Fahrenheit 911

[vivalache22]

Moore doesnot care at all about the views he expresses in this film. It is just another way of filling his pockets with money. Thats all hollywood is about, If every one in Hollywood was pro-bush anti-kerry Moore would be making a movie about how much Kerry sucks, It's all about money in this country!

[Pawn Power]

we are all very proud of your great movie review

[Zingu]

Yeah, there was

the Fahrenhype 9/11.....

now there is Celius 411....the tempurature brains begin to die at.....again, all this mudslinging is incrediably petty.

[vivalache22]

I'm glad to find sum people agree, unlike those idiot leftists like Moore

[Knowledge 6 6 6]

I don't get it, we complain about misrepresentation of leftist ideas, Michael Moore doesn't do the best job in the world, but still makes the effort...and we still shun him?

I'm no Moore fan, but at least the guy's trying. If everything's a product in this capitalist realm, I'd rather have a Michael Moore movie in my DVD collection than a 'wild west' movie, lol.

[RedAnarchist]

I agree. He may not be a Communist left-winger, but he is still a left-winger. that means he has at least some socio-political goals in common with us and that means he is not too chained up by Capitalism, although he doesnt reject Capitalism outright.

[vivalache22]

I do not agree. I feel Moore doesn't care at all about politics. I think he picked a subject that was very controversial and made a documentry about it because he new weather you hated or liked the idea, the majority of people would go see it. I think he only wants money.

[BOZG]

I really doubt that Michael Moore is a left-winger.

[Pawn Power]

that means he has at least some socio-political goals in common with us

do not insult us like that, we wish to detroy wage-slavery, he wishes for reform, they are in no way in commmon

[vivalache22]

#1 The destruction of wage slavery comes from reform...

#2 Moore is in no way political, we does not want reform, ho does not want to stop wage-slavery, he does not want any other political goals. He wants money, he is focused in no way on politics, its all hollywood picking popular subjects and feeding off of them. He makes it seem that he cares about politics because he knows people will but it.

[robob8706]

Nevertheless his movie was good and brought isnight to a lot of people. That's all that matters.

[vivalache22]

Then you've been scammed

[celtopunk]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2004, 01:31 AM
Then you've been scammed
This whole thread is lame.

[vivalache22]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2004, 02:16 AM
This whole thread is lame.
Then stay off of it...

This is probably the only thread that is pertaining to politics under Literature & Films. If you want to go talk about Lord of the Rings rather than having an intelligent conversation be my guest

[robob8706]

Doesn't matter that we've been scanned. We all consider RATM great marxist promoters, even though they played the capitalist game. It doesn't really matter as long as the right message is put for to the masses. If Moore is greedy and only making movies for money, then whatever, but if he converts people to realize the truth, then you know I can only root for him. I guess in this instance the means justify the end.

[celtopunk]

Originally posted by vivalache22+Dec 22 2004, 03:18 AM--> (vivalache22 @ Dec 22 2004, 03:18 AM)
[email protected] 22 2004, 02:16 AM
This whole thread is lame.
Then stay off of it...

This is probably the only thread that is pertaining to politics under Literature & Films. If you want to go talk about Lord of the Rings rather than having an intelligent conversation be my guest [/b]
Except you haven't said one intelligent thing yet.

[YKTMX]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2004, 04:22 PM
I really doubt that Michael Moore is a left-winger.
:rolleyes:

Be serious, look at his record:

Opposes all American Imperialism
Opposes partiot Act
Supports labor rights
Supports free healthcare for Americans

The list goes on. He might not be a revolutionary Communist, but, in the American context, he is a left winger.

[h&s]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2004, 11:16 PM
Nevertheless his movie was good and brought isnight to a lot of people. That's all that matters.
Am I the only person here who thinks that Farenheit 911 is one of the worst-made documentaries ever? :unsure:

[YKTMX]

Why do you think that?

[BOZG]

In an American context, yes. Fortunately, I don't consider every sort of 'progressive voice' left-wingers by default.

[PinkoCommieScum]

Moore actually says he is a Socialist.

[STI]

Moore is full of crap.

[Pawn Power]

#1 The destruction of wage slavery comes from reform...

Wrong! it comes from revolution!

reformist!

[noland]

Why can't we all just get along?
Oh, and not to name any names, but I think someone lives under a bridge and eats goats.

[Cal]

What a bag of shite!

Moore portrayed Saddam as a cheerful fella who had done nothing wrong!

Then mentioned only the allies that sent no forces, he failed to mention that Spain, Italy, the UK, Japan etc. were also there. He seems to get off on the fact that Palau were there.

I thought he handled some subjects well but it was so far biased it was untrue.

I don't agree with how the powers decided to go to war, but Moore never mentioned Saddam's regime etc.

bag of shite!

[Zingu]

I would just settle calling him a "Liberal progessive", he supports the Democraps-er Democrats anyways.

[refuse_resist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2004, 02:09 AM
Moore actually says he is a Socialist.
When did he say this?

[chichi]

I mean, at least he did something. In America, you have no other choice that making a populistic movie if you want to reach out to people without brains. After all, he got a few Americans convinced, as was his intention. What would it help if everybody around the world thought he did a great job while Americans simply would not watch this movie because they would be unable to understand it?

[Knowledge 6 6 6]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2004, 10:51 PM
What a bag of shite!

Moore portrayed Saddam as a cheerful fella who had done nothing wrong!

Then mentioned only the allies that sent no forces, he failed to mention that Spain, Italy, the UK, Japan etc. were also there. He seems to get off on the fact that Palau were there.

I thought he handled some subjects well but it was so far biased it was untrue.

I don't agree with how the powers decided to go to war, but Moore never mentioned Saddam's regime etc.

bag of shite!
Well, compared to the US and its diplomacy, Saddam's regime really wasn't bad at all.

And that's saying a lot.

[Cal]

Saddam's regime really wasn't bad at all

Thats a classic that one, i'm glad i've seen it as I would've never believed it.

[Knowledge 6 6 6]

when the US troops come to your doorstep, kill your village, rape your women and teenage daughter, slaughter your son and his friends, and then kill you...I doubt u'd wanna defend the stars and stripes my friend...

[NovelGentry]

We all consider RATM great marxist promoters, even though they played the capitalist game.

We do?

[PinkoCommieScum]

Originally posted by refuse_resist
When did he say this?

This was in the late 90's that I read this. For all I know now he could be a Democrat.

[Tupac-Amaru]

Check this

[Cal]

Back to the film,

My problem with Moore is that a decnt topic tends to turn into an ego-trip.

To be credible as an informative documentary maker you have to give all sides of an argument rather than just your own view, in this instant he fails.

What's more despite breaking box office records the film failed in it's ultimate objective, and deprived some fat americans of some well needed ice cream.

[Knowledge 6 6 6]

The movie's objective was to spread awareness - It is debatable how much awareness was spread, however it still did what it set out to.

Moore, though a liberal, did some justice to the current US Administration. He provided another side to the story that we never hear in the media.

Although I agree it was biased, everything has bias. In fact, it's extremely hard to do anything justice when you're a director. The point is to take a side, and prove it.

For a critic, you have pretty lousy points Cal.

[Cal]

Sorry,

but as a critic it doesn't matter what i think, but the criticisms i made you jut agreed with.


Although I agree it was biased

To be honest I don't have a big ego in that my opinion should affect anyone but this film which was supposed to get shot of Bush, didn't work so it that aspect I think my point was pretty valid.


For a critic, you have pretty lousy points Cal

I'll try not to lose any sleep. it'slucky I don't criticse films for a living!

[Shane]

Moore isnt a Communist, Man, hes not even on a far left scale. but he his LEFT. im sure i would be able to find more common ground with him than 95% of Mainstream American Politicans..Im not american but i was watching fox news here from in the UK and there were a group of upper middle class men in suits saying america is too generous donating aid to the Asian Tsunami disaster, fuck im sure i could strike up convo with the moore if we were sharing the same train seat and find more common ground than i would with the average UK/US person.

my point is, i dont agree point to point with all his words...but there are far worse people out there in his industry.

[Shane]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2004, 05:59 AM
We all consider RATM great marxist promoters, even though they played the capitalist game.
Im a huge fan, but i used to think to myself, Rage Against The Machine....Raging Against The Machine..on MTV:unsure: . - its not possible to do so otherwise, no matter how much we fight it with our morales and ideals we all use the system one way or another, the simple fact being we have no choice.

[Hiero]

There are alot of things that pisses me off about Moore. For example.

Thursday, November 4th, 2004

My first thoughts about the election...

Cpl. Roberto Abad, Sgt. Michael D. Acklin II, Spc. Genaro Acosta, Pfc. Steven Acosta, Capt. James F. Adamouski, Pvt. Algernon Adams, Sgt. Brandon E. Adams, Spc. Clarence Adams III, 1st Lt. Michael R. Adams, Pfc. Michael S. Adams, Lt. Thomas Mullen Adams, Spc. Jamaal R. Addison, Lance Cpl. Patrick R. Adle, Capt. Tristan N. Aitken, Spc. Segun Frederick Akintade, Lance Cpl. Nickalous N. Aldrich, Spc. Ronald D. Allen Jr., Sgt. Glenn R. Allison, Lance Cpl. Michael J. Allred, Capt. Eric L. Allton, Cpl. Nicanor Alvarez, Cpl. Daniel R. Amaya, Pfc. John D. Amos II, Lance Cpl. Brian E. Anderson, Airman 1st Class Carl L. Anderson Jr., Petty Officer 2nd Class Michael C. Anderson, Spc. Michael Andrade, Pfc, Spc. Yoe M. Aneiros, Lance Cpl. Levi T. Angell, Army Spc. Edward J. Anguiano, Chief Warrant Officer Andrew Todd Arnold, Lance Cpl. Alexander S. Arredondo, Spc. Richard Arriaga, Staff Sgt. Jimmy J. Arroyave, Spc. Robert R. Arsiaga, Sgt. Evan Asa Ashcraft, Pfc. Shawn M. Atkins, Maj. Jay Aubin, Capt. Matthew J. August, Lance Cpl. Aaron C. Austin, Spc. Tyanna S. Avery-Fedder, Lance Cpl. Andrew Julian Aviles, Pfc. Eric A. Ayon, Sgt. 1st Class Henry A. Bacon, Sgt. Andrew Joseph Baddick, Staff Sgt. Daniel A. Bader, Staff Sgt. Nathan J. Bailey, Spc. Ronald W. Baker, Spc. Ryan T. Baker, Sgt. Sherwood R. Baker.

Pfc. Chad E. Bales, 1st Lt. Kenneth Michael Ballard, Maj. Spc. Solomon C. Bangayan, Lt. Col. Dominic R. Baragona, Pfc. Mark A. Barbret, Pfc. Collier E. Barcus, Sgt. Michael C. Barkey, Spc. Jonathan P. Barnes, Command Sgt. Maj. Edward C. Barnhill, Lance Cpl. Aric J. Barr, Sgt. Michael Paul Barrera, Maj. Carlos Barro Ollero, Sgt. Douglas E. Bascom, Spc. Todd M. Bates, Sgt. 1st Class Michael Battles Sr., Gunnery Sgt. Ronald E. Baum, Spc. Alan N. Bean Jr., Spc. Bradley S. Beard, Spc. Beau R. Beaulieu, Capt. Ryan Beaupre, Spc. James L. Beckstrand, Sgt. Gregory A. Belanger, Cpl. Christopher Belchik, Sgt. Aubrey D. Bell, Pfc. Wilfred D. Bellard, Staff Sgt. Joseph P. Bellavia, Sgt. 1st Class William M. Bennett, Spc. Robert T. Benson, 1st Lt. David R. Bernstein, Spc. Joel L. Bertoldie, Staff Sgt. Stephen A. Bertolino Sr., Staff Sgt. Marvin Best, Cpl. Mark A. Bibby, Sgt. Benjamin W. Biskie, Sgt. Michael E. Bitz, Sgt. Jarrod W. Black, Chief Warrant Officer Michael T. Blaise, Capt. Ernesto M. Blanco, Command Sgt. Maj. James D. Blankenbecler, Spc. Joseph M. Blickenstaff, Spc. Nicholas H. Blodgett, Sgt. Trevor A. Blumberg, Lance Cpl. Jeremy L. Bohlman, Gunnery Sgt. Jeffrey E. Bohr Jr., Lance Cpl. Todd J. Bolding, Sgt. Dennis J. Boles, Sgt. 1st Class Craig A. Boling, Petty Officer 3rd Class Doyle W. Bollinger Jr, Sgt. 1st Class Kelly Bolor, Staff Sgt. Stevon A. Booker........

(a long list of names continues of American soldiers that have been killed in Iraq)

May they rest in peace.

And may they forgive us someday.



-- Michael Moore

What is he trying to imply here, there probaly would of only been maybe 10 to 20 soldiers of this list who didnt support the war in Iraq. The majority of these people would probally be pised off to know that there names were used in a Michael Moore fan email list.

[bolshevik butcher]

Moore started by making a film called Rodger and me, it was about how the general motors plant in his town was closed on a year when they mde a record profit. He might not be a communist, but he's at least doing some good things, and I totally disagree with anyone that says he's only doing it for the money.

[Nick Yves]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2004, 11:48 PM
Moore doesnot care at all about the views he expresses in this film. It is just another way of filling his pockets with money. Thats all hollywood is about, If every one in Hollywood was pro-bush anti-kerry Moore would be making a movie about how much Kerry sucks, It's all about money in this country!
Then explain why he said he doesn't mind of people pirate his film, as long as they see it?

Oh, wait. Your entire point, debunked, right there.