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anarchocommie
17th January 2005, 03:35
Ive got all his spoken word stuff, most of his musical albums, (about 25 in all), and credit him the most in turning me from basic social democratic to something that actually made sense. Alot of my friends hate his voice, but I honestly like it and have even been known to screech a high pitched 'California UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUber alles!!!" to annoy the friends mentioned above. What is everyone elses opinion on Jello,DK,etc?

The Garbage Disposal Unit
17th January 2005, 04:37
Fresh Fruit For Rotting Vegetables, Plastic Surgery Disasters, and Last Scream Of The Missing Neighbours are all fucking amazing.

In particular, "Full Metal Jackoff" may be the best getting-close-to-a-quarter-of-an-hour song ever written.

celtopunk
17th January 2005, 10:35
He's great, no question don't anybody be fooled by the faux Dead Kennedys that are touring around with their second fake singer. In the 3 or 4 years of their new found existence without Jello have yet to record any new material but instead choose to re-release old recordings and tour duping unsuspecting fans into thinking that they might actually see the real Dead Kennedys.

Now the only Jello project that I don't really care for is the Tumor Circus album, everything else is gold.

anarchocommie
17th January 2005, 12:03
Full metal Jackoff Might be one of my favorite songs of all times..and that entire album with DOA I think ranks with anything Dead Kennedy,s ever did..as for the Faux Kennedys, they played here about 2 years ago...needless to say I didnt go...Dk without Biafra is like socialism without marx.

anarchocommie
17th January 2005, 12:04
Also..Im looking forward to hearing his new stuff with the Melvins..anyone else own this and can give me a quick review?

celtopunk
17th January 2005, 23:35
Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2005, 12:04 PM
Also..Im looking forward to hearing his new stuff with the Melvins..anyone else own this and can give me a quick review?
Good stuff, Melvins with Jello how can you go wrong?

anarchocommie
18th January 2005, 00:51
After I get mytaxes Im going to buy some At stuff like I do every year..Ill get Jello with the Melvins and probably pick up Wesley Willis' Greatest Hits volumes 1,2 and 3 too. Maybe some Slim Cessna Auto Club and Causey Way too if I think about it.

kidicarus20
18th January 2005, 03:28
Dk without Biafra is like socialism without marx.

Isn't that what the guy in your avatar preaches? He's called Marx "dull" and said that lenin and Trotsky were just as bad (if not worse) then Stalin. Probably accurate.

truthaddict11
18th January 2005, 03:40
hes good i find his spoken word however repitive and more boring every one he puts out

anarchocommie
18th January 2005, 16:03
Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2005, 03:28 AM

Dk without Biafra is like socialism without marx.

Isn't that what the guy in your avatar preaches? He's called Marx "dull" and said that lenin and Trotsky were just as bad (if not worse) then Stalin. Probably accurate.
Actually I was being a little facetious, I didnt really expect that off the cuff comment to be combed over for political accuracy. Actually..while Chomsky does talk against the blind devotion to Marx and Marxism he has some use for, like all communist should, for his class analysis and his work toward at least trying to develop coherrant opposition to capitalism, flawed theories or not. He also said it is hard to pin down an exact 'Marxism' being that the man himself evolved over the course of his life. He does fault Lenin and Trotsky, and I agree with him,(although I wouldnt say worse or as bad as Stalin), but he also said he found worth in Lenins Revolution and The State and his April Thesis, aso even that isnt absolute.

The Forum Idiot
18th January 2005, 16:25
I've heard 2 Dead Kennedys songs and they're one of my favourite bands. That says a lot. The two Biafra songs I've got (both on Celtopunk's mixes) are pretty cool too. I adore Holiday In Cambodia.

celtopunk
18th January 2005, 23:05
Originally posted by The Forum [email protected] 18 2005, 04:25 PM
I've heard 2 Dead Kennedys songs and they're one of my favourite bands. That says a lot. The two Biafra songs I've got (both on Celtopunk's mixes) are pretty cool too. I adore Holiday In Cambodia.
I've probably already said this but here it goes again just about anything Biafra is involved with is musical gold. Get any DK album and any of the collaborations that he's done are great as well, the one with DOA, Nomeansno, Mojo Nixon, Lard, Melvins etc.

PRC-UTE
19th January 2005, 01:44
I love the Dead Kennedys, especially Fresh Fruits. His spoke word thing is dull because he always says the same things and is on closer inspection basically a liberal.

celtopunk
19th January 2005, 10:20
Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2005, 01:44 AM
I love the Dead Kennedys, especially Fresh Fruits. His spoke word thing is dull because he always says the same things and is on closer inspection basically a liberal.
I would disagree with the liberal part. He's a leftist for sure just not communist/socialist.

anarchocommie
19th January 2005, 14:36
I agree Celto..I adore the man but he does make a common mistake that most leftist do..replacing Anti-capitalism with anti "corporatism" and anti 'globalisation"....as if huge corporations were bad, but the system that they take advantage of to screw us all is ok..as long as noone isnt too successful at it.; and as if globalisation isnt simply the next expansionary phase of capitalism..honestly capital has been "globalising" for decades just now the uSA has been hurt by the policies..while before it was just everyone else that was getting screwed. Still like the guy though.

The Forum Idiot
19th January 2005, 17:20
I thought liberals were generally leftist...Well, I get confused easily so sorry if I sound like an idiot or anything... I'm only 13!

Anyways, rock on Biafra!

anarchocommie
19th January 2005, 22:48
No need to apologise for your personal perception..just because I see things a different way does not mean reality conforms to my view of it. Its great to try to accept others arguments if you find worth in them but you have to balance that with enough confidence in yourself not to subserviate your intellectual abilities with anyone elses. Never apologise for a different opinion.

The Forum Idiot
20th January 2005, 15:56
I mean I was apologising if I didn't know much about liberalism... Anyways yea, i think I basically got most of what you just said.

kidicarus20
27th January 2005, 02:44
Originally posted by anarchocommie+--> (anarchocommie)Actually I was being a little facetious, I didnt really expect that off the cuff comment to be combed over for political accuracy.[/b]

I didn't really think so I was just pointing out Chomsky's theory seems to be some type of a community based society that has some marx ideas but is not Marxism.


Originally posted by [email protected]
Actually..while Chomsky does talk against the blind devotion to Marx and Marxism he has some use for, like all communist should, for his class analysis and his work toward at least trying to develop coherrant opposition to capitalism, flawed theories or not.

Interesting. Yes, Chomsky seems to want community based societies in which the workers control their own resources. The workers would not have to follow any one ideology in order to do this, but coercion would never be justified (like the coercion of CEO and worker). His opposition to capitalism is pretty clear though if you ask me: corporations are unjustly put in positions of power because they control the resources and the government is just there to protect them, they're "fascist" in nature and "authoritarian," this sounds like communist criticism but this is really just anarchist criticism (as you know).

I've listened to some chomsky speeches on anarchy and he says that libertarian-socialism and the nonstatist version of marxism is what he prefers.


anarchocommie
He does fault Lenin and Trotsky, and I agree with him,(although I wouldnt say worse or as bad as Stalin), but he also said he found worth in Lenins Revolution and The State and his April Thesis, aso even that isnt absolute.

Yes and he's also said corporations sometimes do good things to, and that there was some "justification" to FDR's authoritarian state. Chomsky uses logic to show that under current situations some things he may not like are actually better than the alternative. (Like his support for a Universal Health Care even though he is an anarchist. This could also lead to anarchy, as things would get better and better and it would be easier to make the transition.) How many more people would have starved if capitalists had been put in place rather than authoritarian socialists? Probably more people. I don't know what he was talking about ther,e or even if it was true, but Chomsky has said Lenin and Stalin were equal terrorists.

PRC-UTE
27th January 2005, 02:57
Originally posted by celtopunk+Jan 19 2005, 10:20 AM--> (celtopunk @ Jan 19 2005, 10:20 AM)
[email protected] 19 2005, 01:44 AM
I love the Dead Kennedys, especially Fresh Fruits. His spoke word thing is dull because he always says the same things and is on closer inspection basically a liberal.
I would disagree with the liberal part. He's a leftist for sure just not communist/socialist. [/b]
I agree that he's left wing, comrade, but not a communist or anarchist as he's criticised the idea of revolution and anarchism.

The Forum Idiot
27th January 2005, 15:21
*stares blankly and nods*

anarchocommie
27th January 2005, 15:51
Originally posted by OglachMcGlinchey+Jan 27 2005, 02:57 AM--> (OglachMcGlinchey @ Jan 27 2005, 02:57 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2005, 10:20 AM

[email protected] 19 2005, 01:44 AM
I love the Dead Kennedys, especially Fresh Fruits. His spoke word thing is dull because he always says the same things and is on closer inspection basically a liberal.
I would disagree with the liberal part. He's a leftist for sure just not communist/socialist.
I agree that he's left wing, comrade, but not a communist or anarchist as he's criticised the idea of revolution and anarchism. [/b]
In Understanding Power among other places he has said he supports a moneyless economy based on the from each according to his needs to each his abilities idea, with worker control of production. He has also said people should find concentrations of power where ever they can find them and dissolve them as much as possible. I dont argue that he has said some negative things about the tendancies..but I think you can critique something you believe in, and indeed must if you ever plan to make it better.

celtopunk
28th January 2005, 01:51
Originally posted by OglachMcGlinchey+Jan 27 2005, 02:57 AM--> (OglachMcGlinchey @ Jan 27 2005, 02:57 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2005, 10:20 AM

[email protected] 19 2005, 01:44 AM
I love the Dead Kennedys, especially Fresh Fruits. His spoke word thing is dull because he always says the same things and is on closer inspection basically a liberal.
I would disagree with the liberal part. He's a leftist for sure just not communist/socialist.
I agree that he's left wing, comrade, but not a communist or anarchist as he's criticised the idea of revolution and anarchism. [/b]
He criticizes blind dogmatism so yes in that sense he might not be considered an anarchist by some and no he certainly is not a commie. I don't think he's made blanket statements criticizing revolution or anarchy though.