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Fidelbrand
19th January 2005, 11:34
Video shows dissent in North Korea, group claims
The Associated Press
Link:
http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/01/18/news/korea.html

A South Korean human rights group revealed on Tuesday what it claimed to be the first video images of dissident activity in North Korea.
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The scenes are from a shaking digital video camera that scans a rundown factory wall and zooms in on what many outsiders would consider impossible in North Korea. But the handwritten red-on-white poster is clear: "Down with Kim Jong Il! People, let's all rise up and drive out the dictatorship!"
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The tape, 35 minutes long, was made in November by one of 10 underground antigovernment organizations in North Korea to let the outside world know of its campaign against the brutal dictatorship, the South Korean group said.
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"Why is Kim Jong Il so intent on blocking reform and openness?" a leader of one North Korean group, Youth Solidarity for Freedom, said in a spoken statement recorded on the videotape.
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"People, let's stage both violent and nonviolent struggles. It's a legitimate struggle if you refuse to go to work when your factory does not provide food and living allowances."
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The statement urged North Koreans to wake up from the "personality cult that has made us fools." If verified, the video would be the first concrete evidence of political unrest in the isolated North. There have been occasional reports of armed rebellion, food riots and anti-government leaflets, but they have not been independently confirmed.
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The video was recorded near the Chinese border in the town of Hoeryong, according to defectors from there who saw the tape.
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There was speculation that video image of two antigovernment posters - hung on an abandoned factory wall and a bridge - might have been staged. But the South Korean group asserted that it was real.
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"We stand by its authenticity," said Do Hee Yoon, head of the Civil Coalition for Human Rights of the Kidnapped and Defectors from North Korea. "This shows that the people who made the videotape were daring and organized enough to do this kind of highly risky work."
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Such an act is punishable by death in the North, he said. Do said his group obtained the tape through an intermediary in China in early December. He said that his information on the North Korean group was limited, but that "outside forces" were helping dissidents expand their operations from provinces near the borders with China and Russia - traditional antigovernment hotbeds - deeper into the country and even to the capital, Pyongyang.
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The filming was done with "equipment provided by outsiders," Do said, without elaborating.
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The tape comes after the U.S. Congress in October enacted the North Korean Human Rights Act, which allows Washington spend as much as $24 million a year to promote human rights in North Korea. Pyongyang recently condemned what it said was U.S. "psychological warfare," accusing Washington of plotting to topple the government by flooding the country with tiny radios that can receive outside broadcasts.
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Experts differ widely on whether Kim Jong Il faces a serious challenge to the grip on power he inherited from his late father, President Kim Il Sung.
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South Korea's president, Roh Moo Hyun, has said that he sees little chance that North Korea will collapse.
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The Chinese ambassador in Seoul, Li Bin, was quoted last week by the South's JoongAng newspaper as saying, "To think that North Korea will collapse is far-fetched speculation."
.SEOUL A South Korean human rights group revealed on Tuesday what it claimed to be the first video images of dissident activity in North Korea.
.
The scenes are from a shaking digital video camera that scans a rundown factory wall and zooms in on what many outsiders would consider impossible in North Korea. But the handwritten red-on-white poster is clear: "Down with Kim Jong Il! People, let's all rise up and drive out the dictatorship!"
.
The tape, 35 minutes long, was made in November by one of 10 underground antigovernment organizations in North Korea to let the outside world know of its campaign against the brutal dictatorship, the South Korean group said.
.
"Why is Kim Jong Il so intent on blocking reform and openness?" a leader of one North Korean group, Youth Solidarity for Freedom, said in a spoken statement recorded on the videotape.
.
"People, let's stage both violent and nonviolent struggles. It's a legitimate struggle if you refuse to go to work when your factory does not provide food and living allowances."
.
The statement urged North Koreans to wake up from the "personality cult that has made us fools." If verified, the video would be the first concrete evidence of political unrest in the isolated North. There have been occasional reports of armed rebellion, food riots and anti-government leaflets, but they have not been independently confirmed.
.
The video was recorded near the Chinese border in the town of Hoeryong, according to defectors from there who saw the tape.
.
There was speculation that video image of two antigovernment posters - hung on an abandoned factory wall and a bridge - might have been staged. But the South Korean group asserted that it was real.
.
"We stand by its authenticity," said Do Hee Yoon, head of the Civil Coalition for Human Rights of the Kidnapped and Defectors from North Korea. "This shows that the people who made the videotape were daring and organized enough to do this kind of highly risky work."
.
Such an act is punishable by death in the North, he said. Do said his group obtained the tape through an intermediary in China in early December. He said that his information on the North Korean group was limited, but that "outside forces" were helping dissidents expand their operations from provinces near the borders with China and Russia - traditional antigovernment hotbeds - deeper into the country and even to the capital, Pyongyang.
.
The filming was done with "equipment provided by outsiders," Do said, without elaborating.
.
The tape comes after the U.S. Congress in October enacted the North Korean Human Rights Act, which allows Washington spend as much as $24 million a year to promote human rights in North Korea. Pyongyang recently condemned what it said was U.S. "psychological warfare," accusing Washington of plotting to topple the government by flooding the country with tiny radios that can receive outside broadcasts.
.
Experts differ widely on whether Kim Jong Il faces a serious challenge to the grip on power he inherited from his late father, President Kim Il Sung.
.
South Korea's president, Roh Moo Hyun, has said that he sees little chance that North Korea will collapse.
.
The Chinese ambassador in Seoul, Li Bin, was quoted last week by the South's JoongAng newspaper as saying, "To think that North Korea will collapse is far-fetched speculation."
.SEOUL A South Korean human rights group revealed on Tuesday what it claimed to be the first video images of dissident activity in North Korea.
.
The scenes are from a shaking digital video camera that scans a rundown factory wall and zooms in on what many outsiders would consider impossible in North Korea. But the handwritten red-on-white poster is clear: "Down with Kim Jong Il! People, let's all rise up and drive out the dictatorship!"
.
The tape, 35 minutes long, was made in November by one of 10 underground antigovernment organizations in North Korea to let the outside world know of its campaign against the brutal dictatorship, the South Korean group said.
.
"Why is Kim Jong Il so intent on blocking reform and openness?" a leader of one North Korean group, Youth Solidarity for Freedom, said in a spoken statement recorded on the videotape.
.
"People, let's stage both violent and nonviolent struggles. It's a legitimate struggle if you refuse to go to work when your factory does not provide food and living allowances."
.
The statement urged North Koreans to wake up from the "personality cult that has made us fools." If verified, the video would be the first concrete evidence of political unrest in the isolated North. There have been occasional reports of armed rebellion, food riots and anti-government leaflets, but they have not been independently confirmed.
.
The video was recorded near the Chinese border in the town of Hoeryong, according to defectors from there who saw the tape.
.
There was speculation that video image of two antigovernment posters - hung on an abandoned factory wall and a bridge - might have been staged. But the South Korean group asserted that it was real.
.
"We stand by its authenticity," said Do Hee Yoon, head of the Civil Coalition for Human Rights of the Kidnapped and Defectors from North Korea. "This shows that the people who made the videotape were daring and organized enough to do this kind of highly risky work."
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Such an act is punishable by death in the North, he said. Do said his group

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So, is this bourgeois media 's playtick again? Or is it a genuine uprise from the people themselves?

Discuss.

Colombia
19th January 2005, 14:43
With so little known about what North Korea is actually doing, no one can be sure.

h&s
19th January 2005, 15:10
Well without the video its hard to tell, but I think that this is bound to be made up by the South Koreans and the West. They want us to think (rightly or wrongly) that the people of North Korea are being oppressed so that we support any measures they take against the DPRK.

kingbee
27th January 2005, 07:30
what i find interesting (it was in other reports) is that these protestors put down kim jong il, but back kim il sung. you get the feeling they really do like il dung out there.

refuse_resist
27th January 2005, 23:33
This all sounds like typical capitalist propaganda as usual.

bolshevik butcher
28th January 2005, 13:15
Oh come on. We're not oing to pretend that North Korea isn't headed by an oppressive dictatorship are we? It's people like Kim Jong Il that give us a bad name.

h&s
28th January 2005, 15:13
Originally posted by Clenched [email protected] 28 2005, 01:15 PM
Oh come on. We're not oing to pretend that North Korea isn't headed by an oppressive dictatorship are we? It's people like Kim Jong Il that give us a bad name.
Regardless of that, why should we not condemn something that is blatantly made up? As you say the DPRK gives us a bad name, and shit like this only back that up.

Bolshevist
28th January 2005, 17:56
Originally posted by Clenched [email protected] 28 2005, 01:15 PM
Oh come on. We're not oing to pretend that North Korea isn't headed by an oppressive dictatorship are we? It's people like Kim Jong Il that give us a bad name.
Not at all. People like Kim Jong-Il are true socialist and anti-imperialist heroes.

bolshevik butcher
28th January 2005, 17:56
Originally posted by h&s+Jan 28 2005, 03:13 PM--> (h&s @ Jan 28 2005, 03:13 PM)
Clenched [email protected] 28 2005, 01:15 PM
Oh come on. We're not oing to pretend that North Korea isn't headed by an oppressive dictatorship are we? It's people like Kim Jong Il that give us a bad name.
Regardless of that, why should we not condemn something that is blatantly made up? As you say the DPRK gives us a bad name, and shit like this only back that up. [/b]
I'm not saying that we shouldn't. I'm just saying it's wrong to pretend that N Korea is some kind of "socialist" country.

Non-Sectarian Bastard!
28th January 2005, 23:58
I bet a totalitarian state governed by the country's only fat man was indeed what Marx meant with "communism".

RABBIT - THE - CUBAN - MILITANT
29th January 2005, 00:01
Yah, most of the "facts" about North Korea are pretty sketchy

American_Trotskyist
29th January 2005, 00:45
Yeah, I can't get anything on North Korea, their party doesn't even have a website. Non Sec, Marxism is backed by history and science and it is democratic. Go spout your nonscientific, humanist Bullshit to some kids who might believe it.

Fidelbrand
29th January 2005, 11:29
Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2005, 04:30 PM
what i find interesting (it was in other reports) is that these protestors put down kim jong il, but back kim il sung. you get the feeling they really do like il dung out there.
simple enough, Il Sung was more of a considerate leader than his son.

Fidelbrand
29th January 2005, 14:53
Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 09:45 AM
Yeah, I can't get anything on North Korea, their party doesn't even have a website. Non Sec, Marxism is backed by history and science and it is democratic. Go spout your nonscientific, humanist Bullshit to some kids who might believe it.
Crazy fuck, Marxism is virtually dead in DPRK, they have their version of self-rule called "Juche".

and i asume you are not that stupid in assuming that Non Secatrian Bastard wasn't joking sarcastically when he posted that, right?

Red Heretic
29th January 2005, 15:19
AT, I believe he was joking sir.

Fidelbrand
31st January 2005, 15:45
A monarchic psuedo-SociAliSm

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20050131/capt.sge.gfy43.310105072306.photo00.photo.default-291x384.jpg

North Korean leader Kim Jong-Il. North Korea's media has for the first time raised the issue of a possible hereditary transfer of power from dictator Kim Jong-Il to one of his sons, South Korean media reported.(AFP/Jiji Jiji Press/File)

Way to go~~~~~

:D

bolshevik butcher
1st February 2005, 19:37
Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 12:45 AM
Yeah, I can't get anything on North Korea, their party doesn't even have a website. Non Sec, Marxism is backed by history and science and it is democratic. Go spout your nonscientific, humanist Bullshit to some kids who might believe it.
Eh yeah I think he was joking.

kingbee
4th February 2005, 10:05
Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 02:53 PM
[QUOTE=American_Trotskyist,Jan 29 2005, 09:45 AM]
Crazy fuck, Marxism is virtually dead in DPRK, they have their version of self-rule called "Juche".


it is their own interpretation of marxism, as is marxism-leninism, stalinism, maoism....etc.

some of the theory is well thought out. not so the practice, though.