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Cal
17th December 2004, 00:54
I can't remember the last agricultural worker I saw using a sickle, and the type of work the working classes are employed in now rarely requires a hammer,

How about a crossed telephone and stapler, this would seem more relevant.

Hammer and sickle screams USSR to me.

Get shot of it for my liking.

Wiesty
17th December 2004, 01:04
ummm....you know this is a communist board

Cal
17th December 2004, 01:06
Yes i do which is why I've raise the issue

Xvall
17th December 2004, 03:11
How about a crossed telephone and stapler, this would seem more relevant.

Who makes those telephones? Who produces those staplers? Who maintains the telephone wires? The working class still used the same tools that we used many years ago. Besides, it outright looks cooler than a stapler and a telephone.

RedAnarchist
17th December 2004, 07:47
Many natiuonal flags and symbols are from a past era of history - some symbols are ancient - but we dont get rid of them beacuse of irrelavance. The hammer and sickle, whilst synonymous in the capitalist psyche with Stalin, the USSR and the Cold War, is our symbol of our views and ideas. Some people may not like it, some people might wish never to see the hammer adn sickle symbol for the rest of their lives, but it is a symbol of Communism.

Wiesty
17th December 2004, 12:59
it represented both working classes. 1. The factory/industrial workers and 2. The Farmers/Agricultural workers.

the main symbol of farming is a sickel, hell people in russia and ukraine still use sickles today.
and the hammer for industrial working
its not like weve abandoned the hammer

see how it kind of fits in?

Non-Sectarian Bastard!
17th December 2004, 13:27
This is not a communist board.

Cal
17th December 2004, 15:14
Who makes those telephones? Who produces those staplers? Who maintains the telephone wires? The working class still used the same tools that we used many years ago. Besides, it outright looks cooler than a stapler and a telephone.

They're made by a process called injection moulding with very little human involvement and definately no hammers or sickles.

Manufacturing jobs are now on the decrease with the service industry rapidly taking over, that is my point, in that the working class now very rarely in my country work manually, so i think the hammer and sickle should not be used in GB.

To add to that the hammer and sickle was to represent the workers of the USSR, and I think I can say without being controversial that this particular 'socialist' experiment didn't achieve very great publicity for the cause.

Where we know the USSR wasn't comunist or socialist others seeing the hammer and sickle relate it straight to the USSR and that doesnt do anyone any good, then we wonder why there is little support.

My use of the telephone and stapler was not a genuine one it was merely to point out the change that the working classes at least in GB has gone through.


This is not a communist board.

Correct.