Reasons for Imprisonment

[r3B3lli0n]

I'm new to this site and for about a week now I've been able to aqcuire quite a bit of knowledge about Ernesto 'Che' Guevara from filtering/reading through all the threads. So I want to thank everyone here!

I'm extremely interested in learning more about 'Che' and his cause. I have a question though and I know it might be ridculous to some, but try and bare with me, because before you knew what you know now about him, you didn't...

Did 'Che' imprison and execute Cubans for rebelling aganist the revloution? Was his purpose to annihilate anyone who didn't wish to follow or did he set free and respect the views of others, so long they did not pose as a threat to the revolution and his work?

[Cal]

yes and he shot a few as well,

[Rockfan]

Che was probly given orders to imprison and so on, and as you do in any army , you carry out orders, it dosen't matter wheather your in the U$, UK, Cuban, NZ or the IRA. There all just armys that kill an murder and spread hatered. He may not hav even wanted to to the things he did but don't quote me there, im not sure about that.

[Tupac-Amaru]

Che gave orders to execute enemies, but he always shared, he wanted everyone to exersise revolutionary justice by giving everyone a chance to take a shot at a prisoner. So no-one executed more than one person in 1 day, everyone had the chance to kill the enemy.

"Che was probly given orders "

I realy dought it, he was a commandante, he gave the orders!

[Tupac-Amaru]

In the name of "revolutionary justice", Che supervised the execution of hundreds, perhaps thousands, of people at the end of the revolution. The exact toll of victims cannot be established, but figures vary from 7,876 calculated by anti-Castro exile reports to Che's own admission of at least 1,500 deaths. Che perceived no injustice in this systematic slaughter of "enemies of the people", particularly since most were former members of the oppressor army. The specific charge against a defendant meant little in Che's judgement; the accused stood before him guilty of the much larger being an enemy of the people.

He, however, saw the purpose in revolutionary political terms;
it was absolutely necessary to further the aims of social progress
through the removal of potential obstacles to the revolution.

[Colombia]

Originally posted by Tupac-[email protected] 29 2004, 11:22 AM
In the name of "revolutionary justice", Che supervised the execution of hundreds, perhaps thousands, of people at the end of the revolution. The exact toll of victims cannot be established, but figures vary from 7,876 calculated by anti-Castro exile reports to Che's own admission of at least 1,500 deaths. Che perceived no injustice in this systematic slaughter of "enemies of the people", particularly since most were former members of the oppressor army. The specific charge against a defendant meant little in Che's judgement; the accused stood before him guilty of the much larger being an enemy of the people.

He, however, saw the purpose in revolutionary political terms;
it was absolutely necessary to further the aims of social progress
through the removal of potential obstacles to the revolution.
He ordered the execution of less than a thousand. Get your facts straight.

[r3B3lli0n]

Thank you Tupac-Amaru for the info, and Colombia for the minor clarification.

[Rockfan]

"I realy dought it, he was a commandante, he gave the orders!"

Yes but surly he anwered to Fedil.

[Tupac-Amaru]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2004, 06:39 PM

Yes but surly he anwered to Fedil.
Fedil?? LOL :P

Yes he did answer to Fidel. But your not suggesting that Fidel gave ALL the orders! That would be silly, moreover, it would be kinda impossible.

[Saint-Just]

Che devised a significant proportion of the policy within the rebel forces and shaped their ideological line. Fidel Castro gave orders to Che. However, Che was also a very big influence on Castro. Catsro had power over Che but Che had a charismatic authority over Castro.

[Rockfan]

Yeah but i just thourt that being such a moajor thing fedel might have been incharge, oh well.

[fernando]

Originally posted by Colombia+Dec 29 2004, 03:58 PM--> (Colombia @ Dec 29 2004, 03:58 PM)
Tupac-[email protected] 29 2004, 11:22 AM
In the name of "revolutionary justice", Che supervised the execution of hundreds, perhaps thousands, of people at the end of the revolution. The exact toll of victims cannot be established, but figures vary from 7,876 calculated by anti-Castro exile reports to Che's own admission of at least 1,500 deaths. Che perceived no injustice in this systematic slaughter of "enemies of the people", particularly since most were former members of the oppressor army. The specific charge against a defendant meant little in Che's judgement; the accused stood before him guilty of the much larger being an enemy of the people.

He, however, saw the purpose in revolutionary political terms;
it was absolutely necessary to further the aims of social progress
through the removal of potential obstacles to the revolution.
He ordered the execution of less than a thousand. Get your facts straight. [/b]
It was around 500 if I remember correctly right?

[Colombia]

Last I heard it was somewhere around 712 but many sources disagree on the exact amount.

[bubbЯubbgoeswoo]

He did execute quite a few, some guilty some probably not, but on several occasions when he captured enemy soldiers he let them go without their weapons but spared them their lives.Yes, he did order executions but it was after the revolution and when the country was still unstable.

[The Invisible Man]

I do not see any sources for the information given by various posters on this thread. According to Jon Lee Anderson the people executed by Che was a very low figure. A lot of the enemy fled from the island.

Question: How many Americans were driven into exile in the Revolutionary period 1776-1783?

Answer: Out of a population of 4 million whites 100,000 left for Cananda, England, and the West Indies. They went abroad bearing tales of the godless, barbaric revolutionaries who confiscated their property, tar and feathered and murdered their kinsmen. Those
who remained and refused to take an oath of allegiance to the new state governments were denied virtually all civil liberties. After the American Civil War, thousands more fled to South America and other points, again disturbed by the social upheaval. How much more is such an exodus to be expected following the Cuban Revolution? -- a true social revolution, giving rise to changes much more profound than anything in the American experience. How many more would have left the United States if 90 miles away lay the world's wealthiest nation welcoming their residence and promising all manner of benefits and rewards? How much more has Cuba the right to punish its traitors who are collaborating with the empire 90 miles away?



http://www.killinghope.org/

[bubbЯubbgoeswoo]

I have read his book and it never gave a definite number and I realize most of the numbers come from right wingers but i wouldn't be surprised if it exceded 100 easily.

[Big Boss]

The executed were high ranking officials and informers who had caused the death of more than 20,000 civilians in the begining of the revolutionary movement. I think that the executions were done with justification and I am for it. The executed had also been rapists and muderers of women and children they were insects in the eyes of the Commandante. It is also true that he showed mercy sometimes by letting the nonrapists and nontorturers free without clothes and amo. The toll was not more than a hundred though. Also, I like your poll Invisible Man!