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che_phoenix
15th January 2005, 23:26
ok, so here is what i have so far...it doesnt make total sence right now, but it is a work in progress

If a tree falls in the middle of a forest, does it make a sound?

To answer the question “if a tree falls in the middle of a forest, does it make a sound?”…the answer is no, but it makes an echo.

Understanding my answer to this question, you first need to understand certain aspects of the way i think.

1. Death/ Life
2. Dreams
3. Emotions


1. Death:

Death is a destination. Is there an afterlife? I think not, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
Most of us learn in science, when we are young, that you cannot destroy energy. It occurs in many different forms: Lights; Heat; Emotions; Life.

Men fear death as children fear to go in the dark; and as that natural fear in children is increased by tales, so is the other.
Francis Bacon

What exactly is death?

Death is energy moving out of us. We are like complicated batteries that react with the energy of this thing called life. Energy flows through us, like it does on the computer I am typing on. What makes us different from this computer? The answer is we can feel things. Emotions are just different power levels of energy making us feel a certain way, which means we could be computers, a form of super computer that has the ability to upgrade itself as many times as it wants.

We have many emotions, which are in a way, the same way electricity can be stored, turned into light, and heat. This is where it gets tricky. The theory, which I was briefly explained, was that when you die, your energy releases and you transcend into the universe as energy, which in turn, is used to create something else. This is part of what I call the echo effect.
(death is energy idea is credited to seraphim on www.revolutionaryleft.com)


2. Dreams

Every man is a universe within himself
Bob Marley

We may not know it, but our minds aren’t actually our minds. Picture them as a universe, where each galaxy is a previous form of being. Whether this being is man, animal, etc, we still have occurrences where we have flashbacks, also known as dreams. These dreams are a way to teach us lessons from our previous beings mistakes. These ‘dreams’ are just ways of keeping the dead alive. Seeing how it has already been stated that death is energy leaving the body, and that nothing we do is actually happening, we are stuck here, in existence until our energy dies. We cannot ‘die’. We live on in dreams, and we exist in a multi-verse.

I will move back to dreams in a little while, I will now explain the multi-verse.

The definition of a multi-verse is an apparent universe, a multiplicity of which, go to make up the whole universe, which is basically explained as a infinitely sized 3-D cube with billions of marbles in them. This can be used to explain life. We are but a marble in a infinitely sized box. The box is ever growing, and the only way we can understand the box is to work together. Being marbles, it is hard to us to co-operate with each other. We are separated into various categories: colour; size; shape. There are certain marbles that try to take advantage of other marbles and they are called capitalist marbles. They try to overtake all of the other marbles, and make themselves more powerful, making the weaker marbles weaker.



keep in mind, that its a work in progress, and that it isnt anywhere near being done. i would like some feedback on things that might need changing, or added detail. i plan on using more metaphors and that kinda stuff, i just wanna get all my ideas down on paper first.

Trissy
16th January 2005, 01:00
Most of us learn in science, when we are young, that you cannot destroy energy. It occurs in many different forms: Lights; Heat; Emotions; Life
You should be careful in expressing your views this strongly in philosophy. The last two forms of energy in your list are very contentious. Instead of 'life' perhaps a more accute way of expressing it would be 'chemical energy'. This covers the energy forms found in cells, food and in batteries. As for emotions, you haven't really established an argument for calling emotions a form of energy. Your writing acts as if Materialism is universally accepted when this is far from the case. If you haven't argued for an idea (like Materialism) then your argument suffers if you assert something based on assuming that this idea is true.


Emotions are just different power levels of energy making us feel a certain way
See above. I see no way that you can assert this with the strength that you appear to in this article.


The theory, which I was briefly explained, was that when you die, your energy releases and you transcend into the universe as energy, which in turn, is used to create something else. This is part of what I call the echo effect.
You would do well if you looked into the Second law of Thermodynamics here. Briefly expressed it states that the Universe is moving from a chaotic state to a state of order. The consequences of this law is that eventually the Universe will reach a state where it cannot become more organised than it already is, and by this time all life will have ceased to exist (since atoms as low temperatures are more organised than those at high temperatures). Simply put there is a theoretical end to these energy transfers and so in theory there will come a time when nothing else is created.


We may not know it, but our minds aren’t actually our minds. Picture them as a universe, where each galaxy is a previous form of being. Whether this being is man, animal, etc, we still have occurrences where we have flashbacks, also known as dreams. These dreams are a way to teach us lessons from our previous beings mistakes. These ‘dreams’ are just ways of keeping the dead alive. Seeing how it has already been stated that death is energy leaving the body, and that nothing we do is actually happening, we are stuck here, in existence until our energy dies. We cannot ‘die’. We live on in dreams, and we exist in a multi-verse.

I will move back to dreams in a little while, I will now explain the multi-verse.

The definition of a multi-verse is an apparent universe, a multiplicity of which, go to make up the whole universe, which is basically explained as a infinitely sized 3-D cube with billions of marbles in them. This can be used to explain life. We are but a marble in a infinitely sized box. The box is ever growing, and the only way we can understand the box is to work together. Being marbles, it is hard to us to co-operate with each other. We are separated into various categories: colour; size; shape. There are certain marbles that try to take advantage of other marbles and they are called capitalist marbles. They try to overtake all of the other marbles, and make themselves more powerful, making the weaker marbles weaker.
This cannot be argued against because it cannot be argued for in the first place. It is mere metaphysical speculation that can be heard from many cosmologists. The problem with metaphysics of this sort is that they cannot be understood. They make no meaningful claims about our world. As they cannot be falsified, they have little value to no value in to the modern world. They serve as much purpose as the worthless claims provided by religion...

che_phoenix
16th January 2005, 01:31
thanks for teh feedback...

im researching the first few changed u suggested, and i am deciding on what to do for the last suggestion