A Clockwork Orange

[Hate Is Art]

what did people think of the film? I was utterly disgusted in some parts but I somehow had to carry on watching. It's a fantastic film but shocking. Especially the rape scences.

[Comité De Salut Public]

We already have a thread on that movie about 10 threads below this one you just posted

http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=30538

[vivalache22]

I read the book, it was one of the best books I have ever read. If you saw or want to see the movie, I think you should read the book first.

[Fidelbrand]

had stomach cramps when i saw those rapping scenes, it's simply too far~~

I watched it in my philosophy class and the girls were really put off..... nonetheless, the movie is well-made and very philosophical.

[celtopunk]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2004, 11:34 AM
had stomach cramps when i saw those rapping scenes, it's simply too far~~

I watched it in my philosophy class and the girls were really put off..... nonetheless, the movie is well-made and very philosophical.
The raping scenes are supposed to make you feel sick, hopefully the rest of the males in the class felt the same way. I don't think it was as brutal as the rape scene in Straw Dogs though.

[vivalache22]

What about the rape in Diliverance...

[celtopunk]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2004, 03:11 PM
What about the rape in Diliverance...
While I did find that disturbing it was not on the same level as the scene in Straw Dogs.

[Hate Is Art]

Straw Dogs was horrible.

The author of A Clockwork Orange was so annoyed with Stanley Kubricks film he put on a stage show that featured a Kubrick look-a-like getting the shit beaten out of him for 15 minutes.

I love mindless trivia.

[Fidelbrand]

what about the rape in Romper Stomper?

[celtopunk]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2004, 03:27 AM
what about the rape in Romper Stomper?
I haven't seen Romper Stomper and I must say that I don't seek out movies for their rape scenes. I just found the scene in Straw Dogs so awful that I'd never watch the movie again.

[Fidelbrand]

Originally posted by celtopunk+Dec 25 2004, 01:20 AM--> (celtopunk @ Dec 25 2004, 01:20 AM)
[email protected] 24 2004, 03:27 AM
what about the rape in Romper Stomper?
I haven't seen Romper Stomper and I must say that I don't seek out movies for their rape scenes. I just found the scene in Straw Dogs so awful that I'd never watch the movie again. [/b]
dido.
Romper Stomper might make you puke then....

[Hate Is Art]

I seek out films for the rape scenes :D :D

What romper stomper bout, I recognise the name, does it have Crowe in it?

[CommoditiesAretheOpiumofPeople]

Back onto the thread subject:

I liked a clockwork Orange, I thought the scene after the ludovico treatment when Alex is on stage with a topless girl and he starts to be sick was really powerful. I love the fact that your sympathy for him is non-existent at the beginning but how you totally relate to the whole repression and state control scenes all through the rest of the film.

[Ĉħé_Ĝűĕ]

Book was good! LMAO!! the film was lame as!!!!!!!!! didnt make me fl sick at all :s thought i was gunna fall asleep!

[Hate Is Art]

well aren't you hardXcore :rolleyes:

[Ĉħé_Ĝűĕ]

ooooooohhhh yeahhhhhh!!!!!!!!! nope, just the truth! my opinion!! want me to lie next time then??? "oohh yeah i totally agree with u all, made me fl so sick" better ?

[Ĉħé_Ĝűĕ]

sorry bout that ^ ignore it, i didnt mean to act like an ass, bad day 2day xxx

[encephalon]

The book and the movie have strikingly different conclusions, nearly opposite.

[guerillablack]

Ive seen this movie when i was younger and have no clue what it was/is about.

[apathy maybe]

This is one of only two films based on books that i've acutally liked (where I have read the book and have known that the film was based on a book).

While it is different it is still damn good.

[guerillablack]

Can someone explain to me what was it about?

[RevolverNo9]

It's a good film, mainly because of Malcom whatsisname. But it looks very dated, all the scenery (well although the women raising the tables is still inspired.)

But as has been said it misses the point of Burgess' book to some extent. He misses out the last chapter where Alex feels no desire to be violent, sees his old friend with a woman, and wants to take a wife, considering the cycle that will begin all over again with his children. Kubrik thought it was 'preachifying', which is SO facile. It reminds me very much if Kierkegaard's philosophy and the tree stages of man, that each person can move on to another plain:
Aesthetic:
Ethical:
Religious.

Alex is the aesthete yet he moves on to a clearly ethical mode of life. Will he become 'religious' (don't necessarily take that literally.)

Guerilla Black:

Anthony Burgess wrote a short book written from the perspective of Alex, a callous and ruthless, aesthetic thug in a rather dystopian future (with an absolute passion for Beethoven). The wonderfully creative and brilliant inovation is that the book is written in 'droog speak', a youth-wide vernacular which fuses English and Russian and the like. The reader of course doesn't always know what a word means the first time it occurs, but gets it through context and it develops its own personal conotation. In the same way that when a French man says 'l'amore' he is not thinking of what an English person perceives when he says love, you are faced with 'moloko', 'devotchkas', 'veks' and all. It's a brilliant linguistic game really.

Alex and his 'droogs' go to Moloko bars where people dring milk spiked with halluconogenic drugs, before rampaging on picaresque swathes of rape, robbery, thuggery and eventually murder. Alex is betrayed by his friends and is imprisoned. He is subject to a brain-controlling exercise where he is made to watch - eye-lids stapled open - the most horrific images of violence and war while been made to feel unbearably sick. He can no longer commit any of these things without feeling such a powerful pain. However he is released back into the real world but finds that without free-will he cannot be happy.

Yeah when Burgess wrote the stage version, someone comes on chanting 'I'
m Singing in the Rain' (which Alex does in the film, one of things that infuriated Burgess) and gets beaten.

[guerillablack]

I'll guess i'll give it a read.

[Commie Rat]

Who has seen Stanly Krubrick's Full Metal Jacket , quite a good anti-war movie not comparable to the likes of Catch 22 but still good