Terrorism and Fundamentalism

[Bealfan]

Hi!

Let's speculate, suppose the Soviet Union was alive and held the status America has right now....how would the socialist state respond to terrorism and fanatics like Osame Bin Laden?

Plus, what policy would you use to contain terrorism and the spread of fundamentalism in the world.

[h&s]

'Socialist State.' What do you mean by this? Do you mean the degnerative socialist state with its parasitic bureucracy like the USSR was, or do you mean a real socialist state? A bureucratic state would probably act in the same way that the US is, as the bureaucrats would use it as an excuse to hold on to their power. A real socialist state would do nothing like the US is. They would not want to infringe on their own human rights.
The only way to stop 'fundamentalism' would be to spread communism around the world. No-one would support it if they know that they are already truly free.

[bolshevik butcher]

They'd probably find someone else to fund. The ussr wasn't communistm anyway.

[h&s]

No-one here said it was....

[dso79]

Let's speculate, suppose the Soviet Union was alive and held the status America has right now....how would the socialist state respond to terrorism and fanatics like Osame Bin Laden?

Plus, what policy would you use to contain terrorism and the spread of fundamentalism in the world.

The reaction of the Soviet Union would probably be exactly the same as the US’ reaction: invasions and disproportionate violence against anyone remotely linked to the ‘terrorists’. Remember that the USSR already fought against Osama, in Afghanistan.

Terrorism can be contained by not giving anyone a reason to commit terrorism. Most terrorist acts are the result of injustice done to people who have no other way to respond. The people blowing themselves up among civilians in Israel or Russia have often endured a lot of humiliation and violence before they decide to strike back. They don’t do it because ‘they hate freedom’, or something.

In a true socialist society, there wouldn't be any terrorism, because there would be no reason for.

[trex]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2005, 01:56 PM
In a true socialist society, there wouldn't be any terrorism, because there would be no reason for.
Not true.

No matter how free, perfect, or united you get a world or country, there will always be a onle crazy who feels the need to express their grievences violently. Remember Timothy Mc Veigh, the nazi who decimated a government building in Oklahomah? He was definitely crazy.

The Manson Family? Stoners who thought the Beatles were telling them to kill.

It won't end with socialism.

[h&s]

No because in socialism the state is still there, so there is still an 'enemy' to attack. In communism however, things may be different....

[dso79]

You're right, I meant 'communist society'. I sometimes have trouble distinguishing between those two concepts. Thanks for the clarification.

[Bealfan]

Well, ok,.....
and how would you reduce it,.....Like what policy towards Arabs

[h&s]

What do you mean by policy towards Arabs? Do you mean the Israel/Palestine question? (I take it you are still talking about a socailist state) It is my opinion that we should not take 'racial' sides on any issue - we should support whatever benefits the working class (both Israeli and Palestinain) the most. However is that region really our business? Why should Western countries interfeer where they are not wanted? Of course we would promote revolution in all countries, and thats about as far as it goes.

[Bealfan]

well,

let me tell you what I would do,

I would indoctrinate the arabs and so much that they would think again before blowing themselves up.....

Do you know what fundamental islams preach....... if you kill a infidel christian you shall spend eternity in heaven with the company of 40 virgins,

That is what I heard and I paraphrased, I might be mistaken

HASTA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE

[Bealfan]

DAmn, I would blow myself if I knew that I would live in heaven in the company of even 10 virgins

[h&s]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2005, 02:37 PM
well,

let me tell you what I would do,

I would indoctrinate the arabs and so much that they would think again before blowing themselves up.....

Do you know what fundamental islams preach....... if you kill a infidel christian you shall spend eternity in heaven with the company of 40 virgins,

That is what I heard and I paraphrased, I might be mistaken

HASTA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE
OK.
1. Indoctrination? That gains the people nothing. You don't want to control them - you want them to be in control. Education of the class struggle is what they need, not brainwashing.
2. Don't think that the sucide bombers are believers of fundamental Islam - they are followers of the little bits of the Qu'ran that their preacher wants to brainwash them into thinking that it lets them kill people.

[Ele'ill]

Remember Timothy Mc Veigh, the nazi who decimated a government building in Oklahomah? He was definitely crazy. There are so many inconsistancies surrounding that event it isn't worthy to even bring it up in a debate. And if i'm correct which i'm not 100% claiming to be, many of these political structures dont' support the right enviorment for 'trouble makers' such as terrorists or power hungry individuals. They just cannot survive. They need fellow neighbors to survive however this exclusivly applies to domestic situations.(like in the case of tim mcveigh if you believe the fox news version verbatum)
It is however naive to believe that simply because your country is content in a peaceful sharing mode, that another country would not invade.

[Bealfan]

I did not know the timothy mcveigh ( no capital letter for him ) was a NAZI,...But I don't think he could be called a fundamental because he really was a stupid guy who thought that bombing a building and killing people was rather a cool idea,....Anyhow, Mcveigh was twisted, so were the manson family, I don't think they should even be graded as Humans......Let's not talk about Animals like them, Ok?

anyhow, what I meant by indocrinating them [ARABS] is to make them aware of the minority interpretation of Islam is wrong,. Bottomline, educate them so that they can root out the fundamentalists.

That is how I meant ' indoctrinate ' to mean. But thanks for the pointer comrade H and S.

Bealfan aka ak-94u

[Big_Don]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2005, 07:58 AM
I did not know the timothy mcveigh ( no capital letter for him ) was a NAZI,...But I don't think he could be called a fundamental because he really was a stupid guy who thought that bombing a building and killing people was rather a cool idea,....Anyhow, Mcveigh was twisted, so were the manson family, I don't think they should even be graded as Humans......Let's not talk about Animals like them, Ok?

anyhow, what I meant by indocrinating them [ARABS] is to make them aware of the minority interpretation of Islam is wrong,. Bottomline, educate them so that they can root out the fundamentalists.

That is how I meant ' indoctrinate ' to mean. But thanks for the pointer comrade H and S.

Bealfan aka ak-94u
I totally agree to your policy. Indoctrination,now why didn't I think of that.

[Bealfan]

Right On....

What I really hate about the Arabs is that the fact they love money much more than their brothers. The Saudis especially, they have sold their Palestinian Brothers....

Not to mention the fact that they are lazy...

I know this is a sweeping generalisation, but that is how an Arab is perceived by me and People like me...I am willing to hear someone who can respond back about this.

[h&s]

What I really hate about the Arabs is that the fact they love money much more than their brothers. The Saudis especially, they have sold their Palestinian Brothers....

Not to mention the fact that they are lazy...

I know this is a sweeping generalisation, but that is how an Arab is perceived by me and People like me...I am willing to hear someone who can respond back about this.
WTF!?!
This site does not tolerate racism.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2005, 09:21 AM
I totally agree to your policy. Indoctrination,now why didn't I think of that.
What do you think will be achieved by forcing someone to believe something?

[Ele'ill]

Right On....

What I really hate about the Arabs is that the fact they love money much more than their brothers. The Saudis especially, they have sold their Palestinian Brothers....

Not to mention the fact that they are lazy...


My response to that is just as you said, it's a generalization. I'm not sure where you pulled these opinions from as opinions are usually based on some fact or notion of fact. What did you mean by 'sold their Palestinian Brothers....' ? Are you implying that the palestinians are the only group still struggling and not giving in to the capitalist market? (oil ect..) If this is the case, I would have a response but for the moment your post is much to vague.

[Big_Don]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2005, 12:22 PM
Right On....

What I really hate about the Arabs is that the fact they love money much more than their brothers. The Saudis especially, they have sold their Palestinian Brothers....

Not to mention the fact that they are lazy...

I know this is a sweeping generalisation, but that is how an Arab is perceived by me and People like me...I am willing to hear someone who can respond back about this.
Well actually not in that sense Bealfan..... Looking from my last post I think that my last comment about indoctrination are bordering on racism.
I totally BELEIVE in the NO RACISM theme across this site. I think that your comment quoted above is actually quite...how shall I put it 'overly racist'.

So I'd be EXTREMELY CAREFUL on what you post Bealfan.

[bolshevik butcher]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2005, 12:22 PM
Right On....

What I really hate about the Arabs is that the fact they love money much more than their brothers. The Saudis especially, they have sold their Palestinian Brothers....

Not to mention the fact that they are lazy...

I know this is a sweeping generalisation, but that is how an Arab is perceived by me and People like me...I am willing to hear someone who can respond back about this.
yeah, every last Arab, especially the communist ones.

[B_T_N_H]

Hi.

This is Bealfan, I cound't sign in with my original ID because I made some remarks which were really racist. I tottaly respect the decision to ban me because of that statement.

But what I meant to say was Arab leaders, I just made the assumption that everyone will think that I was writing about the leaders and NOT the Arabs.

You can call me whatever you want, even a racist. But that isn't who I really am and it wouldn't matter.

As for the Arab leaders, probably with the Exception of Gamal Abdel Nassir and Probably quadaffi I still would call the lazy and Too much in love with money than their own people.

Bealfan aka ak-94u

[Ele'ill]

I don't think the word 'lazy' can really describe someone unless you know that person personally. It just dosn't fit correctly. I think that you thought racism included everything except your own personal prejudices but they in fact count as well.

[B_T_N_H]

Lazy, that I admit was a racist thing to say.....

I will choose my words carefully next time.

But, given the fact that I made statement that I don't usually make doesn't make me racist.. I know you can say how do we know, but If I was a racist, and a NAZi, would I have any reason of hanging around here?

Bealfan aka AK-94u