flags

[Rockfan]

Now I know that in cuba the flag wansn't changed after the revolution but I guess it was after others. I know in new Zealand we would change it or atleased get rid of the uonin jack. What about other countrys.

[RedAnarchist]

New Zealand should adopt that black and white one with the leaf.

I think that a national flag would be fine, but after the society has acheived Communism there will be no need for such a symbol, surely?

[antieverything]

I'm thinking something along the lines of:

[h&s]

NO!
New flags, however attractive they may be, just give too much justification of existence to the state. The socialist state should only be temporary thing - giving it state symbols just give it justification to prolong it's existence. Flags that we have now should not be used either as they give too much patriotic/nationalistic justification to the state.

[Rockfan]

XPhile2868 your thinking of the silver fern.

[Dyst]

Flags represents the society, not neccesseraly the state, no?

[Rockfan]

yea and you need them for olimpics and stuff.

[RABBIT - THE - CUBAN - MILITANT]

it would be cool if after a communist revolution in different country’s each country had the exact same flag ..i think that would inter destroy the idea of the state..

[Xanthor]

I agree with rabbit..

I believe that for all socialist states there should be one and only one flag to hang over the capital. like che said "A defeat is a defeat for all socialist states as well as a victory". so why should they all have a seperate flag?

[Hiero]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2005, 04:39 PM
so why should they all have a seperate flag?
To reperesent the different countires culture.

Falgs represent people, in Australia the national flag would be the Eureka flag, as it reperesents the workers ever since the Eureka Stockade. Then there would be the flag of the revolutionary party. Also for each state they have a flag with an animal or plant that is native to that state.

If you think that a flag with a plant on it is the cause for stoping the withering away of the state then you have problems.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Originally posted by "Future classless society"
'Dad, what's a flag?'
'Flags are what the former nation-states had. They represented the ruling class's ideals for that particular nation, and were used extensively in their propoganda in order to stir up "patriotism" and anyone who burnt or defaced the flag of their nation-state was automatically an evil freedom hater'
'Is that like an emblem?'
'Yes it is'
'Then why do some people make them?'
'Because they want something to try to encompass what they are in a symbol. But unlike flags, it's highly individualistic and you don't see it slapped everywhere from tubes of toothpaste to t-shirts'


We don't need flags, but there's nothing stopping people from making banners/totems/whatever from representing themselves or their collective.

[Hiero]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2005, 05:12 AM

We don't need flags, but there's nothing stopping people from making banners/totems/whatever from representing themselves or their collective.
So anything that is not a flag but like a flag is ok?

[Rockfan]

I just had an idea, after a revolution we bring all the existing flags of the old state and burn them in a mass buring thing hahahahah

[Xanthor]

Maybe there should be two flags for a country. For example in America there is the national flag and then there is the State flag.

[Ligeia]

Why cant we take the normal flags and at a symbol on it like they did in DDR(eastern-Germany)??The problem would be solved,wouldnt it?
And then we should also have flags that represent the united lands of every single continent.What do you think?

[STI]

Or how about that nifty flag thing that's all black.

[Jesus Christ!]

I think (combining two previous ideas) it would be a good idea to have two flags. One that represents the place is a communist nation and another one unique to the nation.

[Rockfan]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2005, 08:36 AM
Why cant we take the normal flags and at a symbol on it like they did in DDR(eastern-Germany)??The problem would be solved,wouldnt it?

Yes but some countrys would have to have symbols taken off eg, alot of commonwealth countrys have the uonion jack on them, once they become a rebublic it gets taken off.

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

What's all this nonsense about "this place" and "that place"? I live in 'Canada' but I certainly don't identify with any greater Canadian identity.

A flag, by its nature, is a grand generalization, and we would be better without them.

[Hate Is Art]

I have no problem with flags really, it's more a symbol of culture I think then a nation state. With some exeptions obviously - the British Empire being the main one.

[apathy maybe]

Flags represent an idea. The flags of nations represent the idea of a nation that nation being the best nation. As such why do we need a flag? Or an anthem? Or any of the trappings that promote our country as right, and everyone else as wrong.

Our idea has a flag already (be it the black anarchist flag, or the red flag with a hammer and sickle) as such why do we need a new one? Why (after the "revolution") does a country need to say, "I am distinct"? What does geography have to do with anything? Or culture? Why do you need a flag to represent a culture, surely it can represent it self quite well on its own?

As to the Olympics, fuck'em. We don't want any of that crap, and if we do, the people won't need flags to represent them, they can represent themselves.

[American_Trotskyist]

The hammer and sickle were good because that was a unification of the country and the city, worker and peasant. In a true communist state it think just a plain red flag will do, just the universal symbol of the communism/socialism.

[Hate Is Art]

The flags of nations represent the idea of a nation that nation being the best nation.

I don't understand how you came to that conclusion.

[Pawn Power]

I don't think "will we change our flag after the revolution?" and "what will we change it to?" are important or relevant questions at this time. We have a long way to go and critical things to achieve.

[blackwaffle]

I dont like symbols and i dont see a need for them. But anarchy and communism both have their symbols, which is really kind of strange, i think. I dont think they are nessarcy, but people need something to cling to.

[apathy maybe]

Originally posted by Digital [email protected] 13 2005, 08:00 AM
The flags of nations represent the idea of a nation that nation being the best nation.

I don't understand how you came to that conclusion.
Flags represent an idea yes?
A flag of a nation represents that nation yes?
All nation-states think that they are the best yes?
Therefor their flag represents the idea that their nation is the best.

[GlassDraggon]

There are a lot of arguments on culture. Culture is becoming homogenized thanks to globalization and the internet. Another thing to remember about "culture" is that racism is a result of "culture" and dogmatic ideals that have been accepted by a society for an extended period of time (generations). So do we REALLY want to hold on to such dogmatic ideas or should be move on?

I'm personally opposed to flags because, as others said, it justifies the existance of the state. If there was a consensus that we in fact did need a flag I would promote a simple red flag to be flown above the capitals of every socialist nation. Something that represents unification.

(Edit: And hey, then the U.S. would be 1/3rd there!)

[RedAnarchist]

I agree with GD - a flag of proletarian revolution flying over multiple cities worldwide would be a great show of unity, as well as a source of inspiration for those in countries still under the bourgoisie jackboot.

[Elmo]

Who ever said that all socialist states should have a common flag is right, it shows unity and support between the forces.