Rumsfield

[ComradeChris]

I was in the US over the holidays and on the news one night and Rumsfeld let a little slip of the tongue. Maybe this belongs in news? I don't know. Here's a link to him saying it:
http://homepage.mac.com/duffyb/nobush/iMovieTheater278.html
Here's another with a little background about the whole incident:
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42112

[the_godless_communist]

It's ok he has "moral values" Even if he did shoot a plane down we can trust him.

[trex]

Rumsfeld si not a very good speaker.

Not only this, but he also mixed up OBl and Saddam in a press conference, and he poorly answered the 'hillbilly armor' question, despite the 40-mil inaugaration party.

[seraphim]

Rumsfeld is a mindless fuckwit much like the rest of the U.S administration (nothing personal against americans) Only automatons need apply.

[trex]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2005, 01:46 PM
Rumsfeld is a mindless fuckwit much like the rest of the U.S administration (nothing personal against americans) Only automatons need apply.
:) That just made my day.

fuckwit..that's a new one.

[the_godless_communist]

Yes, fuckwit. That does personify him. Rummy is always a good name though...

[bolshevik butcher]

Rumsfelds even worse than Bu$h, it's an amazing achievement.

[ComradeChris]

Yes, yes. I know the whole Bush administration is morons. But do you think he let it slip what really happened?

[trex]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2005, 11:22 PM
Yes, yes. I know the whole Bush administration is morons. But do you think he let it slip what really happened?
no, did he really let slip that Saddam was still on the loose and they had captured OBL? It was a slip of tounge. There was no secret marraige between Condi and Dubya, either.

And I disbelieve that the entire administation is moronic. Who knows how much they are covering up/spinning? We give them less credit then they...hmm, 'deserve' isn't the right word.

[I've Defected]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2005, 01:35 PM
Rumsfeld si not a very good speaker.

Not only this, but he also mixed up OBl and Saddam in a press conference
I think Bush has too. along with powell and ashcroft.

thats what i get for watching the daily show too much

[bolshevik butcher]

What's terrible is that if some one else said something like this the media would have them for breakfast, yet because they fund him bu$h gets away with it.

[ComradeChris]

Originally posted by Clenched [email protected] 7 2005, 09:26 AM
What's terrible is that if some one else said something like this the media would have them for breakfast, yet because they fund him bu$h gets away with it.
A good book is "Lies, and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them," by Al Franken. It deals a lot with the Bush vs. Democrat media coverage over positive and negative issues.

[NovelGentry]

I hate Rumsfeld as much as all of you, but read it in context for a minute. He's talking about "terrorists" -- it's clear that what he means by "shot down" is very simply that the plane went down. Not literally that it was "shot down." He's talking about a "certain type of people." Even if you felt he was saying they shot the plane down, they're not admitting to being these types of people. Bad choice of words, yes, secret gateway to what really happened on 9/11, no.

[ComradeChris]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2005, 01:05 AM
I hate Rumsfeld as much as all of you, but read it in context for a minute. He's talking about "terrorists" -- it's clear that what he means by "shot down" is very simply that the plane went down. Not literally that it was "shot down." He's talking about a "certain type of people." Even if you felt he was saying they shot the plane down, they're not admitting to being these types of people. Bad choice of words, yes, secret gateway to what really happened on 9/11, no.
Are you sure? Because if it was shot down by the fighter plane that was believed to be following it (in the second article) it would mean their own country shot down their own plane. Somebody even said it could have been shot down from the ground, which would imply terrorist that not only flew in to the US but came in by vehicles. However, I'm not so inclined to believe that one.

[trex]

I have a feeling that, with the plane crashing five minutes after "let's roll", the plane was not shot down, but was crashed by the hijackers.

[NovelGentry]

Are you sure? Because if it was shot down by the fighter plane that was believed to be following it (in the second article) it would mean their own country shot down their own plane. Somebody even said it could have been shot down from the ground, which would imply terrorist that not only flew in to the US but came in by vehicles. However, I'm not so inclined to believe that one.

No, I'm not sure what happened about the plane. I am sure of what he was trying to say. Read it in context once again, by saying "those people who shot down the plane" he would be equating their own military with terrorists. This would be fundamentally stupid, even for a Republican. He's talking about the "evil doers."

As an added point they didn't "fly into the US." If I'm not mistaken the planes took off from the US, so they were already here. And what are you implying that if it was shot down from the ground it was shot down by the terrorists? So what does this really prove about the US Military shooting it down? Nothing.

Like I said, it was a bad use of a word. He should have more appropriately said "the people who brought the plane down." Some people who saw this live claim it's actually what he said, and the growing consensus from the investigation (not that we should really trust that) is not that the passengers fought off the terrorists and then it crashed, but when the passengers began fighting the terrorists crashed the plane on purpose.

[ComradeChris]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2005, 03:27 PM

Are you sure? Because if it was shot down by the fighter plane that was believed to be following it (in the second article) it would mean their own country shot down their own plane. Somebody even said it could have been shot down from the ground, which would imply terrorist that not only flew in to the US but came in by vehicles. However, I'm not so inclined to believe that one.

No, I'm not sure what happened about the plane. I am sure of what he was trying to say. Read it in context once again, by saying "those people who shot down the plane" he would be equating their own military with terrorists. This would be fundamentally stupid, even for a Republican. He's talking about the "evil doers."

As an added point they didn't "fly into the US." If I'm not mistaken the planes took off from the US, so they were already here. And what are you implying that if it was shot down from the ground it was shot down by the terrorists? So what does this really prove about the US Military shooting it down? Nothing.

Like I said, it was a bad use of a word. He should have more appropriately said "the people who brought the plane down." Some people who saw this live claim it's actually what he said, and the growing consensus from the investigation (not that we should really trust that) is not that the passengers fought off the terrorists and then it crashed, but when the passengers began fighting the terrorists crashed the plane on purpose.
But what if they were shot down from the ground though. I mean somepeople actually think it was a truck full of explosives that was driven into the Pentagon.

I'm not saying anything about the US military if the plane was shot down from the ground. I just heard that if the plain was shot down, that means there could have been TERRORISTS on the ground potentially shooting it down. That's just another variation. Sorry if that confused you; since I put each thought beside each other without a clear indication of change of thought.

Yes, that last variation is the story we were told. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but there are some coincidences and things about September 11th that don't add up. And this quote is one of them.

[NovelGentry]

But what if they were shot down from the ground though.

By who? If it was shot down by terrorists, what is really changed? If it was shot down by the US Government and that's what his "slip of the tongue" was, why would he be referring to people in the US government in the same line as terrorists? Read what he's saying around it. He's talking about the so called terrorists, what does it matter if they shot it down or crashed it?


I mean somepeople actually think it was a truck full of explosives that was driven into the Pentagon.

Apparently they've never seen the video or any of the other evidence. I'm not saying it was definitely a 757 or whatever the type of plane was that they claimed it was, in fact, I'm a strong believer it was NOT Most of the evidence points to a smaller plane carrying an explosive payload or missile designed to look like a plane both physically and by radar.


I just heard that if the plain was shot down, that means there could have been TERRORISTS on the ground potentially shooting it down.

And once again, what does this really change? In both instances the people are afraid of terrorists and know that terrorists are the reason no one on that plane is alive anymore.


I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but there are some coincidences and things about September 11th that don't add up. And this quote is one of them.

Nor am I, and I agree, there are many things that don't add up. The four israelis found with explosives in a van. We have a physicisst/engineer now saying he'll give $100,000 to anyone who can PROVE that the towers would have collapsed from the damage caused by the planes. He believes very firmly that there HAD to be explosives in there. I have no doubt the government isn't telling the whole truth, and I have little doubt that they knew of it or were partially involved with it in some way or another. What I do have very REAL doubts about, is that Rumsfeld statement has anything to do with the truth.

[ComradeChris]

Why did he feel the need to clarify himself later? I just don't get how people can make such non-Freudian slips of the tongue :lol: . If it isn't a slip that has something to do with sex...well I don't know where I'm going with this :( . I've been haing such a hard time formulating my thoughts recently. Oh well...c'est le vie.

[themanwhodoesnotexist]

PEACE
yeah like when bush said he saw the first plane hit the tower.....
they(rogue elements in the USA government and eurozionists) planned 9/11 very poorly.....they problably would have fooled alot more people if they planned it better..........

[NovelGentry]

Why did he feel the need to clarify himself later?

Because of people like you.