English revolution

[Soviet sally]

The revolution cannot be passive-agressive, or it wont work. The communist population in England is to quiet, and need urgent re-assement of what there actions are doing for the revolution, if anything. The communist population must act.

[Rage Against the Right]

It's a global problem, even more glaringly evident in the U.S. What do you think we should do to get our voices heard?

[Elmo]

You guys are right, someone should do something. But there isnt enough revolutionaries in England, it wouldnt last.

[Ĉħé_Ĝűĕ]

With an attitude like that it wont!! Well maybe we could try getting out there! Lead by example! And no matter how few of us there are, if we wer enthusiastic and really went for it and actually tried to make it difference it will be worth it!!!

[Elmo]

What all 3 of us? oh great.....

[Ĉħé_Ĝűĕ]

dont b so stupid! theres more then 3 in the whole of england!! thats just immature

[Elmo]

how the smeg are u plannin to start a revolution wen only 3 ppl (soviet sally, me, u) ansa this forum, u gonna go fru the fone bk askin ppl?

[commiecrusader]

Whilst suggesting there is only 3 active revolutionaries in England is somewhat naive, it is a valid point that support is far from adequate. A revolution now would be crushed, no doubt about it.

The best that can be done at the moment is to spread the word, try to create a class consciousness, an awareness of the flaws of the current system, and encourage people simply to read political books, be they leftist or right-wing, the truth will out. Stick up posters, hand out leaflets.

More than that, these actions need to be happening accross the globe, especially in the big powerful nations, since without simultaneous/almost simultaneous takeovers of all the most powerful countries, a revolution won't succeed. If there was a revolt in England, the U$ and the rest of Europe (minus Spain) would come crashing down like a tonne of bricks, imposing sanctions, denouncing the takeover, potentially giving military aid. We have to wait until the time is right, and until it is, we must do all we can to bring that time on.
:ph34r: :che: :ph34r: :cuba:

[Elmo]

Im not syin theres only 3 english revolutionaries, im sayin theres only 3 english revolutionaries that have answerd the forum. How can we spread the word to a happily capatlist country?

[Ĉħé_Ĝűĕ]

I never said anything about a revolution! I totally agree! Thats what ive been saying! We need to make people aware!!

[Elmo]

On a scale big enough to be worth bothering, what do you porpose we do to spread the word?

[Ĉħé_Ĝűĕ]

God elmo! Cant you read?? "how can we spread the word?"????!!!! The guy has given examples of how in his post! How old are you? You come out with real ignorant comments!

[Ĉħé_Ĝűĕ]

Well try getting off ur ass and trying first eh?! Hand out leaflets! Make ppl aware of what we are about! Talk to ppl!! Bloody try! Dont just think "whats the point" Are you the type that needs a whole gang of ppl to stand up for what u believe in?? Cos im not! Even if its just you! One person CAN make a difference if u damn try!! Even if you get only one person to be more aware, its still ONE person!!!! Its still something! You have to work at it, If u really felt it in your heart u would try anyway!! Who cares what they think??

[Elmo]

To avoid ruining my current state of zen, I SAID ON A LARGE ENOUGH SCALE! how is leaflets gonna convince enough people?

[Elmo]

Ok, whoeva u damn are, you and your 1 man army go on your lil rampage, and ill watch, good luck dude

[Ĉħé_Ĝűĕ]

Che started off with hardly anyone! You have to start somewhere! Do what you can!

[Elmo]

ye ur rite, barely any1....it was just him and that really small gang of ppl CALLED CUBA!

[Ĉħé_Ĝűĕ]

I will!! cos im not gonna stand around and wait for everyone else to sort it, then join in when its all safe and secure! That way it WILL NEVER get achieved! How do you expect more people to join us then??? Magically???????????? You have to do something about it!! By making people more aware ul get more people on your side!! use your brain!

[Elmo]

no u see, now im curious, ill wait infront of my tv for the news "SOME DENSE ENGLISH ***** HAS LIBERATED SOUTH AMERICA FROM CAPATILIST OPPRESSION" how long that gonna take u, a week? then move onto south east asia eh? then middle east, fuck it go for everywer, how long we talkin a month, open your eyes jerk of

[RedAnarchist]

Ok, theres no need to call her a *****. Its generally considered a misogynistic word and isnt accepted on this forum.

[commiecrusader]

Fuckin hell we dont stand a chance if you two can argue so much just about how long its gonna take. Who gives a fuck? It will take as long as it takes and it will take longer if we sit on our asses. Plus, the more people made aware, the more people will be spreading the word. The movement can and will grow bigger and bigger.

[Ĉħé_Ĝűĕ]

OMG! what the fuck are you on?? Seriously mate can you read????? :s I dont think you can! And did i say its gonna take a week! I said if we all get together and make ppl more aware we would have more ppl on our fucking side! N o w, d o y o u u n d e r s t a n d????? obviously, u dont wana get off ur ass and do anything, ur all mouth! thats fair enough! but i get enough shit from people who hate me for my political views, im not taking shit from people who share my fucking views!. so go fuck urself!!!

[Ĉħé_Ĝűĕ]

Thank you commiecrusader im glad someone here can read!! ;) i know, but that dick doesnt understand! but screw him

[Ĉħé_Ĝűĕ]

I felt secure on this site! Like with like-minded ppl, and it made me feel like we should all stick 2gether and try ya know?! that was.... till that ass came along!! i dont wanna fight any of u! if we cant stick together whats the point eh?

[commiecrusader]

Whilst being the 'left', it is factionalised extremely, and there will be people you disagree with (*cough* Comrade RAF *cough*). Nevertheless, hopefully you will share at least core beliefs with everyone outside Opposing Ideologies, which contains some crack pots lol

[Discarded Wobbly Pop]

Originally posted by Soviet [email protected] 11 2005, 10:02 PM
The revolution cannot be passive-agressive, or it wont work. The communist population in England is to quiet, and need urgent re-assement of what there actions are doing for the revolution, if anything. The communist population must act.
I find that the biggest chink in the left is that we have no plan. Inssurection is looking like a more viable option than revolution to me right now.

[commiecrusader]

To Elmo:

'The World is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing.' ~ Albert Einstein

:engles: (closest lookin smilie i could find lol)

[Elmo]

call me a dick, u live in london u scrubber. cept west london.....u really big scrubber!

[Ĉħé_Ĝűĕ]

Who lives in London?? What are u talking about? And y you calling me that?? lol! I have a feeling u are really young...... Look Even if i did live in London :s lol, You need to read what i say before you insult me! and if we all fight each other we will never achieve anything! we have to stick together! if u dont want to and ur hearts not in this then fine! i wont judge you for that! just dont judge me cos mine is!!!!!

[commiecrusader]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2005, 08:46 PM
call me a dick, u live in london u scrubber. cept west london.....u really big scrubber!
Why dont you shut the fuck up if your not going to contribute anything useful. Thats just spamming. So you have a disagreement. Have a structured argument not a mud-slinging contest.

[Hate Is Art]

3 Cheers for CommieCrusader, someone who has sense. Elmo and Che Gue, please shut up.

[Ĉħé_Ĝűĕ]

wasnt tellin me to shut up genius ;) read the argument!

[Elmo]

Dont giv me your "dont argue" bullshit, u called me a dick! scra-hu-ya-hu!

[Ĉħé_Ĝűĕ]

Look mate im not arguing with u anymore :) Its over ok? Sorry i called you a dick, but you are just as bad with what u called me! Just read what ppl say from now on :) take care xxxxxxxx

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by Soviet [email protected]Jan 11 2005, 11:02 PM
The communist population in England is to quiet
Not necessarily. It maybe small, but not necessarily quite. There is many issues that communists are involved in fighting. The stop the war coalition for one.


and need urgent re-assement of what there actions are doing for the revolution,

Revolution is an event that will happen when it is ready. What is important is to work within the working class to agitate ideas. The best way to do this is through united front issues, direct action and unions.


The communist population must act.

The communist "population" is acting. You're just not apart of it.

[Rockfan]

How about freeing one of the english colines like new zealnd??!!

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2005, 01:52 PM
You guys are right, someone should do something. But there isnt enough revolutionaries in England, it wouldnt last.
Like I said before people are doing something. You just need to be apart of it. Funnily enough there have been people before you who have had the idea to do something :P

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by Ĉħé_Ĝűĕ@Jan 12 2005, 02:27 PM
Well maybe we could try getting out there! Lead by example!
But will that achieve communism?


And no matter how few of us there are, if we wer enthusiastic and really went for it and actually tried to make it difference it will be worth it!!!

It's definatly worth it :) And many people, thousands in fact believe it to. The revolutionary left isn't as small as you may think. There are many organisations and many people all over the world fighting to achieve a world without capitalism.

What is necessary for us all, is to be apart of that.

[The Feral Underclass]

And in future guys, let's try and be a bit more civil about our disagreements.

[Cal]

There are many organisations

This is one of the main problems and is the reason that people on the left in England feel isolated, there is only cohesion on the big issues and therefore there isn't a large presence or doesn't appear to be one to those who don't know.

Also many of these groups feel morally superior or more educated than others and therefore there is a lot of strong resentment between groups. often who have splintered off from each other.

Now I'm from the 'revolution but ony on a wednesday group' we have just split from the thursday group who have formed a coalition with the 'revolutionary on a day with heavy rain' (who were the militant wing of the light drizzle group)

[commiecrusader]

Che's take on what we should be doing:
'More preferable is effort directed at large concentrations of people in whom the revolutionary idea can be planted and nurtured, so that at a critical moment they can be mobilized and with the help of the armed forces contribute to a favorable balance on the side of the revolution.

'For this it is necessary also to make use of popular organizations of workers, professional people, and peasants, who work at sowing the seed of the revolution among their respective masses, explaining, providing revolutionary publications for reading, teaching the truth. One of the characterisitics of revolutionary propoganda must be truth. Little by little, in this way, the masses will be won over. Those among them who do the best work may be chosen for incorporation into the rebel army or assignment to other tasks of great responsibility.'

This was taken from 'Guerilla Warfare', written by Che.

Rockfan: Im only too happy for New Zealand to be freed. Unfortunately, Im not Tony 'the lapdog' Blair, or Elizabeth II lol.

Cal: You sum it up so well lol.

[Invader Zim]

Looking at you two idiots, I'm moving to australia, as I can see that if you are the basis of our revolution then were fucked before we even start.

I bet you're both northeners as well, have an infinatly large amount in common, etc.

[Ĉħé_Ĝűĕ]

Well at least im trying!! and i was upset because i fucking care you fool!!!!!!!!!