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[freegirl]

Hey, I'm new at this site and new to communism, too. At the moment, I'm Centrist untill I've gotten a thorough understanding of all the different possibilities ( that's going to take some time.) ;) I sympathise with left-wing views generally, though I need to get a more thorough understanding of it. Mostly I'm interested in why different people take extreme different views, why they have decided to go for a certain lifestyle, religion or political idea. Hope to learn more here and keep an open mind.

[NovelGentry]

I sympathise with left-wing views generally, though I need to get a more thorough understanding of it.

I'm not trying to scare you off here. Sympathy is good and all, but what we need is people who truly understand what we're saying and promote it in any way they can. Hopefully with time you'll become one of those.

Cheers

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Welcome, have a nice day and come again. :D

[General Secretary of RWLP]

Welcome comrade to the world of Che. I hope you will embrace the veiws of Marx, Lenin and Stalin, but beware there are many Anarchist fools who post here Do not beleve a word they say. That is all.

General Secretary of GHRWLP

[Zingu]

Originally posted by General Secretary of [email protected] 21 2005, 12:55 AM
Welcome comrade to the world of Che. I hope you will embrace the veiws of Marx, Lenin and Stalin, but beware there are many Anarchist fools who post here Do not beleve a word they say. That is all.
Ah the regular routine of trying to win newbies to their ideological side! :lol:


I'm expecting the Anarchists will attempt to make a comeback, maybe its time for us "Marxist-Gentists" (NovelGentry's Marxist ideology, the more I think about, the more I agree with it) to advocate our side.



Mostly I'm interested in why different people take extreme different views, why they have decided to go for a certain lifestyle, religion or political idea. Hope to learn more here and keep an open mind.

Religon? What religon? There is no such thing as religon for us Communists, only as a curse word maybe, but nooo...

EDIT- BEWARE, your views might change radically when you read these forums after awhile. I was somewhat clinging to that last threads of my faith in religon when I joined these forums, now I've gone completely atheist.

[NovelGentry]

I'm expecting the Anarchists will attempt to make a comeback, maybe its time for us "Marxist-Gentists" (NovelGentry's Marxist ideology, the more I think about, the more I agree with it) to advocate our side.

I'm all for this, but not cause I want a cult following... I swear.

[seraphim]

welcome hope u find what u'r looking for

[Zingu]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2005, 08:27 AM

I'm expecting the Anarchists will attempt to make a comeback, maybe its time for us "Marxist-Gentists" (NovelGentry's Marxist ideology, the more I think about, the more I agree with it) to advocate our side.

I'm all for this, but not cause I want a cult following... I swear.
You're the next Avakian! :lol:

Well, then we need to find a proper name for it, not just "Gentism"

[BOZG]

Gent,
The trick is to publically come out against cults, then nobody notices when you're building the massive statues of yourself.

[freegirl]

Thanks for the welcome! I wanted to give a quick reply to several people before I start reading more.
NovelGentry- you say you need people who truly understand what you're saying and promote it in any way they can. Isn't the first step towards that sympathy and interest which may lead towards extensive knowledge and effective promotion?
Zingu- [/QUOTE]

How about Christian Anarchists? I thought communism was all about working towards a society which allows people to be free. Should that not include those who honestly try to live their lives after an example in an educated and honest way?

People seem to be a little anti-anarchistic here, why is that?

[NovelGentry]

You're the next Avakian!

I sure as hell hope not.


Isn't the first step towards that sympathy and interest which may lead towards extensive knowledge and effective promotion?

Yes and no. It may very well be the case, particularly if you CAN sympathize, but for many, capitalism is a problem and they are not able to sympathize because they've never known what it's like to be where the grass is greener. Instead, they are looking for their solution. What I am trying to say here, is sympathy is great and all, but if that is all it ever is, it's not something we need, nor should want.

Consistent sympathy that will never equate to action is something I consider to be a part of the "moral communists" ideology. Those are the people who say "We love the idea of equality, and we want the working class to be better, but there's no way what you're proposing will do it." More often than not this falls into social democratic welfare states and neoliberalism which eventually ends up strictly right wing again.

Like I said, I'm not trying to scare you off -- we need all the people we can get, but if we have the option to leave the moral communists at the door (and I think we do), then I think we should. Not saying you're part of this group, just pointing out that their sympathy is their only drive. I certainly hope you learn everything you can here and I most definitely help you find more than empathy at the end of this tunnel.

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

Hey comrade, welcome aboard.

I like yr name - revolution is free.

I assure you, there is a healthy portion of the site that has absolutely no problem with anarchists. Personally, I was at an anarchist meeting last evening and had a jolly good time. There were drinks, there was humour, there was shit-talking authoritarians and statists of all stripes.

I mean, everyone from Ernst Rohm to New Evolution (Local university student union) came up - what a ball.

Anywhom, if you can get past the fluff - and there's a lot of it - you'll find some great stuff at this site. I hope you stick around. :)

As to the sympathy business, the trick is translating sympathy into action. Everyone, even (if not especially!) the right pays lipservice to the causes of the working class (Or, if you're in the united states, that weird abstraction - "the middle class"), because, naturally, freedom, justice, peace, and equality have a sort of universal appeal . . . the trick is seeing these things manifest themselves meaningfully.

Er . . . right.

I'm going to finish breakfast.

[Zingu]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2005, 08:02 PM

I sure as hell hope not.


Was joking.

[Zingu]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2005, 07:17 PM

How about Christian Anarchists? I thought communism was all about working towards a society which allows people to be free. Should that not include those who honestly try to live their lives after an example in an educated and honest way?

Look at what the church has done, and is doing, any religon I mean. The Chirstain Dark Ages, the suppression of women's rights in the Middle East. Yeah, they might preach kindness and goodness, but just wait and see when those types get into power. The church is naturally reactionary and historically always have sided with the oppressors.

[Lacrimi de Chiciură]

EDIT- BEWARE, your views might change radically when you read these forums after awhile. I was somewhat clinging to that last threads of my faith in religon when I joined these forums, now I've gone completely atheist.

That is so true.

[NovelGentry]

That is so true.

I second that. I didn't want to tell anyone, but I'm actually President Bush, and my views have changed radically since I joined in August, I intend to act on these ideological changes in my upcoming term in the presidency.

[freegirl]

[QUOTE]

You are right, religion has a lot to answer for. In many cases it has oppresed its people. Does that mean that religion in itself is bad or the institution?
Look at communisms institutions, Stalinism in Russia for example. Of course I don't know about this so much, but from what I learned about planned starvation during Stalin's time and what I've seen and heard of the corruption in Cuba, it seems like in both cases the message is good, but what the people do to it is use it for oppresion.
Also, the church has not always sided with oppresion. It was in fact a Christian movement which campaigned and succesfully ended slavery in America.

[Zingu]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2005, 02:52 PM

Look at communisms institutions, Stalinism in Russia for example. Of course I don't know about this so much, but from what I learned about planned starvation during Stalin's time and what I've seen and heard of the corruption in Cuba, it seems like in both cases the message is good, but what the people do to it is use it for oppresion.
Also, the church has not always sided with oppresion. It was in fact a Christian movement which campaigned and succesfully ended slavery in America.
I find that hard to believe, in the bible itself; it supports slavery, as well as patriarchy, conformity and the subjectcation of women.
The church has always been in oppistion with the Communist movement, in Malta, some member of these boards was complaining how the church condemns the Socialist Party there calling it "sinful" and such.
The left wing and the church have always been historical rivals, take example the Paris Commune, preists were beaten in the streets, even rounded up and shot.
Same happened in the Spanish Revolution in the 1930s, the church was really just a capitalist racket (which it is), the church, who sided with fascist supported Franco; took some losses. Churchs were burned or turned into public urinals, anarchist and Communist iconoclasts smashed icons and statues of the Virgin Mary and other biblical figures, preists were hunted down by the working class, even the word "heaven" on gravestones were chipped out by viligant atheists as well.

[Karl]

I second that. I didn't want to tell anyone, but I'm actually President Bush, and my views have changed radically since I joined in August, I intend to act on these ideological changes in my upcoming term in the presidency.

gasp! i didnt realize George had such an IQ. now go ahead and pull us out of iraq Dubya, or as you call youself novelgentry

[TrenzTheLeader]

Welcome Freegirl...Im new to this site too... i have lived in El Salvador...was there during the War...and can tell you from experience that it iz a tremendous struggle to go against the grain...but well worth the fight...!!