Disgrace to anarchism!! - Punks, Anarchism-capitalism etc...

[Anonymous]

Anarchism is the end product! its perfect! Like marx said: "Anarchism is the last stage of Comunism" but it is not that sweet! see there are some scumbag that dishonour anarchism, like punks, all they want is caos and disorder! thats not anarchism! anarchism is order withut power! not caos without power! When someone talks about anarchism people think of punks! thats a shame! cause punks use anarquism for caos! and what about anarcho-capitalism? what the fuck is that? go to www.anarchism.net! How can there be anarcho-capitalism when anarchism is the disbeliefing of the money? its just another disgrace to anarchism! I know almost nothing about it but i alredy hate it!!! how can there be anarcho-capitalism? it makes no sense!!! in that site it says that they are promoting anarchism and capitalism!! Making a strugle to inform people of theyr ability to change the world! Change the world with wat? anarcho-capitalism? Its pathetic! maby all they want is a free-goverment place where they can sell their products without paying any taxes! its stupid!!!! i mean anarchism is a bit utupical but anarcho-capitalism is stupid! see these two kinds of anarchisms are destroying the anarchism spirit! like anarcho-terrorists! its other stupidity! See it isnt only comunism that has some stupid ways! anarchism is full of them!


Love & ®evolution

[Xvall]

I know what you're talking about. "Punks" are the idiots that have the whole "Fuck The World!" ideology and haven't read a word about Bakunin. Anarcho-Capitalism is impossible, because Capitalism requires some for of government to declare what is legal 'capital' and 'currency'. Punks have no life, and think Anarchy is about graffiting poorly drawn anarchy signs and breaking things.

(By 'Punk' I am ferering specifically to fake anarcho-punks. I am aware that not all punks are stupid capitalists, like all skinheads are not Nazis.)

[Nickademus]

Quote: from Drake Dracoli on 12:15 am on June 28, 2002
I know what you're talking about. "Punks" are the idiots that have the whole "Fuck The World!" ideology and haven't read a word about Bakunin. Anarcho-Capitalism is impossible, because Capitalism requires some for of government to declare what is legal 'capital' and 'currency'. Punks have no life, and think Anarchy is about graffiting poorly drawn anarchy signs and breaking things.

(By 'Punk' I am ferering specifically to fake anarcho-punks. I am aware that not all punks are stupid capitalists, like all skinheads are not Nazis.)


well then perhaps you shouldn't refer to them as punkis beccuae realy punks (and the original punks movement) are not at all what you described.

[antieverything]

Like Drake said, Capitalism collapses w/out a state to support it.

btw, drake...i think I've seen you at either www.raisethefist.com or flag.blackened.net

[Xvall]

Yes anti.. I was at raisethefist..

[antieverything]

I gave up on that site. There hasn't been a single intelligent discussion for a while there.

I'm going to contact NAP and tell him to get his black ass over here!

[Xvall]

Do it! NAP Is cool!

[guerrillaradio]

Quote: from Drake Dracoli on 12:15 am on June 28, 2002
"Punks" are the idiots that have the whole "Fuck The World!" ideology and haven't read a word about Bakunin. Punks have no life, and think Anarchy is about graffiting poorly drawn anarchy signs and breaking things.

What a stupid thing to say. Get out a record by The Clash, Refused, The (International) Noise Conspiracy, The Exploited or Atari Teenage Riot and then try to say the same thing.

[antieverything]

He's talking about the guys we all go to high school with who walk around wearing circle-A tshirts and who only have an authority problem.

[Xvall]

Quote: from guerrillaradio on 3:38 pm on June 28, 2002

Quote: from Drake Dracoli on 12:15 am on June 28, 2002
"Punks" are the idiots that have the whole "Fuck The World!" ideology and haven't read a word about Bakunin. Punks have no life, and think Anarchy is about graffiting poorly drawn anarchy signs and breaking things.

What a stupid thing to say. Get out a record by The Clash, Refused, The (International) Noise Conspiracy, The Exploited or Atari Teenage Riot and then try to say the same thing.


Read my line at the bottom.. I'm not talking about REAL anarchy punks. I'm talking about the high schoolers and sixth graders who think anarchy is about destryoing everything, and like the sign.

[guerrillaradio]

Ok fair enough, I retract, but comments like "punks have no life" are out of order...

[Xvall]

Like I said.. I am only talking about THOSE specific punks that aren't even leftists.. They're just troublemakers..

[Nickademus]

but when you use the term punk you include all the real punks...pic a different word

i know its semantics,....but hey i did a philosophy undergrad and am in law school....my life is semantics

[antieverything]

like wannabepunks?

Not a big deal imho.

[Nickademus]

Quote: from antieverything on 10:59 pm on June 28, 2002
like wannabepunks?

Not a big deal imho.

well for those of who are and/or hang out with real punks...it is a big deal

[Engel866]

to author, you shouldn't take Marx's word fully, to understand you need to think on your own grounds, its not the perfect product, but its the system that can be imperfect. the final produce is through practise, which in theory may be grand but in practise is a nightmare. think of it, "new decade, new times, new fassion" and Anarchy was labelled as fassionable in the punk era's. those poeple then became ex punks and later became engineers and nurses. they're just looking for a name to bse their destruction, just like 'in the name of God"

[BenJammin]

Anarchism isn't supposed to be utopian, or "perfect" as you put it. Bakunin even says so :wink:

Just had to clean that up :)

[Anonymous]

No ofense BenJammin but i dont give a damn wat Bakunin says! I follow my doutrins about anarchism and for me thats what counts! And for me anarchism is perfect! For me anarchism is when human race evolves to the final stage and realises that money, leaders etc have nopoint! and cause of that its utopian! At least is my defination of Anarchism!

[Super Xero]

I'm a Punk and fully understand the concept and idealogy of Anarchism/Anarchy, saying all Punkz have a "Fuck The World" and "Chaos and Disorder" attitude is a generalisation. Yeah sure there are some of us with that, my friends even, but they are all prisioners too. Like Communists have been defined as Stalanists by the Media etc.., Anarchy is seen as Chaos and Disorder etc...

[pseudo christ]

The sad fact is that punks and anarchy are being misrepresented by many middle-right people. Punk now days is seen as blink 182 and what not to the mis informedwhich is a sad sad thing. As for anarchy, people are too scared to think of a world without thier precious democracy, they think that anything else would be chaos. Therefore they view anarchy as the embodiment of this chaos they fear. Read the pamphlet "anarchy" by malatesta which u can get through freedom press...

[Nickademus]

Quote: from pseudo christ on 10:15 am on July 8, 2002
The sad fact is that punks and anarchy are being misrepresented by many middle-right people. Punk now days is seen as blink 182 and what not to the mis informedwhich is a sad sad thing. As for anarchy, people are too scared to think of a world without thier precious democracy, they think that anything else would be chaos. Therefore they view anarchy as the embodiment of this chaos they fear. Read the pamphlet "anarchy" by malatesta which u can get through freedom press...

blink 182....yuck...pop punk

lol i remember being in la craphole (really known as le chateau) about 7 years back.....they had glittery pink anarchy stickers and buttons etc....it was very disturbing

[ID2002]

Anarchism is useless. There is no control factor over the people. Socialism, and Communism provide some sort of control at least.

Immagine what would happen if China became anarchist over night! HOLLY SHIT! 1 billion people raging out of control would be horrific!

[Anonymous]

Anarchism isnt desorder! And if you like comunism that much you should know that marx said "Anarchism is the ultimate stage of comunism!" True Anarchism can only be achieved when men evolve! The anarchy you are refering is called DISORDER!!!! not ANARCHY!!! Anarchy comes from ANARCRATOS! Its probably older that democracy! in ancient greece there were the anacratos! defendors of true freedom! they didnt wanted desorder! they wanted order without power!!!! And worst that 1 billion people raging out of control is nothing compared with one nation (USA) Raging with control to achieve world power!!!! Thats horrific!!!