Free Market Not REVOLUTIONARY

[Directive 280]

:hammer: Comandante Che Guevara was never a pro-capitalist and nowhere in his life struggle for social justice did he ever back down, reconsider, nor "recapacitated" as some romanticized right wing writers, reformists, and apologists seem to suggest-

He did have an OFFICIAL LINE-[B]Marxist-Leninist!!! and it was known Internationally by both friend and foe alike.

The so called "Pro-democracy" Marchers in Hong Kong, nor the pro marketist orange marchers in the Ukraine have no right to claim the Comandante's image and name to their cause-Shame on them!!!

Che Guevara had stated that one cannot trust the Imperialists nor their allies, not even in the tiniest point of vanishing" (this was a speech that he delivered in Havanna, Cuba) He also once swore to a picture of Stalin that he "would not rest until all the capitalist octopusses where crushed from the face of the earth"
(this before he actually got involved in the struggle-and eventually lead it)

So can anybody tell me in what portions of the Comandante's life was there any room for doubt!!??? :ph34r:

[RedAnarchist]

The free market is a very reactionary, conservative idea. We on the left are pro-fair trade, and advocate a regulated market, which is fairer to the poorer nations.

Do you have sources which shown these marchers using Che's image?

[NovelGentry]

We on the left are pro-fair trade, and advocate a regulated market, which is fairer to the poorer nations.

Really? I advocate NO market.

[Directive 280]

:hammer: If you have seen past newscasts of both the BBC and CNN International headlines you would have been able to see at least one of the marchers (in both marches) who sported Che Guevara T-shirts in these pro-market, Pro-west rallies, though it is not a rare event. I was really riled up when I once saw anti-communist marchers in Nicaragua during a Sunday homily officiated by ultra-rightist cardinal Miguel Obando y Bravo (catholic Church 2001 presidential elections) sporting Che Guevara's image on T-shirts as well

To these "Dons", I say: Ignorance is not a bliss.

Yours Truly;

Camarada Juan :ph34r:

[trex]

The free market is economic anarchy. Isn't that something you want, anarchists?

[Cal]

at least one of the marchers (in both marches) who sported Che Guevara T-shirts

it's a conspiracy I tell you.

And One of them had the cheek and arrogance to wear a red coloured hat, is nothing sacred!

It's a t shirt mate, chill out.

[Red_Rich]

Individualist anarchists want free markets, collectivist anarchists want common ownership. I think ull only find collectivists on this site.

I agree with novel gentry ...for once... a regulated market is not good enough, i advocate NO market.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

We on the left are pro-fair trade, and advocate a regulated market, which is fairer to the poorer nations.

Why do you say so?

[Karl Marx's Camel]

In other words, you are pro regulated capitalism....?

[Beccie]

Forgive me for being naive but if there were no markets wouldn't there still be inequality? i.e. Some countries/regions of the world would have more sophisticated technology and resources that cannot be developed in other parts of the world but may still be necessary to have.

Instead of the free market resources should be allocated in terms of need.

[NovelGentry]

Beccie, communism is nationless and stateless. Under communism the breadth of the world would be contributing to the wealth of the world, and all would benefit from it. There is no money, no supply and demand dynamic, only production (from each according to their ability) and consumption (to each according to their need).

[Directive 280]

:hammer: I agree with Red Rich and Noble Gentry of NO social transformation based on market and/or market values because, then why social transformation based on equality, when a market economy is precisely based on inequity in order to exist as such? Actually the closest thing that comes to a 'rightist' anarchist style of "free market" is something that might have already been practiced by the likes of Carlos Lehder, Pablo escobar, Al Capone, The United Fruit, ITT-with death squads, mercenaries advisers (not the financial type) assorted thugs,DDT, and the like..

I view a cooperativist style of agricultural system based on a true Agrarian Reform and terrian transformation based on "plot steps" based on southeast Asian agricultural practices and Inca practices of the past, this prevents erosion and runoff-The main goals are alimentation, housing, Universal education and health, but a strong cultural revolution will have to be implemented in order to concientisize the peoples who have become accustomed to a market structured "laidback" lifestyle-because there can be no true change if the social structure and practices remain the same.-After all, the people are the new government and not just a change of "head honchos" within the same system (capitalist..of course)

We cannot be the same monkey wearing a red dress (colombian proverb-"same monkey, different dress") :ph34r:

[RedAnarchist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2005, 04:05 PM

We on the left are pro-fair trade, and advocate a regulated market, which is fairer to the poorer nations.

Why do you say so?
The left tends to be like that, but i dont advocate regulated capitalism, but its more preferable to free market capitalism. Its the lesser of two evils.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

You said:


We on the left are pro-fair trade, and advocate a regulated market


Why do you say that, on the one hand, you advocate a regulated market, but on the other, you say that "the left tends to be like that", denying your support for capitalism.



but i dont advocate regulated capitalism

But you just said "We on the left" advocate a regulated market.

[RedAnarchist]

people on the left usually are anti-free trade and anti-globalisation arent they?

[Karl Marx's Camel]

Yes.

So why do you say that "we on the left are pro-regulated market"? Are you for or against the market?

What economic system do you prefer?

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2005, 09:30 PM
The free market is economic anarchy. Isn't that something you want, anarchists?
READ!

www.wikipedia.org/anarchism (http://www.wikipedia.org/anarchism)

[Cal]

Isn't World Communism the ultimate in globalisation.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

What?

[the_godless_communist]

Isn't World Communism the ultimate in globalisation.
It sort of is but I doubt that a Communist Government that large could never exist without being authoritarian and oppressive. I doubt it could ever exist at all.

[Abstrakt]

Did the person who started this topic say he saw catholic right-wingers sporting a Che shirt!??!