Beautiful or is it nothing at all?

[Free Spirit]

What makes us consider things beautiful? Like a face, it’s just shapes and colours but what makes us like those chaps? Everything around us changes at some way the way we feel and the expression of things that we consider to be beautiful is a feeling. But still it’s not clear enough. I can understand it’s those differences in our ways of thinking (it’s our minds) but still there’s a lot to be said of the unknown of human mind. What do you thing? What makes us feel the expression of the belief of that something is beautiful; why do we feel that feeling?
Its only living things that can consider things to be beautiful so without life beauty wouldn’t exist? Things would be as they are because there is nothing or no one to have a feeling about a beauty because what makes beauty come out is a feeling? Or?

[Rasta Sapian]

You can feel the love, but beauty can only been seen not felt. The world is a very beautiful place indeed, just open your eyes and take a look around, I beleive that you can find beauty just about anywhere :D peace

[Free Spirit]

I agree with you. But when the eyes are as open as when every piece of each object take the eyes away into a dream world you become left in words and pictures that don't have the last answer. I believe that there's much deeper behind everything, so far that it's almost impossible to see (including beauty). The world feels like a half of a book with just counting things that we are very much aware of while beauty is just a chapter, maybe not even as far as that.
And I certainly agree that beauty can be found just about anywhere.

peace out :)

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Beauty is a subjective concept, it is highly cultural.
Do you think maggots are beautiful?

http://www.mendosa.com/maggot.jpg

Or cockroaches?

http://www.museums.org.za/bio/images/enb1/enb01445x.jpg

I want to become an entomologist, then all bugs will be beautiful.

[Free Spirit]

Actually when it comes to the cockroach, I like the colours. If the colour would be on something ells then it wouldn't be considered as disgusting by a lot of people as much as now. I'm no fan of maggots but why does it signify the word "disgusting"? Just how do we divide things into ugly and beautiful unless it makes us feel at some way?

[Pawn Power]

I belive today, at least for teens, beauty is created by pop culture, ads, media, ext.... What people concerder beautiful one day is different then the next. Of course this is all relitive and and varies depending on the individual and is not always to the same extrems.
With the elimination of; commercialism, trends, and advertisments, beatuty will really be in the "eye of the beholder" and not controled by advertizers.

[commiecrusader]

Beauty is generally dictated by the culture in which we live. As is ugliness. In our clean, clinical world, 'dirty' things like maggots and roaches encourage revoltion. However, those whe are turned into idols, like popstars and stuff, are considered beautiful.

[Zingu]

That cockroach doesn't look that bad....


I think in general symmetry has to do alot with beauty, with everything I mean,


Examples:
the universe is a "beautiful thing" since of the enormity of it and how strange it functions as one giant entity,

A girl I know is beautiful since I'm in love in her, plus, I seem more attracted to facial features than to other parts of anatomy.



See what I mean? Beauty can mean alot of different things.

[Wurkwurk]

Im not sure about maggots and cockaroaches, but she DEFINETLEY is beautiful.

[Hate Is Art]

not as beautiful as Richey Edwards. He has perfect cheekbones.

[lena]

beauty is just made by the community...!
but now a days you really need to be beauty...because that´s the first impression that counts
don´t tell me that you see a ugly fat person and that you think : " she/he is ugly but i really think she is nice...!"
that´s bullshit
the first impression counts!
and if you fell in a other way - congratulation -> you are lying to yourself or you are god.
a yeah god don´t exist - so sorry for you.

[lena]

dream on - beauty is all that counts!

[Xvall]

True Beauty

[Zingu]

I'm so sick, I burst out laughing when I saw that.

[Don't Change Your Name]

Oh shit, that pic's so awful that I had to save it in my hard drive.

Beauty is related with symmetry and possibly with how our minds process images. The same with music...excepting the symetry thing.
I constantly think about this but somehow I still dont have much to say.

[Free Spirit]

beauty is just made by the community
I agree with you at some point but that seems to only be so when it comes to people. One time it's nice to look like this and this while the beauty of the nature outside humanity stays the same. There's not a time when we considered a flower be more beautiful because of community unless it's got something to do with humanity, mode or whatever. Surroundings don't get less beautiful because one more person considers it to be ugly. things are as they already are. It's in the nature to exist at the way they do and we all like it or dislike it in different ways. But still it stays as beautiful as it was last year even though more people think how ugly it looked yesterday.

But then beauty changes in our eyes even though it's been staying at the same level of beauty. It's because we discover the other forms of beauty in subjects, nature, people and so on. Like I spend one more hour in the woods analysing the nature then I would discover more beauty (discover the other forms of beauty)
But this is just another thought!

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

"there is no truth there is only you and what you make the truth"
-connor obhurst

[RedAnarchist]

Beauty is a value that each of us cannot all agree on, for it is simply what our perceptions are of objects in the world.

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

dude I can agree with that philosophy

[CommieBastard]

Beauty is not entirely controlled by culture.
Beauty is controlled by sets of experiences that we gain by happenstance and how our concepts about those experiences interact with concepts we previously have.
Look at the maggot. The reason they are disgusting is because they will have normally only been encountered on food which has gone foul, or not been stored properly. They are therefore, disgusting. There is nothing actually anymore disgusting/unhygienic about them than most other animals, and they can provide a practical way of cleaning wounds of dead flesh, which allows live flesh to grow back quicker.

As for fat people being found disgusting, there are those who find fat people more attractive than thin people. If you find fat people disgusting it is because you listened to much when your health-freak parents, and the TV, were telling you what to believe. Or maybe you have other 'negative' experiences of fat people which you associate with their fatness.

Either way, all concepts are associations of divisionals of our perceptual world. We have nodes of the concepts, such as objects where we attach one or a few divisionals of different types, there are concepts, where we attach divisionals of the same type which all have something in common (e.g. 'redness'). Then there are patterns, where we attach a whole shedload of them together in a complex and possibly repeating formation.

When we do this act of attaching divisionals our mind gives us a funny sensation which we desire, crave even. It's probably a drug in our brains more powerful than crack. I call this sensation profundity, whether it is attaching concepts we like or dislike, we get this sensation when we come upon a realisation about a deep theory, or we read a mystery novel and we solve the mystery, or we look out onto a truly breathtaking landscape. We also get this sensation when we are on pills. If you are on them and sit still somewhere, you may end up staring into space, feeling contented at a sensation of profundity. As for LSD, this gives you profundity, and also sets your mind off doing crazy divisions of experience where we normally would not. You end up, if you concentrate on something, seeing more and more complex patterns, which are also flavoured by the mood you are in, because the mood concept gets swept along in the connection of all the other concepts.

Music is a pattern we recognise, which is why we find it pleasing to hear, beautiful. When we dance, we feel even better, because we are attaching a pattern of our bodily sensations to a seemingly co-ordinated pattern in the sounds we are hearing.

Interestingly, monkeys do not find 'harmonious' music any more attractive than 'disharmonious' sounds, but human babies do. This (IMO) is because their auditory pattern recognition isn't needed to be as complex as ours is, they don't have language.

Beauty is just another word for profundity, but it is the profundities we 'like'. I don't believe there is any such thing as ugliness, and it is simply a conditioned (or instinctual) response of aversion to things we might consider dangerous or related to ill-health.

Remember, centuries ago in times of short food supplies a plump woman was an attractive one.

Sorry if that's a bit incoherent...

[Wurkwurk]

Very good post commie rat. Touche!

Still, I BELIEVE (not for certain) that I would find slim women in general more beautiful then fat ones, even in the medieval days. But its whats inside that counts :D

[Dyst]

Beauty is related with symmetry and possibly with how our minds process images. The same with music...excepting the symetry thing.
You are correct, beauty is what our mind (most often) makes out of system, or symetry often of a geometrical fashion. However, you are absolutely wrong when you say symetry doesn't apply to music. Everyone who has ever played any instrument would know that system is all it is about. Think about it. Tones, rythm, structure, it's all about systems.

And we find nature and the world beautiful, because everything is made up of systems, the order of things. Sacred geometry.

[CommieBastard]

Very good post commie rat. Touche!

Still, I BELIEVE (not for certain) that I would find slim women in general more beautiful then fat ones, even in the medieval days. But its whats inside that counts :D

The problem with that statement is that part of the definition of you is that you exist in a certain part of time and space, and also have a certain bundle of experiences. That is basically what you are, so we can't really talk of 'us in the medieval days' because it wouldn't be us, by definition of what us is.

[Wurkwurk]

CommieBastard:
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Sorry, in english if possible :P