite a difference. Taiwan has way better standards of living. Guatemala has one of the worst distributions of wealth in the world. I suggest you visit both countries, see where you would rather live.


I did stray a little from the subject but only to give an example. The guerrillas are not at all good. They have brought a lot of crime and violence. Is is there faults that they are oppressed and screwed? No. Do they ultimately choose to be violent? Yes. If I were in their shoes, i would probably do the same thing. Fact is, that is the wrong approach. What Latin america needs is freedom. Liberty. Free markets. Trade. No Washington Consensus or the US government forcing us to ilegalize drugs. No foreign aid. Help us help ourselves. Give us freedom to prosper like the United States has done. You Americans have it real good. You just do not notice. You take it for granted. That is why when we have a chance to come over here, it is most probable that we will succeed. In our countries, it is quite hard to succeed. Not only by travelling will you learn of different countreis and systems. You have to read from the people who live it. You have to live it. I have been priviledge to have been born and raised in Latin America, yet been able to live in US and for a short time Europe(Internship). I have been priviledge to have experienced it. That is why I see thigns the way I do. It was hard for me to realize it because our way of thinking(Latins) had been engraved in my brain since I was a kid. But I have learned. I hope you guys can one day see all sides of the equation.

[praxis1966]

Farfromnear:

First and foremost, if you want foreign aid from the U$ to stop coming, try electing governments that don't ask for it. Secondly, comparing Guatemala to Taiwan is like comparing apples and oranges. The former is and always has been overwhelmingly agrarian, the latter is highly industrialized.

Third, your assertion that the freer the market the higher the standard of living is completely untrue. Take for example the U$ during the first 30 years of the 20th century. There was next to no economic regulation, and the vast majority of the wealth was concentrated in the hands of a few people; J.P. Morgan, Andrew Carnegie, Andrew Mellon et al. The vast majority of people were far worse off than even in modern day Latin America.

This lack of regulation and hands off approach to managing the market led to the Great Depression in 1929. Unemployment topped 30%. The infant mortality rate skyrocketed. People died of curable diseases with regularity. Nevermind the fact that until Upton Sinclair wrote The Jungle in 1934 that the meat packing industry was completely unregulated which led to serious contamination of its product.

Anyhow, if you want the best example of what capitalism and free markets do for people, just ask your average Russian, what with a country run by the mafia and a handful of robber barons. To quote some grafiti sprayed on the side of the building the Warsaw Pact was signed in: One person wrote "Bring back communism." Another wrote, "We never had communism." Then a third wrote, "Then bring back what we had."

[EneME]

I am from South America. I have seen the poverty of which you speak of.
I am from Central America, and I have also seen that poverty which CAPITALISM and FREE TRADE has brought to our countries. I do not understand how you can support a system that has brought suffering to our people.

Che did some terrible things.
Yes, he did eliminate people. He eliminated those who oppressed and supported a system that slowly starved his people and made them live a life of strife.

The guerrilla down there does terrible things. The guerrilla is nothing to applaud. They have created a mess. THey are usually the ones responsible for kidnappings, drug trade, and other forms of violence.
I agree that not all guerrilla's deserve merit, and that some guerrilla movements have turned incredibly reactionary and are very much misguided. Although I do not disagree with you in that aspect, you also have to look at the larger picture of what Free Trade/Globalization has done to our countries. The poverty that they have produced, breaths life to guerrilla movements and violence. The so called "mess" you are talking about is a production of globalization, and guerilla movements are reactions to this. How can you hold guerrilla's responsible for kidnappings, drug trade, and other forms of violence when the U$ has been personally involved with the kidnappings, murders/violence, and drug trafficking in our own countries FOR DECADES?

You can visit most countries in Latin and you will see a similar site. From los 'ranchitos' in Venezuela, to las 'Favelas' in Brasil, Los 'pueblos jovenes' in Peru, los 'gamines' in Colombia, las 'villas miserias' in Argentina, as well as many others all over Central and South America. What are they? They are really really poor slums located in the biggest cities. These are really violent places. Many of the criminals come from these areas. Why? Because they need to survive.
You have to ask yourself why there is overpopulation in the largest cities of Latin America? If you look back at history (not that far back either) you will find tons of people who were displaced and thrown off their lands because of U$ corporations or large land owners in the name of "development" or "free markets". They then come to big cities to try to make a living where there are jobs for few. This poverty COMES FROM SOMEWHERE, it does not just HAPPEN like spontanious combustion.

The fact is, the systems in Latin America have failed tremendously. They have been a form of mercantilist systems. Systems that are made to protect a few, everyone else is screwed.
These systems have derived from: FIRSTLY, being colonial states to an oppressive imperialist nation, and SECONDLY, being exploited and manipulated by first world nations from the time of their independence. First world nations have practically constructed the systems Latin American countries use TODAY. Historically look at the roles first world nations have played in Latin America (Panama Canal, Allende coup, Guatemala in 1954, El Salvador during the 80's, Cuba during Batista, etc.) and then try to advocate for a system that will continue to control our economies and governments.

The problem is, people then feel that socialism is the response to all this. That has been our mentality, that is what we have been taught. Truth is, that is a terrible approach that only makes the government bigger, and people poorer.
Then why are people becoming POORER and POORER as most Latin American governments are becoming smaller and smaller? What is your logic?


Most countries in Latin America are really screwed, with maybe two exceptions: Definitely Chile, and Arguably Uruguay. Chile has opened their economy more than everyone else and they are really the best country down there. They have the best standards of living.
If your logic is: bigger government = a poorer standard of living, then why is it that the healthiest people in our world (according to life expectancy and overall health in general as in height) come from European nations where they have supposidly "bigger" governments? Wouldn't Latin American nations be better off because their governments are getting "smaller"?


Let me give you an example: " Guatemala in the 1950s had a larger economy that Taiwan. Both economies were based in Agriculture". Guatemala took a different approach that Taiwan. Taiwan went to more free markets(not entirely), and Guatemala did the opposite. In Guatemala, socialism was more of the approach. If you compare the two countries today, you will notice quite a difference. Taiwan has way better standards of living. Guatemala has one of the worst distributions of wealth in the world. I suggest you visit both countries, see where you would rather live.

First off, Guatemala is not a socialist country and if it ever had socialist-leanings, it was completely irradicated before any change could have occured, so I do not understand why you are comparing Taiwan to it. On top of that, Taiwan is almost a completely industrialized economy (check any of your electronic units), unlike Guatemala's, which is almost completely agrarian. Second of all, Taiwan has a relatively young free market, and when they opened their market, they established certain anti-trust regulations which prevented wealth from concentrating in one place. Thus, making it somewhat regulated or "less" free than you advocate...


The guerrillas are not at all good. They have brought a lot of crime and violence.
I guess you have not been exposed to real revolutionaries, or you have been brain washed by government propaganda because believe it or not, government's in Latin America bring a lot more crime and violence to our countries. They have created mercenaries or trained soldiers to oppress people who want a better standard of living. They implement laws that rob people of their lands. They turn their backs on their people when they are exploited or physically harmed by corporations through their employment and/or pollution.


You Americans have it real good. You just do not notice. You take it for granted. That is why when we have a chance to come over here, it is most probable that we will succeed.

Yes, most Americans do take for granted the priviledges that they have, but I know what price humanity has had to pay for me to live comfortably. Everytime I look at clothes in stores or eat the foods I do, I think about the exploitation that has made it possible for me to clothe and feed myself. America could not SURVIVE without exploitation. No one would pay 10$ for a head of lettuce if migrant/undocumented workers were to actually make minimum wage, nor would products in Wal-Mart be so affordable if it weren't for the few cents paid to those who make these products. Yes, we do immigrate here to succeed somewhat, but do we make riches? No. Are we the most poverty stricken of all America? Yes, we are. It is ironic, because we are the ones in need of low-priced goods in order to survive, but it is at the price of our families at home. That does not make me feel successful...it makes me feel awful.


You have to read from the people who live it. You have to live it. I have been priviledge to have been born and raised in Latin America, yet been able to live in US and for a short time Europe(Internship). I have been priviledge to have experienced it. That is why I see thigns the way I do. It was hard for me to realize it because our way of thinking(Latins) had been engraved in my brain since I was a kid. But I have learned.

I have lived it, and my family STILL lives it. I have also been priviledged to have been born and partially raised in Latin American, and have lived in the U$ for a long time, and I still do not see why you see things the way you do. My family and I have been supremely oppressed and exploited, but I guess you have not been "privledged" enough to experience that. Although, I have been exposed Socialism since I was born, I was also exposed to many other sentiments that I do not agree with today. I am not Catholic as I was raised to be, nor am I anti-homosexual rights or pro-life. I came to my conclusions because of what I have experienced and researched on my own...not because of what I was told.

[Encrypted Soldier]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2005, 02:25 AM
I am from South America. I have seen the poverty of which you speak of. Che did some terrible things. The guerrilla down there does terrible things. The guerrilla is nothing to applaud. They have created a mess. THey are usually the ones responsible for kidnappings, drug trade, and other forms of violence. There not something great. They are not freedom fighters like you all see them.
You, my friend, have to read some books and articles made by Che. He strongly opposed using terrorism, selling drugs, kidnappng, sabotage (unless it's a military target), destroying civilian property (if that happened the civilian was to be repaid), and many other forms of violence. Che only directed his attacks on military targets, and if something happened to a civilian, the civilian was to be repaid during, or after the revolution in land or in money.

I strongly suggest you read some books that Che wrote about how to conduct a proper revolution.

[Don't Change Your Name]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2005, 02:25 AM
I am from South America.
Me too


I have seen the poverty of which you speak of. Che did some terrible things. The guerrilla down there does terrible things. The guerrilla is nothing to applaud. They have created a mess. THey are usually the ones responsible for kidnappings, drug trade, and other forms of violence. There not something great. They are not freedom fighters like you all see them.

Yeah man, I'm tired of those pinkos coming to our houses and raping our women and killing me! :rolleyes:

I do understand where they are coming from. Latin America is terrible. Poor people are screwed down there. It is really sad. Guerrillas were basically fighting to survive.THey just took a wrong approach. They got bigger, and did even worse things.


You can visit most countries in Latin and you will see a similar site. From los 'ranchitos' in Venezuela, to las 'Favelas' in Brasil, Los 'pueblos jovenes' in Peru, los 'gamines' in Colombia, las 'villas miserias' in Argentina, as well as many others all over Central and South America.

What are they? They are really really poor slums located in the biggest cities. These are really violent places. Many of the criminals come from these areas. Why? Because they need to survive. They resort to violence. It is sad. The fact is, the systems in Latin America have failed tremendously. They have been a form of mercantilist systems. Systems that are made to protect a few, everyone else is screwed. The problem is, people then feel that socialism is the response to all this. That has been our mentality, that is what we have been taught. Truth is, that is a terrible approach that only makes the government bigger, and people poorer. You can see the socialist policies that have been put into the system have only worsened the situation. Most countries in Latin America are really screwed, with maybe two exceptions: Definitely Chile, and Arguably Uruguay. Chile has opened their economy more than everyone else and they are really the best country down there. They have the best standards of living.

Err....I don't know which "socialist policies" are you talking about, but since the big populist died and a few time later the fascist military coup overthrew his wife (a whore, btw), things only got worse. And before this big populist, things were not so well thanks to the "Great Depression".


Most of you have probably noticed that there is a Terrible distribution of wealth in Latin America. Fact is, Socialism will only make it worse. That is what has been happening. It is a vicious cycle. Let me give you an example: " Guatemala in the 1950s had a larger economy that Taiwan. Both economies were based in Agriculture". Guatemala took a different approach that Taiwan. Taiwan went to more free markets(not entirely), and Guatemala did the opposite. In Guatemala, socialism was more of the approach. If you compare the two countries today, you will notice quite a difference. Taiwan has way better standards of living. Guatemala has one of the worst distributions of wealth in the world. I suggest you visit both countries, see where you would rather live.

What do you mean by "socialism"???


I did stray a little from the subject but only to give an example. The guerrillas are not at all good. They have brought a lot of crime and violence. Is is there faults that they are oppressed and screwed? No. Do they ultimately choose to be violent? Yes. If I were in their shoes, i would probably do the same thing. Fact is, that is the wrong approach. What Latin america needs is freedom. Liberty. Free markets. Trade. No Washington Consensus or the US government forcing us to ilegalize drugs. No foreign aid. Help us help ourselves. Give us freedom to prosper like the United States has done.

When we got more "freedom" (in your meaning of them term), things got even worse.


You Americans have it real good. You just do not notice. You take it for granted. That is why when we have a chance to come over here, it is most probable that we will succeed.

I'd probably have more chances to succeed in yankiland too, since that "market freedom" created huge unemployment here.

[SpeCtrE]

Man, I don't give a fuck of what others think of Che... All I know is that he stood fo the things that you didn't have the guts to stand for, To offer sacrificing himself for a cause much more sacred than his existence.

If you ain't down with that, well,.... I have a brilliant suggestion, why don't you cut your dick and shove it up your stinky ass.

By the way, I don't need to point out to you that you are not like us, So, please don't fucking come back here...

[Anarchist Freedom]

Che's actions are justified. When we where in vietnam we killed soldiers we captured yet ches killing of baitista followers and bourgeis loyalists isnt justified?

[bolshevik butcher]

Did Che ever support FARQ?

[NyChe21]

First and foremost, read my signature

Secondly: Of course Che went to the extreme with his revolution. But do not bash him because of it, all revolutions go that way with the exception of the American revolution. The French Revolution went to way more extremes that those that Che instituted. There is no such thing as a peaceful revolution. There is only reform and revision. Even the rightwing revoution is not peaceful. Pinochet did way worse than Che could have ever even dreamed of. Che did not, I repeat, did not order executions, he oversaw them (source being Companero:The Life and Death of Che Guevara). Do not accuse Che of torture and execution (even on the doorstep of Che's Cuba, Guantanamo Bay), the right wing has done the same, it is an essential part of practial revolution in the reality of the word. For anybody criticizing the Leftist revolutionaries of South America of brutal tactics, including drug trade, I would like to point out that paramilitary forces and American-backed right wing revolutions have commited the same atrocities.


Thridly: The previous critique of 'socialism' as directed at Alleynde and other Latin American countries is mislead. What you refer to as socialism may included some socialist principles but also a constant protectionism of state industries which does irreparable damage to the domestic economies. But a free market system, where the rich get richer and the poor get marginalized into slums is not entirely the solution. I am not that leftist to rule out the positives of a global economy, but I do rebel against its shortcomings and provisions for American global hegemony. This is what Che rebelled against as well. That is the part of Che's struggle that we choose to fight, regardless of communist economics or revisionist or socialist. The reality is that Che desired to give the land and thus the freedom to the people, not a select few or one dominant American regime. That, regardless of politics, creed, or culture, is the most noble cause to die for, and CHE DID.


Fourthly: On a personal political note, socialism is feasible and can be competive within the global realm. The fact is that the Latin American countries did not open their markets enough. But promoting corporate dominance of your people is not the way to go either. It is hard to find, but the middle ground between communism and complete free market system is feasible and has been demonstrated in Germany and Sweden. Even Thailand, a marvel of modern industrialization has sufficiently protected its working class with demands similar to those that Venezuela's Hugo Chavez (another supposed 'revolutionary') has made on multinationals wanting to invest in their domestic economy (such as 51% domestic ownership of production facilities as a rule).



We are convinced that democrats in America are moderate "girly-men" that do not have the ability nor the guts to bring about change. And thus we look farther to the left for hope, which is why we see Che as the icon that he is. The did bring about change. In fact, it was mentioned in another forum in response to some criticism that I made against violent revolutionaries, I found it to be correct. "Most of the change the change that has occured was brought about by radicals." In today's very much right-leaning hegemonic balance of power, we need somebody who represents the negation, and we have seen somebody that embodied that in the past, and that person was Che.

[themanwhodoesnotexist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2005, 09:57 PM
Before getting all upset please not that I respect Che's concern for people alover the world, and I respect his opposition to Batista. Also note that I respect Che's sincere sorrow and disgust felt towards the state of living conditions in south America during his motorcycle tour across the continent, and the charity work that he did. And I also respect his motivation to get up and do something about the way things were going but he got way out of hand.

I understand that trying to overthrow a government will put you in several situations of "kill or be killed" but Che took it far beyond this often. Che oversaw the deaths of a reported 500-1700 people during his 4 year term as the Commander of Cuba's main prison, It is reported by survivors including human rights activist Armando Valladares, that Guevara was a frequent user of brutal tactics of interrogation, torture, and execution of some prisoners.

Socialism needs to be re-wrote, and then re-named. Such violence will never create peace or harmony, Che was fool to think so.

Che made this statement to British-Socialist newspaper the Daily Worker on the topic of the Cuban missile crisis; " if the missiles had been under Cuban control, they would have fired them off". That's right all you kids wearing Che T-Shirts made in sweat-shops, the man on your chest wanted to kill your parents.

Don't be a fucking fool, Che is the face of the wrong kind of revolution.
PEACE
the USA is the child of the white supremist....
Che was friends with Malcolm X and both of them didn't kill innocent civilians...................
you know i know the old saying...." they are over there fighting and dying for your freedom".......Che was in a jungle struggling and eventually dying to overthrow oppressors.......he had asthma....mosquitos.......alot harder than sitting in an air conditioned room typing on a computer screen some magic........
just because your a coward and too scared to destroy the enemy of the planet earth don't attack my main Che cuz he wasn't......don't be jealous.........not everyone can be the Vanguard of the revolution......play your role trick.....

[Latifa]

Originally posted by themanwhodoesnotexist+Jan 27 2005, 03:55 AM--> (themanwhodoesnotexist @ Jan 27 2005, 03:55 AM)
[email protected] 20 2005, 09:57 PM
Before getting all upset please not that I respect Che's concern for people alover the world, and I respect his opposition to Batista. Also note that I respect Che's sincere sorrow and disgust felt towards the state of living conditions in south America during his motorcycle tour across the continent, and the charity work that he did. And I also respect his motivation to get up and do something about the way things were going but he got way out of hand.

I understand that trying to overthrow a government will put you in several situations of "kill or be killed" but Che took it far beyond this often. Che oversaw the deaths of a reported 500-1700 people during his 4 year term as the Commander of Cuba's main prison, It is reported by survivors including human rights activist Armando Valladares, that Guevara was a frequent user of brutal tactics of interrogation, torture, and execution of some prisoners.

Socialism needs to be re-wrote, and then re-named. Such violence will never create peace or harmony, Che was fool to think so.

Che made this statement to British-Socialist newspaper the Daily Worker on the topic of the Cuban missile crisis; " if the missiles had been under Cuban control, they would have fired them off". That's right all you kids wearing Che T-Shirts made in sweat-shops, the man on your chest wanted to kill your parents.

Don't be a fucking fool, Che is the face of the wrong kind of revolution.
PEACE
the USA is the child of the white supremist....
Che was friends with Malcolm X and both of them didn't kill innocent civilians...................
you know i know the old saying...." they are over there fighting and dying for your freedom".......Che was in a jungle struggling and eventually dying to overthrow oppressors.......he had asthma....mosquitos.......alot harder than sitting in an air conditioned room typing on a computer screen some magic........
just because your a coward and too scared to destroy the enemy of the planet earth don't attack my main Che cuz he wasn't......don't be jealous.........not everyone can be the Vanguard of the revolution......play your role trick..... [/b]
Do you talk this in person?

[themanwhodoesnotexist]

PEACE
the enemy of the planet earth especially for the past 500 years has been the white supremist system......look at pollution and poisonus products.......AIDS purposefully spread through innoculations, exportation of FDA rejected drugs and products to the 3rd world, greatest producer of pollution, the one who dropped poisonus illigal weapons such as the atom bomb, the one who's raining radiation on Iraq and Afganistan, the ones who's poisoning the water supply in COlumbia.......and thats just one category....pollution.......after 500 years of white rule in north america the land has been turned into a toxic wasteland........u know this whole paragraph is just decribing pollution.....if i touched on everything it would take 99 more paragraphs.........
Che Guevara tryed to destroy this Oppressor who is the enemy to all people black brown red yellow and white...........the enemy of the planet earth.....
just because you a little pussy and scared of guns don't start knocking people who died for your freedom........

[Latifa]

http://www.che-lives.com/forum/uploads/post-8-1105844007.jpg


just because you a little pussy and scared of guns don't start knocking people who died for your freedom

Well said.

[SpeCtrE]

well said.

[Big Boss]

Like I say, Spoken like a true prodigy!

[Big_Don]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2005, 04:35 AM
PEACE
the enemy of the planet earth especially for the past 500 years has been the white supremist system......look at pollution and poisonus products.......AIDS purposefully spread through innoculations, exportation of FDA rejected drugs and products to the 3rd world, greatest producer of pollution, the one who dropped poisonus illigal weapons such as the atom bomb, the one who's raining radiation on Iraq and Afganistan, the ones who's poisoning the water supply in COlumbia.......and thats just one category....pollution.......after 500 years of white rule in north america the land has been turned into a toxic wasteland........u know this whole paragraph is just decribing pollution.....if i touched on everything it would take 99 more paragraphs.........
Che Guevara tryed to destroy this Oppressor who is the enemy to all people black brown red yellow and white...........the enemy of the planet earth.....
just because you a little pussy and scared of guns don't start knocking people who died for your freedom........
Ever heard of INDENTATION you lazy fuck!

[Essential Insignificance]

Che made this statement to British-Socialist newspaper the Daily Worker on the topic of the Cuban missile crisis; " if the missiles had been under Cuban control, they would have fired them off". That's right all you kids wearing Che T-Shirts made in sweat-shops, the man on your chest wanted to kill your parents.

I think you have got your "source" hideously wrong on the quote you provided.

He actually made the "comment" to his secretary has he "stormed out" of his office in a fury.

So, therefore, it's purely anecdotal... not particularly factual.

Of which -- I think it properly did happen.

Even if it's true -- what's your point?

Did you want Cuba to sit in submission... and passively allow an imperial power to invade?

Don't be so stupid!

You assumed too much by declaring that Che would have "killed my parents" also.

[voice of the voiceless]

AIDS purposefully spread through innoculations

Please, explain, im interested.