a question for marxist haters

[Xanthor]

Why? Why do some comrades hate marxists so much?

[redstar2000]

Well there are reasons.

Many people who call themselves "Marxists" are rather dogmatic; if Marx said it then it must be "true", period. Whenever a controversy arises, they find a vaguely relevant quote from Marx and, as far as they are concerned, that "settles" the matter.

This is tiresome, to say the least.

However, most people who say they "hate Marxists" are actually reacting to the Leninist paradigm, both in theory and in practice.

They look at the way life was in the USSR or China and say "I sure wouldn't have wanted to live in those countries!"

They read some of Lenin's stuff or Mao's stuff and find it less than appealing...particularly all that crap about "leadership".

And since both Lenin and Mao claimed to be "Marxists", it all sort of blurs together in their minds.

"Marxist"-Leninists or "Marxist"-Leninist-Maoists give them the strong impression of wannabe despots...and Marx himself "pays the price". His reputation is diminished accordingly.

They don't know it, but it's not actually Marx that they "hate"...they hate the 20th century Leninist variants of "Marxism".

Which, at least sometimes, is a shame. There's a lot to learn from Marx but it's buried under loads of Leninist crap.

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[cormacobear]

Marx Philosophizes that the revolution is enevitable. This raises two issues with opponents, first that many find it repugnant to beleive that the outcome of all our lives is enevitable. Second revolution is generally violent, and chaotic; they are those who (usually unconciously) would rather live on their knees than possibly die on their feet. I suppose most people fear change even many on the left they want change yet they fear it so they end up slowing down the ambitious.

[Dyst]

Marx philosophizes that the revolution is inevitable. This raises two issues with opponents, first that many find it repugnant to belive that the outcome of all our lives is inevitable.

They are idiots. The ones who do not realize that they are part of a universal body, and within that body changes occur. The changes can be calculated, and so predicted, because universe follows the rules of mathematical structure.

[bolshevik butcher]

I regard myself as a Marxist, but that doesn't mean that what ever Marx said was true, or isn't dated. I think that the revoloution will probably come eventually, as the amount of corporations lessens, and the competition element of capitalism is eliminated, and it's whole basis destroyed, but I wouldn't say that it was inevitable.