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Anonymous
1st July 2002, 18:31
UNITED NATIONS, June 30 — The United States on Sunday vetoed a resolution to extend U.N. peacekeeping operations in Bosnia, in a battle with other U.N. Security Council members over a new International Criminal Court. The U.S. took the action, which it had threatened to do earlier, when it failed to win agreement to exempt American peacekeepers from prosecution in the court.

DESPITE THE VETO, U.N. Security Council members were expected to discuss a separate resolution that would briefly extend the Bosnian mandate. This would give more time to try to resolve the dispute that pits the United States against almost all 14 other members of the powerful council.
If no agreement is reached, the 1,500-strong U.N. police training mission in Bosnia would end at midnight Sunday.
The United States is demanding that American peacekeepers be exempt from arrest and prosecution by the court, which comes into existence on Monday. The United States has rejected all compromises that don’t grant blanket immunity.
The United States says immunity is needed to prevent American troops and citizens from frivolous and political motivated prosecutions. Opponents say there are enough safeguards to prevent such abuse.
The 14 other council members — including close U.S. allies Britain and France — support the new court and argue that a U.S. exemption would undermine the tribunal and international law.
The new court is empowered to prosecute heinous wrongdoing such as gross human rights abuses, genocide and war crimes.
No crimes committed prior to Monday can be pursued under the terms of the treaty that created the court, which will be based in The Hague, Netherlands, and will not actually have a prosecutor or judges until early next year. The United States has renounced the court as a threat to its sovereignty.
The U.N. Bosnia mission was launched in 1995 to train a professional multiethnic police force after a three-year war that gave rise to the term “ethnic cleansing.” The United States has 46 police officers in the mission.

NATO-LED FORCE AT RISK?
Complicating the situation, Hans Corell, the top U.N. legal adviser suggested for the first time on Friday that a U.S. move to end the U.N. mission could also close down the Balkan state’s far more strategically important NATO-led multinational peacekeeping force.
U.S. diplomats said that view needed further study. The United States has 2,500 troops in the NATO-led force.
Envoys said they could not recall the last time a Security Council fight pitted Washington against its longtime allies Britain and France. All three have permanent council seats, along with Russia and China.
U.S. officials said they hoped council members’ governments would realize the seriousness of the U.S. concerns and give in.
But most council members are either among the 73 nations that have already ratified the new court or soon plan to. They say that binds them to do nothing to undermine the tribunal.
“We are being asked to choose between peacekeeping and the court, and I don’t think people are willing at this point to step back from the court,” said one council diplomat, speaking on condition of anonymity.
U.S. President George Bush renounced the treaty after the United States signed it while his predecessor Bill Clinton was in the White House.
Cheered on by the Pentagon and U.S. conservatives, Bush argues the tribunal could lead to politically motivated prosecutions of its troops or officials working outside U.S. borders.
The U.S. Congress is even weighing legislation authorizing U.S. forces to invade The Hague, where the court will be based, in the event prosecutors grab a U.S. national.

peaccenicked
1st July 2002, 20:07
There are some relevant srories here.
http://warpeace.org/updates.html



(Edited by peaccenicked at 8:10 pm on July 1, 2002)


(Edited by peaccenicked at 8:11 pm on July 1, 2002)

peaccenicked
1st July 2002, 20:16
Particulary interesting develpoment.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml...equestid=121103 (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/06/30/wus30.xml&sSheet=/portal/2002/06/30/ixport.html&secureRefresh=true&_requestid=121103)

jimr
1st July 2002, 21:59
This reminds me of the US decision to stay out of the League of Nations and undermine its ability to deter aggressors liek Mussolini in Abysinia and the japanese invasion of Manchuria pre WW2.

America has to learn that they do not run the world.

hobo
1st July 2002, 22:16
It is also mighty similar to the US rejection of the World Courts order for them to pay reperations and cease terrorist activities in Nicuragua. The US considers itself above the judgement of the rest of the world. But in doing so they have left it wide open for the EU and other nations to exclude them and form and powerful allience.

jimr
1st July 2002, 22:58
The rest of teh world is not unified enough to take a collective stance against the US. The US would be able to buy a lot of support and undermine any alliance that excludes them. The American Isolationism from the league of nations proved that without American Support any sort of international organisation will not succeed.

Nickademus
1st July 2002, 23:02
Quote: from jimr on 10:58 pm on July 1, 2002
The rest of teh world is not unified enough to take a collective stance against the US. The US would be able to buy a lot of support and undermine any alliance that excludes them. The American Isolationism from the league of nations proved that without American Support any sort of international organisation will not succeed.

thats a large reason why countries like canada are pusshing for the icc regardless of america's lack of support. to prove that international bodies can be successful withouth them

Felicia
2nd July 2002, 21:09
The US has the nerve to ask for immunity from the courts, like that's going to happen.

pastradamus
2nd July 2002, 21:47
If they dont get their way they threathen to remove their troops from all Un peacekeeping operations starting with bosnia.....
selfish fools!

Nickademus
2nd July 2002, 22:47
Quote: from felicia on 9:09 pm on July 2, 2002
The US has the nerve to ask for immunity from the courts, like that's going to happen.


actually they are currently exempt from the ICC they don't realize that. The ICC only has jurisdiction over states that have ratified. And then they can only prosecute if the state doesn't.

really, they have nothing to fear.

Felicia
2nd July 2002, 23:02
the court is only there to try those guilty of war crimes, crimes against humanity, and genocide. Unless they are guilty of these they shouldn't be getting so worked up.

Kilian
2nd July 2002, 23:43
Felicia, you are absolutely right. So the question is; are the leaders of this "peaceful" nation covering something.

ID2002
3rd July 2002, 02:04
arrogence...and stupidity! George w. Bush Jr, is a FUCKIN fool!
USA thinks that they are immune to error. Clearly they are not! They believe that bombing allies and afgani civilians are mear errors. The US may have the technology, but they lack the brains!

peaccenicked
3rd July 2002, 02:10
Same old story
http://www.guardian.co.uk/waronterror/stor...,573882,00.html (http://www.guardian.co.uk/waronterror/story/0,1361,573882,00.html)

Anonymous
3rd July 2002, 13:10
http://www.guardian.co.uk/afghanistan/stor...,748300,00.html (http://www.guardian.co.uk/afghanistan/story/0,1284,748300,00.html)

This is dissapointing

I heard the US' latest solution was to give long standing members of the UN the power to veto trials.

Are they just trying to bribe other countries to have their own way, if you let us be exempt well let youy be exempt?

(Edited by Funky Monk at 1:19 pm on July 3, 2002)

nvader
3rd July 2002, 13:11
Let me play devils advocate here and say: Wouldnt it be better if the US pulled all troops out of forgien nations. Undoubtley the world would not like this. Basically this a young child that says "you play by my rules, or i take my toys and i go home". The US can request what they want here, and they WILL get it, by using there childish but completely funtional tactics. The US is the last surviving super power, and they are going to act like it until they lose the status.However, if the rest of the world makes it known that they wont be having it, perhaps the US will sway, being as they like to go with popular opionion. I do feel that communist russia would have nothing to do with such courts if the US had signed it. But thats only speculation because we dont have a communist russia anymore :(. This would also vice versa, if the communists signed it, they would use it to pressure the US into it.

LeonardoDaVinci
3rd July 2002, 13:30
I guess the US government wants the Henry Kissingers of today to carry on with their 'diplomatic' activities in Venezuela, Iraq, Nicaragua and many more without the fear of being punished for their 'good deeds' in the future.

Apparently the Congress was so repelled by the court that it empowered the president to send in the military to rescue any future American soldiers held at ICC headquarters in the Hague. I personally don't see why they are so afraid of it, it's not like there's any chance in hell that an american will ever face prosecution, as the final say will always belong to the UN security coucil which america bends at its will.

(Edited by LeonardoDaVinci at 1:31 pm on July 3, 2002)