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Cal
17th December 2004, 00:24
I've just finished a paper in eight parts on modern Britain and how it can adapt and the problems it faces, If anyone wants a copy I'll post the lot but I've summarized some of the issues andwould be interested in thoughts.

Remember these are SUMMARIES, and it's late!!!!

The largest problem which any left wing movement faces is one of public co-operation especially from the currently empowered middle classes. The issue revolves around where the class distinctions now lie; the industrial worker of the nineteenth and twentieth centuries has now been replaced by the service sector worker of the twenty first century, one who has a material reason to maintain the status quo.

What constitutes the working classes now is completely different, the property ladder phenomenon of the last few years has seen people from working class backgrounds get onto the private property market in order to make themselves money from the boom that has and continues to occur. This combined with wanting to leave an inheritance to the future generations has made the actual ‘working class’ a propertied class with an interest in maintaining the status quo. This has very large implications for the application of Marxist theory as the class required to carry out the tasks involved have become another obstacle, the capitalists have bought them off with long-term mortgages and branded clothing which although false and eventually self-deprecating has given those potential revolutionary sectors of society a monetary interest in the continuation of the present system.

It is in this way that the current bourgeoisie have ensured their continuing status as the dominant class, as they have elected to, instead of shutting everyone else out of power instead to offer them the carrot of joining their group without actually having to let them join. It is this use of the carrot rather than the stick that has ensured that the middle classes have been able to dominate for as long as they have .The move in fact has been so successful that a natural successor is difficult to pin point in the so called western world as the industrial workers no longer exist in any real numbers as there industries were methodically closed down by the ultimate incumbent of the middle class ethos, Thatcher.

redstar2000
17th December 2004, 00:53
Originally posted by Cal
What constitutes the working classes now is completely different, the property ladder phenomenon of the last few years has seen people from working class backgrounds get onto the private property market in order to make themselves money from the boom that has and continues to occur. This combined with wanting to leave an inheritance to the future generations has made the actual ‘working class’ a propertied class with an interest in maintaining the status quo.

What is the evidence for this summary?

How do young workers get out of their "bed-sits" and onto the "property ladder" when the supply of high-paying jobs is declining?

And what happens when the "property boom" collapses? It always does, you know.

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Cal
17th December 2004, 01:04
I will post the whole section including evidence tomorrow,

but briefly

young workers move into council house, many mortgages now are fifty year based as opposed to the basic twenty five, therefore mortgages are relatively easy to come by.

Also the very poorest are not on the property ladder and will continue to exist at the bottom rung, my point was that the larger population are more and more being absorbed into the propertied classes which makes sympathies for the left severely reduced.

I agree with yor point on the property boom and it's eventual collapse, it has been the policy of the government of Britain to base the growing economy on the housing market, prices are still rising though not on the scale of 2003 early 2004. It is the policy of the government to use interest rates in order to maintain house prices at their current levels in order to stave off the threat on negative equity and the problems that would bring. Interst rates have been used as recently as November in order to slow down the maket but the Bank of England will not allow the price sto fall and if there was a chance of this hapeneing the interest rates would be dropped in order to bring buyers to the market.

Saint-Just
20th December 2004, 00:59
Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2004, 12:53 AM
What is the evidence for this summary?

How do young workers get out of their "bed-sits" and onto the "property ladder" when the supply of high-paying jobs is declining?

And what happens when the "property boom" collapses? It always does, you know.

:redstar2000:

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A site about communist ideas
I am not sure if property prices will decline to such an extent that the working-class will feel as if they own very little, and become dispossessed.

The property boom may collapse and property prices may decline, however it will only raise the consciousness of masses of people if property prices decline massively.