Willy Wonka - a slave master?

[truthaddict11]

my little brother renter will wonka the other day i have always liked this movie, my friends and i make fun of all the drug references but until the other day i hadnt realized that the oompah loompahs were slaves and that in the earlier versions of the book that the oompah loompahs were black africans. was willy wonka a slave master i mean he didnt pay the oompah loompahs or anything. i guess his factory was a modern plantation

[Supermodel]

I cannot beleive they market this disgusting crap to children. I'm scared of those umpa lumpa's and I'm a grown woman.

They are the reincarnation of the devil. The whole movie puts sweets and candy into a good-versus evil role that parents have abused for centuries. The myth of sweets as a reward or being withheld as a punishment, or that you will be rewarded for behaving exactly as ordered, or turn blue and explode if you don't do as instructed, the whole movie is insane.

I'm telling you, this and Alice in wonderland are both serious Acid flashbacks masquerading as kids' movies.

Add James and the Giant Peach and Nightmare before christmas to the list too. And that horrible movie Bettlejuice. Why do they market that to kids?

[Supermodel]

Oh and while we're at it, that dreadful Wizard of Oz movie is no way intended for kids anyway.

Isn't the story an economic satire based on the gold standard (the "yellow brick road")....anybody remember that theory?

And who does the wizard represent? The church? The presidency? The national economy?

[Lardlad95]

suoermodel you idito...sorry I didn't mean that.

Anyqay Alice inwonderladn=oppium not acid

I mean the guy who wrote the book smoked oppium, was in love with a little girl named alice, and took naked pictures of little girls

he was an 1800's 9or 1900s) version of R. Kelly

[I Bow 4 Che]

regardless of what you all say ww IS MY FAVORITE MOVIE SO MEH! well it is....and i did a report in class about all the drug references in Alice and Wonderland...just look at the big bong the caterpillar has...and the mushrooms....

[Reuben]

Comiing to think of it they probably were. There is a real similarity between the stuff about the ompah loompahs and proslavery propaganda. For example it talked about how when willy wanker found them they lived in the trees and survived by eating cattapillars and stuff.

[Anonymous]

where the oompah loompahs part of a union? coz i thought the deal was that in return for food and shelter they would provide Mr Wonker with 'services'. He saved them from something didnt he?

[Conghaileach]

from Supermodel
And that horrible movie Bettlejuice. Why do they market that to kids?

Did Beetlejuice not have a 15 certificate?

[MJM]

Alice in wonderland was written under the influence of laughing gas.
Ever wondered why people sniff glue and petrol? You end up in wonderland, beats the crap outta the land with the bridge you're sleeping under.

[Supermodel]

Just looked up Beetlejuice and it's only PG. I would never let my kids see that crap.

My kids love all the blow-em-up explosion movies, they know that's not real, and they go "yuck" at the romantic scenes. That's why I'm glad now they tell you why the movie gets the rating. But this freaky stuff, it gives me nightmares.


I'll stick to classics like the Great Escape and Four Weddings and a Funeral. Oh, English patient too, book was much better than the movie.

[Conghaileach]

I have Beetlejuice here on DVD and it's rating is 15. I think this translates to PG-13 in the U$.

[Political Prisoner]

Reading through this thread i have tried to think of the drug and slavery references in these movies but i only saw WW when i was very young and i never saw Alice in wonderland. So i was wondering if u guys could make a complete list of all the deeper messages put into these movies. Then knowing them i could watch the movies and enjoy them.
thanks

[Brian]

And you thought Willy Wonka was bad!


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(Edited by Brian at 10:19 am on July 11, 2002)

[suffianr]

Bloody hell, that's mad, isn't it? Fucking racist, eh? I never realised, I used to enjoy Rupert crap when I was a kid...Damn, makes you think, doesn't it? I wonder what other kinds of crap I used to read & watch as an innocent little child... :)

[Anonymous]

A jam company had to change their mascot from a 'golly' a few years ago, for decades they'd had golly give aways with badges and such like. Its amazing how racist 'developed' countries were even within the last 50 years.

[Supermodel]

Oh, Rupert and the Coons!!! I still have those books (my parents must have kept them).

Yes, the wonderful way we were all brought up......

I don't have BJ, but Amazon gave it a PG rating, but you are right, Ciaran, it better be 15.

Now someone please explain those Austin Powers movies to me.......

[Vladimir]

Oompa Loompa, doompadee doo
We have a perfect puzzle for you.
Oompa Loompa, doompadee dee
If you are wise you will listen me.

What do you get when you guzzle down sweets,
Eating as much as an elephant eats?
What are you at getting terribly fat?
What do you think will come of that?
I don't like the look of it.


Gum chewing's fine when it's once in a while.
It stops you from smoking and brightens your smile
But it's repulsive, revolting, and wrong,
Chewing and chewing all day long
The way that a cow does.


Who do you blame when your kid is a brat,
Pampered and spoiled like a Siamese cat?
Blaming the kids is a lion of shame.
You know exactly who's to blame:
The mother and the father.


What do you get from a glut of T.V.?
A pain in the neck and an I.Q. of three.
Why don't you try simply reading a book?
Or could you just not bear to look?
You'll get no commercials.


If you're not greedy you will go far.
Given good manners you will go far.
If you're not spoiled then you will go far.
You will live in happiness too.
Like the Oompa Loompa doompadee do.

[Vladimir]

Willy Wonka rescued the Oompa Loompa from Loompaland, it was a horrid place, the poor little oompa loompas couldnt protect themselves from the vicious Vermicious Knids......lol

[Lefty]

yeah, apart from the poppy fields in the Wizard of Oz and the caterpiller on the MUSHROOM smoking the hookah-bong thing, and the general trippiness of Alice in Wonderland, what deep meanings are there?

[Conghaileach]

Scooby-Doo and The Magic Roundabout are also rather notorious for drug references.

[Carl]

Quote: from truthaddict11 on 3:19 pm on July 9, 2002
my little brother renter will wonka the other day i have always liked this movie, my friends and i make fun of all the drug references but until the other day i hadnt realized that the oompah loompahs were slaves and that in the earlier versions of the book that the oompah loompahs were black africans. was willy wonka a slave master i mean he didnt pay the oompah loompahs or anything. i guess his factory was a modern plantation


It's a fucking childrens movie you said fucking git!

[pastradamus]

Quote: from CiaranB on 3:05 pm on July 12, 2002
Scooby-Doo and The Magic Roundabout are also rather notorious for drug references.

yeah whats that majic roundabout thingy like?

[Zippy]

I like Willy Wonka, its basically a story about not being greedy, which people don't say very often these days. As for the other aspects of the film, i think Dahl had many more ideas than even we can begin to understand. :)

Zippy.