hindering racism extinction

[Anarchist Freedom]

Lately Ive been noticing that black people use the term nigger alot amongst themselves. But when the white man uses it. Its a fucking hell storm. A black man can go around calling white people crackas honkeys w/e other white racist word you want. BUT when A white man uses the word nigger its fucking pandemonium. Does using a racist word geard at your own race hinder the extinction of racism????

[Militant]

I don't know. I always assumed by using a word once meant to degrade them makes them feel powerful. But when a white fellow uses it, it brings back painful group memories. ssomething along those lines, methinks.

[synthesis]

I think Militant aptly covered the reason why "nigger" is acceptable from one group and not the other. But of course there is also the reactionary cliche of:
A black man can go around calling white people crackas honkeys w/e other white racist word you want. BUT when A white man uses the word nigger its fucking pandemonium.

It's pretty simple, really. Except in recent years, in places like Zimbabwe, there have been no recorded instances of blacks oppressing whites, only whites oppressing and exploiting blacks.

Reactionary whining such as this takes only a superficial look at the situation and does not account for the historical contradiction between "white" and "black."

I mean, Jews are white, and there is always widespread protest whenever Jews (or any other historically disadvantaged ethnicity) are unduly attacked. There was political pressure against the Malay ultra-nationalist president in the 1980's when he began throwing around anti-Semitic claims; same with the pre-Saudi Arabia Malcolm X when he did the same.

It all has to do with the historical precedent.

[Discarded Wobbly Pop]

Originally posted by Anarchist [email protected] 18 2005, 01:00 AM
Lately Ive been noticing that black people use the term nigger alot amongst themselves. But when the white man uses it. Its a fucking hell storm. A black man can go around calling white people crackas honkeys w/e other white racist word you want. BUT when A white man uses the word nigger its fucking pandemonium. Does using a racist word geard at your own race hinder the extinction of racism????
You can look at this subject two ways: realistically and ideally.

Realistically, I think Dyermaker is on the right track.

Ideally, the word "nigger" should either never be used period. Or it should be used by everybody in every single rediculous situation, to belittle it's meaning.

I think I'll go with realistically.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by Anarchist [email protected] 18 2005, 01:00 AM
Lately Ive been noticing that black people use the term nigger alot amongst themselves. But when the white man uses it. Its a fucking hell storm. A black man can go around calling white people crackas honkeys w/e other white racist word you want. BUT when A white man uses the word nigger its fucking pandemonium. Does using a racist word geard at your own race hinder the extinction of racism????
I'm sure any number of oppressed black kids whould gladly trade places with you and give up the luxurious South Bronx lifestyle, daily social discrimination, sub-standard education, workforce discrimination and the threat of racial violence just so you can use the word "nigger" around your mates without "pandemonium" breaking out.

Get the fuck over it, cracker.

[Sovietsky Souyuz]

I think that black people calling each other nigger is either something of an ironic statement, or basically a way they can stick two fingers up at their evil white oppressors of doom

Anarchist freedom, you can't call a black guy nigger because it's racist, and thus you deserve to die, but a black guy can call you what he likes because he's oh-so oppressed and downtrodden, and that apparently absolves racism.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Anarchist freedom, you can't call a black guy nigger because it's racist, and thus you deserve to die, but a black guy can call you what he likes because he's oh-so oppressed and downtrodden, and that apparently absolves racism.

And white man's burden here wondered why he was restricted.

Good grief, I see a definite future in the BNP for you, sucka.

[Sovietsky Souyuz]

Im a member of the british communist part actually.

But through personal experience my statement is true. I walk through an area of town called chuckery, which is almost 80% asian, and get called 'white bastard' and other things, and no-one says a thing or bats an eyelid.

An asian comes into any regular white-dominated area, and is called 'paki', and the perpertrators are immediaty lynched.

Now, do you see how that works ?

[Vinny Rafarino]

Yes, I do see how reactionary racism disguised under the cloak of "Communism" "works".

You sound strikingly familiar to the YNF cock suckers that I had to deal with growing up in the late 70s.

You're not going to get any sympathy from me for your "realism" kid, I've seen your brand of "realism" in action and know exactly where it leads.

Like I said, don't get to used to your "Communist Party" membership as you will be soon trading it in for one that more appropriately suits your true nature: The BNP.

[Quixotic]

For one, can we stop throwing the word "nigger" around so carelessly?

My people do not call each other "nigger", they call each other "nigga", as stupid as this seems - there is a huge a difference. I could rant a few paragraphs as to why it's "ok" that we (not myself) call each other by this term, I actually don't approve of it and try to encourage my peers to replace it with the world "brother", but here's an example:

Your little sister was in an abusive relationship for years, one day her old boyfriend comes back around, now if you were to wrestle with your sister it would be fine - but if he were to there would be awkward tension and confusion.

That's the best way I can put it. African's were oppressed for hundreds of years, and don't take this in a past tense because we still are, if for whatever reason we want to use the world among our selves that doe snot give _you_, as a white descendant to use the world, and a better question is: why would you want to?

[Vinny Rafarino]

if for whatever reason we want to use the world among our selves that doe snot give _you_, as a white descendant to use the world,

Sorry mate, but placing rights restrictions on individuals based on the colour of their skin or the possible past history of some of their ancestors is also a racist action, therefore I must completely reject this statement.

I can choose to call my friends, black white or otherwise "nigga" as much as I please. As a child of the seventees, I am actually quite fond of using such terms as "brother" or "jack" when speaking with my friends.

Would I have the cheek to say that unless you too were born in the late sixtees, you don't have the right to use slang terms that were popular in that day?

Of course not.

The actual point is that reality does show us that blacks are still discriminated against in modern society; so who really gives a fuck all if a major portion of modern society chooses to "make amends" to blacks by not whining like *****es everytime a brother tosses out the word "cracker" without any repercussions.

It's dismissed as "comedic justice" as it should be.

The fact of the matter is that it's a small price to pay.

Can you dig what I'm saying jack?

[Anarchist Freedom]

Im just trying to say that by any race using the word nigger nigga and all its other forms its doing nothing to bring about the extinction of racism.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by Anarchist [email protected] 19 2005, 01:03 AM
Im just trying to say that by any race using the word nigger nigga and all its other forms its doing nothing to bring about the extinction of racism.
That's one way to put it however the reality of the situation is that by your own admission you are angry about white people not getting a "fair shake" in the derogatory slang department.

If you were truly concerned about "stamping out racism" you most certainly would not have taken the time to vent your misguided frustrations.

You would have already realised that being a young white kid from what I would imagine is suburban America gives you an incredible amount of social, political, educational and employment opportunities that a black kid of equal intelligence and age simply will not get.

So why would you be angry that society has decided to throw black America a "bone" by looking the other way when as they vent frustrations you personally will never have to deal with?

Considering that only a few short years ago blacks were consistently murdered for something as ridiculous as "looking at a white woman" or not addressing a four tooth having, moonshine swilling, 3rd grade educated hillbilly as "sir", it seems to me that "looking the other way" is the least you can do.

We must also consider the fact that even today neo-nazi and KKK organisations are commonly allowed to publically harrass and threaten violence and death on blacks and other groups. I would have to say that realistically, white people still have the "monopoly" on public displays of racism.

How many "kill whitey" rallies do you hear about?

[Taiga]

About so-called "equality". I heard that American blacks often use this historical oppression and racism whenever and wherever they want. Just use it. For example, the employers are simply afraid to refuse to employ a black employee, because he may say that the refusal was based on his skin colour and to sue the employer. Is that true or not?
Sorry for my bad English

[RedAnarchist]

Rascism is a white European invention anyway.

White people moaning about black "rascism" is like a rich fat cat store owner complaining about a poor homeless guy who has stolen a small loaf of bread from his store.

[Theodore Bone]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2005, 08:59 AM
Rascism is a white European invention anyway.

White people moaning about black "rascism" is like a rich fat cat store owner complaining about a poor homeless guy who has stolen a small loaf of bread from his store.
A white European invention? Well as a remeber it people were slaves way before, the white europeans began to invade Africa. Racism has existed since people began to have egos.

[redtrigger]

We must also consider the fact that even today neo-nazi and KKK organisations are commonly allowed to publically harrass and threaten violence and death on blacks and other groups. I would have to say that realistically, white people still have the "monopoly" on public displays of racism.

Black Panthers are allowed to do the same thing. You'll fire off some bullshit about how that it is not their purpose to be a racist organization. And their original purpose was not, this is true. But now, they are just the black KKK. If blacks want to call each other "nigga" its no hair off of my balls. But if you call me a cracker or a honkie, then it is my problem, and I have no qualms about putting a boot in someone's ass. If I get my ass kicked then I do. I view rascism as intolerable no matter from which mouth it flies. If you think that your race deserves, and this is directed to everyone, special treatment then you are the one placing barriers in front of the advancement of your people. NOT THE WHITE DEVIL.

[ganja guevara]

Originally posted by Anarchist [email protected] 19 2005, 01:03 AM
Im just trying to say that by any race using the word nigger nigga and all its other forms its doing nothing to bring about the extinction of racism.
I agree with this point.

[Sovietsky Souyuz]

I agree with redtrigger. racism is abhorent, doesnt matter whos mouth its from.

[Hampton]

Lately Ive been noticing that black people use the term nigger alot amongst themselves. But when the white man uses it. Its a fucking hell storm.

Doesn't this explain itself? I mean the answer should be obvious. It does have a different connotation when someone of the same race calls someone of the same race a nigga. They share the same experiences of being in a racist country and more times than not it is used as a form of affection and brotherhood. It involves taking back the work and giving it a different meaning, taking the power out of the word.


Im just trying to say that by any race using the word nigger nigga and all its other forms its doing nothing to bring about the extinction of racism.

The use of the word is in all honesty the least you should be worrying about if you want to bring about the extinction of racism. There are bigger fish to fry and more things to overthrow if you want to end racism.


For example, the employers are simply afraid to refuse to employ a black employee, because he may say that the refusal was based on his skin colour and to sue the employer. Is that true or not?

This is not true for a number of reasons. 1- Your average black person does have the money to hire a lawyer to sue a company for not hiring them. 2- If this was true black people would not have the largest percentage of unemployment because they would have all the jobs that they applied for.

Logically it makes zero sense.


Anarchist freedom, you can't call a black guy nigger because it's racist, and thus you deserve to die, but a black guy can call you what he likes because he's oh-so oppressed and downtrodden, and that apparently absolves racism.

Life is a bith ain't it?

[Vinny Rafarino]

Black Panthers are allowed to do the same thing.

Please provide empirical evidence to support you theory that the Black Panther Party currenty organises public activities that's sole purpose is to convey the message "kill whitey".

Don't bother kid, you can't.


But now, they are just the black KKK

:lol:

"Red" Trigger indded.


But if you call me a cracker or a honkie, then it is my problem, and I have no qualms about putting a boot in someone's ass.

It appears we have a little cracker assed, honkey tough guy.

You're not fooling anyone son.



I view rascism as intolerable no matter from which mouth it flies.

Of course you do dear.



If you think that your race deserves, and this is directed to everyone, special treatment then you are the one placing barriers in front of the advancement of your people.

"Your people".

:lol:

[Raisa]

Originally posted by Sovietsky [email protected] 19 2005, 08:49 PM
I agree with redtrigger. racism is abhorent, doesnt matter whos mouth its from.
Using the word niggah is not racist.
You can say it too if you damn well please....
Non blacks get called niggah too.
We are all niggahs to the system.

What I think some people are not realizing is WHEN people say this word.

look at this shit, people:

How many black people do you see just going into the post office talking about "yo my niggah, wheres my package?"

You know when he would say that? If he is friends with the post man, and he knows him like that.

Can you imagine Condoleeza Rice going up to Colon Powell in the white house?
" niggaaaah!"

No!

... its an informal word ...you know, and there is a time and a place for everything.
If you want to get that familiar with someone you better make sure you know them like that.

[Raisa]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2005, 05:11 PM
If you think that your race deserves, and this is directed to everyone,
What do you mean by special treatment?

[Raisa]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2005, 06:19 AM
About so-called "equality". I heard that American blacks often use this historical oppression and racism whenever and wherever they want. Just use it. For example, the employers are simply afraid to refuse to employ a black employee, because he may say that the refusal was based on his skin colour and to sue the employer. Is that true or not?
Sorry for my bad English
Often? Where did you hear that from?
And what country are you in if you dont mind me asking you.

Alot of times, black people ARE qualified for the job. It is this bourgeois white bullshit talk of "special treatment" that perpetuates the racism that insists they are not.

[Discarded Wobbly Pop]

Sorry for the waste of a post! I tried to post a link but I can't pull it off. :(

[Latifa]

We are all niggahs to the system.

Finally, some fucking sense. How true.

I actually got kicked from a school trip for saying "wassup homie?" to my ( white ) friend on the grounds that I might incite racial hatred :lol: on the trip. <_<
Fuckin teacher thought that "homie" was a racist term for a black man :( Talk about idiots.