Entropy Death

[Zingu]

Assuming that we survive ecological collapse, decreasing fertility rates, nuclear warfare, the death of the sun, the death of the galaxy, the nemesis extinction factor, a new ice age and we make it to the invincible status of a Type III civilization, we're still probably doomed.

According to Einstein's theory of relativity the universe will continue to expand forever into a Cosmic Whiper, when everything will reach sub-zero tempuratures when all the suns will die out, things will drift further and further apart, there will be no light left at all, , eventually all reasources will be amounted into either radiation or carbon, then the last remanants of civilizations will have to huddle miserably around the last dwindling sources of energy; blackholes.

Or, everything will contract into a fiery collapse, a big crunch which friction will produce tempuratures billions up billions of degrees. So, the universe will either die in an icy, cold desolate, dark universe or in the fire of a close universe.

Either the tempuratures of 0 or absolute infinity, no matter the case, those civilizations will be doomed. We will eventually perish, nothing can save us (well maybe not, buts thats a whole other subject on dimensional physics-crazy stuff on transporting to a different universe)

So this is what you call Entropy Death summed into three points:

1. You cannot win (you can't get something for nothing, since all energy and matter are conserved)
2.You cannot break even (you cannot return to the same enegry state, because there is always a decrease in disorder)
3. You cannot get out of the "game" ( or can you?)


Comments? Thoughts?

I'll be trying to summarize on the theory that it might be possible to manipulate space-time to "escape" into a higher dimension, but will take alot of writing.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Yes, the death of the universe may present a bit of a problem for any civilisations still around to experience it. I think that if humans are still around then we would most certainly have found a way to create our own Big Bang to create a universe that is a lot more tailored to our needs than the old.

What the hell is the nemesis extinction factor? :huh:

[Zingu]

Its a scary term used to label a theory that our sun might have an "evil sister" so to speak.

Scientists have found compelling evidence that the Sun has a baby brother, a dark star whose eccentric orbit is responsible for periodically showering the Earth with comets and meteorites.
The dark star - named Nemesis by astronomers - is thought to be a "brown dwarf" that spins round the Sun in an orbit so large it is measured in light years, the distance light travels in a year, equivalent to about 6,000 billion miles.

The research suggests that, every 26 million years, the star's eccentric orbit brings it within one light year of the solar system. There it causes havoc in the Oort Cloud, a huge region surrounding the solar system that contains billions of bits of cosmic rubble left over from the formation of planets.

Of the millions of rocks it throws out of orbit at each visit, some hurtle Earthwards - and have several times nearly wiped out life on Earth.

Astronomers have long wondered if the Sun has a smaller partner. Recently, two independent groups of researchers have found evidence of one.

One group confirms the notion that it is most likely to be a brown dwarf, a star that never accumulated enough
mass to ignite and which has simply sat in space smouldering for billions of years.

This group studied 82 comets from the Oort Cloud and found common elements in the shape of their orbits that could only be explained if they had been influenced by the gravitational pull of an object several times the size of Jupiter and existing about 25,000 times farther from the Sun than the Earth.

Further research was published last week by Richard Muller, professor of physics at the University of California, Berkeley, following analyses of moon rock samples brought back to Earth by Apollo 14.
The absence of a protective atmosphere means the moon has been subjected to intense bombardment in its 4.5 billion- year existence.

Scared yet?

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I think it's better news than comets randomly appearing out of the Oort cloud and heading toward Earth (Although this does happen)

That way we can calculate Nemesis' orbit and keep an eye out - some sort of tightly focused and powerful radar focusing on wherever Nemesis is at the moment.

If we ever find Nemesis that is.

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2004, 12:25 AM
Assuming that we survive ecological collapse, decreasing fertility rates, nuclear warfare, the death of the sun, the death of the galaxy, the nemesis extinction factor, a new ice age and we make it to the invincible status of a Type III civilization, we're still probably doomed.
Well, maybe; I think it is impossible to reasonably predict at this point.


According to Einstein's theory of relativity the universe will continue to expand forever into a Cosmic Whiper, when everything will reach sub-zero tempuratures when all the suns will die out, things will drift further and further apart, there will be no light left at all, , eventually all reasources will be amounted into either radiation or carbon, then the last remanants of civilizations will have to huddle miserably around the last dwindling sources of energy; blackholes.

Possibly; it depends on how fast our technology develops and what level is possible to reach or what we can possibly create.

I am not convinced that you couldn't have a self-sustaining system based on a super-tech sort of dyson sphere-esc black-hole construction (and if you can manipulate time-space).


Or, everything will contract into a fiery collapse, a big crunch which friction will produce tempuratures billions up billions of degrees. So, the universe will either die in an icy, cold desolate, dark universe or in the fire of a close universe.

Well, I doubt that... the problem wouldn't likely be the collapse the kills us all if we can make it to that point; it would be the likely fluctuation or re-expansion (that would possibly blast us to basic elements or not).


Either the tempuratures of 0 or absolute infinity, no matter the case, those civilizations will be doomed. We will eventually perish, nothing can save us (well maybe not, buts thats a whole other subject on dimensional physics-crazy stuff on transporting to a different universe)

Who is to say now?


So this is what you call Entropy Death summed into three points:

1. You cannot win (you can't get something for nothing, since all energy and matter are conserved)
2.You cannot break even (you cannot return to the same enegry state, because there is always a decrease in disorder)
3. You cannot get out of the "game" ( or can you?)

The only way to survive would be too recycle the energy (if that is possible) or the "physics-crazy stuff," it might as well be mythical fantisy crap at this point. We cannot begin to test, let alone control any of those forces. My guess is that it is possible but I'm probably just being optimistic.


I'll be trying to summarize on the theory that it might be possible to manipulate space-time to "escape" into a higher dimension, but will take alot of writing.

Sounds good; I would like to read that. Why do you say "higher dimension" anyway? Does the "higher" designation have any meaning or is it an expression?

[Zingu]

Originally posted by 313C7 [email protected] 31 2004, 01:12 PM


Sounds good; I would like to read that. Why do you say "higher dimension" anyway? Does the "higher" designation have any meaning or is it an expression?
I've actually forgotten about that, my freind is borrowing the book I would like to use as the source at the moment, I will get to that when I get the book back.


Dimensional Physics is very abstract to think about, the reason it is "higher", in theory, a higher dimensional being could see everything in a lower dimensional "dimension".

Think of it as if people were living on a peice of paper, and you stood over it, you could see everything, they can't hide from you, no matter were they go, its since you have the dimension of depth that gives you such an advantage; similarily, a fourth dimensional being is one who could basically go through walls, escape any prison we have, and see everything.

A good book to read is "Flatland" which covers this subject, also "Hyperspace" covers all of this theoritical physics topic of escaping into hyperspace when the universe dies.

[Motorcycle_diAries]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2004, 07:10 AM
I think it's better news than comets randomly appearing out of the Oort cloud and heading toward Earth (Although this does happen)

That way we can calculate Nemesis' orbit and keep an eye out - some sort of tightly focused and powerful radar focusing on wherever Nemesis is at the moment.

If we ever find Nemesis that is.
Ohhhhhh! i just hope i turn to dead meat before all these things happen. Don't want to be there to see it. :unsure:

[Motorcycle_diAries]

:unsure:

[Xvall]

It'll be a while, but yeah, I'm fairly confident that at some point, everything in the universe will come to an end. I presume it will be quite amusing to watch.

[encephalon]

i'd second the suggestion to read flatland.

Dimensional Physics is FUN!


It'll be a while, but yeah, I'm fairly confident that at some point, everything in the universe will come to an end. I presume it will be quite amusing to watch.

I'll be watching from the restaurant at the end of the universe.

[Zingu]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 05:54 AM

I'll be watching from the restaurant at the end of the universe.
I also suggest a Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy :P

[Xvall]

I love that book.

[encephalon]

i can die a happy revolutionary knowing that people got that joke. :D

[Commie Rat]

QUOTE (NoXion @ Dec 18 2004, 07:10 AM)
I think it's better news than comets randomly appearing out of the Oort cloud and heading toward Earth (Although this does happen)

That way we can calculate Nemesis' orbit and keep an eye out - some sort of tightly focused and powerful radar focusing on wherever Nemesis is at the moment.

If we ever find Nemesis that is.


Ohhhhhh! i just hope i turn to dead meat before all these things happen. Don't want to be there to see it.

hei i thought that Nemisis was the big Zombie dude from Resident Evil ?! :blink:
nah jus kidding :P

[Zingu]

Dammit, this topic so old..and still alive...