Libertines

[Hate Is Art]

I think, vaguely speaking, that Pete (def) and Carl (probs) are lefties and if not left wing more working class pride type thing. Some of their songs have references to left wing ideals and working class pride etc etc

"we'll die in the class we were born, thats a class of our my love"

"if you'e come up the hard way, they remind you every day, you're nothing"

"hes proud we beat the nazi's but he don't like blacks or queers (how queer)"

I'll pick out some more later.

[h&s]

Thats news to me. I just like the music, though Dohertys mcuh-published £1,000 a day herorin addiction that he isn't really interested in stopping is hardly leftist is it?
Anyways, the Libertines are over. :(

[The Forum Idiot]

yea...babyshambles seems THE most blatant attaempt of earning smack money since John Frusciante.

[Bazza]

Originally posted by Digital [email protected] 26 2004, 08:20 PM
I think, vaguely speaking, that Pete (def) and Carl (probs) are lefties and if not left wing more working class pride type thing. Some of their songs have references to left wing ideals and working class pride etc etc

"we'll die in the class we were born, thats a class of our my love"

"if you'e come up the hard way, they remind you every day, you're nothing"

"hes proud we beat the nazi's but he don't like blacks or queers (how queer)"

I'll pick out some more later.
Working class pride? Carl Barat? Are you taking the piss? :huh:

[h&s]

Originally posted by The Forum [email protected] 27 2004, 09:35 AM
yea...babyshambles seems THE most blatant attaempt of earning smack money since John Frusciante.
:lol:
I read an interview with Doherty the other day, and he actually said that (at the moment - BabyShambles had been going since before he was kicked out of the Libertines) the only reason why BabyShambles exists is to get him, "enough money to keep me off crack."

[The Forum Idiot]

LOL, off crack and on smack I don't doubt. He's probably gonna end up like Kurt Cobain, but not as interesting, prolific, exploited, world-affecting, etc.

[Hate Is Art]

Working class pride? Carl Barat? Are you taking the piss?

No


Thats news to me. I just like the music, though Dohertys mcuh-published £1,000 a day herorin addiction that he isn't really interested in stopping is hardly leftist is it?

Pete isn't spending £1000 a day on heroin, shut up and don't talk absolute bollocks.

[bolshevik butcher]

This might be slightley irrelevant, but the libertines r just wanna be sex pistols.

[Hate Is Art]

No they aren't. How? Why?

[h&s]

Pete isn't spending £1000 a day on heroin, shut up and don't talk absolute bollocks.
Well I'm sorry for quoting the last 10 or so newspapers with articles on the Libertines that I read.

[Hate Is Art]

Where these Libertines articles from The Sun or other newspapers? No one can spend a grand a day on smack OK. It's not possible.

[Ian]

you couldnt use that much in a day and live

[h&s]

Originally posted by Digital [email protected] 4 2005, 06:08 PM
Where these Libertines articles from The Sun or other newspapers? No one can spend a grand a day on smack OK. It's not possible.
Hey I don't read the Sun! It was the Independant. It may be wrong, but the fact remains that he is spending a lot on smack.

[bolshevik butcher]

Originally posted by h&s+Jan 7 2005, 10:07 AM--> (h&s @ Jan 7 2005, 10:07 AM)
Digital [email protected] 4 2005, 06:08 PM
Where these Libertines articles from The Sun or other newspapers? No one can spend a grand a day on smack OK. It's not possible.
Hey I don't read the Sun! It was the Independant. It may be wrong, but the fact remains that he is spending a lot on smack. [/b]
Yeah I saw that as well.

[bolshevik butcher]

Originally posted by Clenched [email protected] 2 2005, 03:53 PM
This might be slightley irrelevant, but the libertines r just wanna be sex pistols.
Ok I'll take that back. However they are'nt nearly as good as the sex pistols.

[The Forum Idiot]

Originally posted by h&s+Jan 7 2005, 10:07 AM--> (h&s @ Jan 7 2005, 10:07 AM)
Digital [email protected] 4 2005, 06:08 PM
Where these Libertines articles from The Sun or other newspapers? No one can spend a grand a day on smack OK. It's not possible.
Hey I don't read the Sun! It was the Independant. It may be wrong, but the fact remains that he is spending a lot on smack. [/b]
I doubt its £1000....But it is a lot...Last time I heard it was like £300 a day...And DN, are you a junkie? How would you know the prices? Kurt Cobain spent most of his money on smack. Prices can be different on the quality and area. From £10 a shoot to £50 or something.

[MiniOswald]

Im backing DN all the way, if he spent 1000 on herion, he would be dead already, or at least unable to move. To be fair to the poor fella at least he tried a few times to get into rehab. As for them being lefties erm id probably say yes, more working class pride and showing what they are against ie arbeit macht frei. After all people like pete have worked in the misery the working class endure (pete was a grave filler at one point)

As for gary and john- poor unmentioned fellows, i think they're probably more about being good musicians that taking political stances of any kind.

[Hate Is Art]

1. Pete Doherty probably doesn't have £1000 to spend a day, the Libertines haven't sold that many records really.

2. To be spending anywhere close to £1000 a day he would have be doing a lot of heroin all the time, seeing as he is often touring doing other things etc and the few times people I know have met him, i've met him etc he hasn't been fucked.

Yes he does have a drug problem, but a number like £1000 is ridiculous.

He said himself he spends £300 a week on crack and skag. I dunno how reliable that is but it's more reliable then gossip columns on slow news days.

[The Forum Idiot]

You do know heroin addicts tend to under-state their problems? Kurt Cobain would say stuff like "I used to be an addict but I'm not any more" at the times where he couldn't rehearse without a shoot up. He also said stuff like "I'm not doing that much, its just a little". Needless to say he was found dead, head all over the wall, with a needle full of heroin in his veins.

[Hate Is Art]

Hmmmm, Good Point TFI, I hadn't really thought of it like that before. I still don't think it's possible to spend £1000 a day on heroin. One hit cost's maybe £20 or something. Work out how many hit's that is.

I'm pretty sure Pete is spending more money on Crack Cocaine then he is on Heroin and Opium anyway.

[The Forum Idiot]

Probably, if only because of the fact crack is more expensive than heroin. If he did 10 hits of each a day (I dunno how he could but I guess serious junkies probably can) it'd probably come to at least £500.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by Clenched Fist+Jan 7 2005, 02:41 PM--> (Clenched Fist @ Jan 7 2005, 02:41 PM)
Clenched [email protected] 2 2005, 03:53 PM
This might be slightley irrelevant, but the libertines r just wanna be sex pistols.
Ok I'll take that back. However they are'nt nearly as good as the sex pistols. [/b]
You can't even compair them. The sex pistols were a '77 classic punk band, the Libertines are a modern indie band. They are totally incomparable, its like saying that Iron Maiden are better than Bob Marley, totally different type of music.

[The Forum Idiot]

Not to mention the fact that what made the Sex Pistols so good was that it had never been heard before. We've heard stuff like the Libertines many times before, maybe not of the same quality, but still.

[Hate Is Art]

Not really, there's something about the Libertines which means although it's kinda the same it's still entirely different. It's like a new genre without being a new genre.

Hmmm, specific.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by Digital [email protected] 11 2005, 10:24 PM
Not really, there's something about the Libertines which means although it's kinda the same it's still entirely different. It's like a new genre without being a new genre.

Hmmm, specific.
The Sex pistols have a few good songs, but they were nothing special.

It's like a new genre without being a new genre.

They remind me of the smiths, and other 80's indie bands.

[Hate Is Art]

Yeah, that kinda thing, but it's still different. Even bands that you can lump in that same London scence don't really compare with them.

[Stupid Cappie Bears]

I would say a £100 tops even that much each day would seriously fuck you up and even though at the monemt he has gone abit crazy he doesn't look like he's doing lots of crack.
There is something strange about their music because yes it is similar to alot of punk but it feels very different i think it comes from their idealistic view of the Albion which adds a new charm to their songs.
The Libertines are fantastic it's just a shame he had to piss it all up the wall and get kicked out because they could have been one of the greats.

[Hate Is Art]

They are one of the greats, they hold there own mystical place in my heart. Up the Albion.