Anarchism and Communism

[Ligeia]

Well,Im new and I have some questions:
Where is the great difference between Communism and Anarchism or the little difference??
And what about crimes in such systems?Wont there be any because there is no need to?And what happens then with exceptions?
And is there any transition needed or not?(I think there is since we cant change from one day to another)
OK,thank you for readin and/or replying.

[h&s]

Anarchism is a form of communism. Marxist belive that to achieve communism a socialist state has to be established first in the transistion from capitalism to communism, but anarchist reject this.

[Anarchist Freedom]

anarchism can sometimes essentially be called a communist goverment minus the state.

[Roses in the Hospital]

And what about crimes in such systems?Wont there be any because there is no need to?And what happens then with exceptions?


In theory a lot of crimes should simply cease to occur as the root causes, poverty etc. have been dealt with. Obviously there's always going to be exceptions, but I'm sure any future system would deal with them based on re-education and re-intergration rather than just out of revenge based punishment which seems to be the case to often currently...


And is there any transition needed or not?
Very few would claim there should be no transition at all. Diagreement comes when we question how long it should last and what form it should take. There's a debate going on about this in the Theory forum at the minute if your interested...

[Abstrakt]

Thank you for the knowledge

[Ligeia]

Aha,thank you for that information,very kind of you.
And I have another question,are there many forms of communism(in theory)then?
So,Anarchism is just communism without transition?Ok,I thought so but I was not sure about that.

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by Anarchist [email protected] 6 2005, 03:21 PM
anarchism can sometimes essentially be called a communist goverment minus the state.
theres no state in communism anyway. <_<

[Citzen Smith]

Essentially all communists and anarchists agree on what the final product of a revolution would be, the perfect communist state with no private property etc. What the anarchists and the various forms of communism disagree on is how it should be reached, through what type of revolution, whether there should be a revolution at all etc. Anarchists beleive in the abolshiment of the state almost immediately, if not over night then over a short period of time. Various communists groups, the Marxist-Leninsts (sorry dont know if thats the proper name from them, they follow the teachings of Marx and Lenin), Maoists etc, agree there must be a considered perioid of change over between capatalism and communism, refered to as socialism. The maoists believe in a perpetual revolution by the people, the marxists in the ideas of marx&#39;s socialist goverment slowly destroying the capatlist system as the state etc.

The problem with all of these various groups of course is that they often mix anything into their ideology that they want. Nationalism etc often becomes confused with communism. An example of this would be Pal Pots goverment in Cambodia, now thankful destroyed, which twisted the Marxist-Leninist-Maoist doctrine so as to put forward an ultra nationalist system based on the ancient Khmer monarchy that had existed in Cambodia thousands of years ago. This was not essentially communism at all, but a system which instituted slavery on a massive scale.

[apathy maybe]

I would say that rather then anarchism being a sub-set of communism that communism is a sub-set of anarchism.

The difference being between C and C++, C++ is almost a super-set of C, anarchism is almost a super-set of communism. That is not to say that one came before the other.

Communism is basically collective anarchism (with minor differences), there are other types of anarchism, but all are based on the core principle of anti-hierarchy.

While there are anarchists who argue that there doesn&#39;t need to be a transitional state, as there are communists who argue the same, I am of the view that the state (and government) is going to get bigger before it gets smaller. Not that I think this is a good idea, just that it is inevitable.

For more info on anarchism see http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=6421 (which as is noted is focused more on social or collective anarchism). For even more info go http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/1931/