STATISM?....!?

[prettyred]

since i converted my ideas to the left i have come to the understanding that real communism is stateless, thats right right?
but in my political history lesson today i wos given a political diagram and communism was sat beside fascism ans were both titled STATISM, gimme sum info comrades.

thanks

[Abstrakt]

well...You were in History class. You know how the School system can fuck things up

[Super Mario Conspiracy]

since i converted my ideas to the left i have come to the understanding that real communism is stateless, thats right right?

Yes, communism IS stateless - in fact, no state or government can ever say that they are communists because if there is a government or a state - then it is not communism. Socialism, on the other hand, can have governments.


but in my political history lesson today i wos given a political diagram and communism was sat beside fascism ans were both titled STATISM, gimme sum info comrades.

Many people, who are not very much concerned with politics, see communism as the governments of Cuba, the former Soviet Union, People's Republic of China, Laos, North Korea and so on. What they don't know (maybe they don't even care) is that all those governments practiced stalinism and in some degree fascism.

You can read more on the free encyclopedia, what communism IS, not what conservative authors have written:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

[prettyred]

thanks :ph34r:

[Abstrakt]

That's what I try telling people in class...It's not communism if there is Government's and states!

[Red_Rich]

Something you missed out. Karl marx's idea of the dictatorship of the working class (cnt spell the actual word). After a revolution, a state is necessary to get rid of counter revolutionaries and spread communism thruout the world.

After that has been completed, the state should, in theory,whither away.
All 'communist countries' still had or have states because the stage in which the state can whither away has not been reached.

Hope that answers your question comrade.

[apathy maybe]

The USSR (and China today) was not socialist. The main reasons for this were the differentials in wealth and power. Socialism is about equality. While it is possible to have a socialist state, there has not yet been a true one.

Communism is a classless stateless society. No country has ever claimed to be communist. The leaders of these countries (the USSR being the main one) merely claimed that they were moving along the path to communism. The claimed this, contrary to all the facts available.

It is my humble opinion that you should leave you school and go to a better one. If this is not an option, try and educate the others in your class. Speak out when you see something wrong like this, explain why it is wrong. Draw a diagram like from politicalcompass.org, while it does not show things such as how a political theory, leader etc. treats nationalism or other races, it does give a indication on the economics and state involvement in peoples lives.

On the horizontal is how much the theory (or whatever) cares about society and individuals in general. This is the economic axis.
Socialism is on the left. Capitalism is on the right. On the vertical is state involvement in the economy and peoples lives. In the top, lots, on the bottom not much.

This is a very simplistic model, but should be enough to sort out the stupidities of the teacher. If the teacher persists in spreading falsehoods, make a complaint to the authorities (not that you are likely to get much sympathy).

[prettyred]

why then do u think theyre is so much fault in media and how they can be so far from the truth?

[prettyred]

so what title would you give USSR, Cuba etc.
Workers state?

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

All of the countries you just mentioined were 'backward' and fudal when revolutions broke out. As such, these were bourgeois revolutions - they completed the tasks that were completed by, for example, the French Revolution. What they established was State-Capitalism. States beaved like giant monopoly corporations, and generated surpluss value off the working class.
"Real" examples of working class control Workers Councils in Hungary (1956) were supressed by the Soviet Union.

Hoorah.


(Also, haven't seen you around - welcome to the board.)

[prettyred]

cheers and cheers again, youll be hearin more from me im sure.