AIDS

[Paradox]

I don't know if anyone has brought this up before, but I was wondering what you guys think about the claims that AIDS is a man-made disease. I remember reading somewhere that the u.$. created AIDS. If I remember correctly, it said that the Department of Defense wanted to make a disease to combat the rapidly growing population of the Third World. This was back in 1969. And the result of this proposal was supposedly the AIDS virus. What are your opinions on this? Is there any detailed information to back up this claim? I know they've done some pretty horrible and scary things, such as using smallpox on the Native peoples, and MKULTRA is talked about in another thread in this forum, but the claim about AIDS is a little hard to digest. Anyone know more information about this?

[Wiesty]

this belongs in theory, or science and envioment

[RagsToRevolution]

Science and Enviroment.

Conspiracy? Bah, everyone knows AIDS comes from baboons...

*recedes back to his world of ignorance*

Honestly, while I find myself more suceptible to the idea that the CIA was behidn the crack epidemic within the U$ ghettos, I'm not sure I am to believe AIDS was a man-made virus. Nature has a tendency to make things to bring back the population a little bit, AIDS may be the next Black Death, or bubonic plague. Not that I don't think its a horrible thing, I'm not so sure if the U$ was responsible for such a thing.

[Vinny Rafarino]

We've had one of these...in this very forum I might add....


There are a couple sidetracks by some "unique" characters but I think it did the trick.

http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=27041

[RedAnarchist]

i doubt AIDs was invented by humans. Did they have that kind of technology in the early 1980's?

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

The AIDS virus has been analysed and found to be of natural origin.

We do not even have the capability today of creating a whole new virus. We can only alter existing virii, albeit crudely.

[ComradeChris]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 14 2004, 11:01 PM
We've had one of these...in this very forum I might add....


There are a couple sidetracks by some "unique" characters but I think it did the trick.

http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=27041
Well we're not all clones are we. Therefore I would be very surprised if every person wasn't "unique" in some way :rolleyes: . Those were some of my earlier posts. My argumentative skills have only improved since then. I look back at some of the stupid errors I made and cringe.

And the only thing I recall saying wrong (which I apologized for) was calling RNA, DNA. Which didn't seem to matter to anyone but you; it's the difference of single-stranded and double-stranded strands of Nucleic Acid, and a Uracil base pair in RNA that's not contained in DNA sequencing. And for some reason when I put express something in non-scientific wording (which is easier for most people to understand; you're the only person who seemed to have a problem with it) that's considered wrong to YOU.

[Soul Rebel]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2004, 11:41 AM
i doubt AIDs was invented by humans. Did they have that kind of technology in the early 1980's?
AIDS appeared before the 1980's- actually about twenty years before the 80's. Only in the 80's did it become of great concern. But the first case was actually found in 1959 in a Conglese woman. At the time doctors could not explain her death, but now, looking back she showed symptoms of having AIDS.

As for it being man-made. Thats just silly. Sure, i would never doubt that the US government was capable of doing things like that, however with this i am a 100% sure that it is a natural occurring phenomenon. The virus has been found in monkeys- they have a different form (just as humans have different forms; type one or type two), but is the same virus and cause the same effects (deterioration of the immune system). As many of the populations living in certain parts of the many countries in Africa did and often still do depend on the meat of the monkey for food, this is the likely source of how humans became infected. If they ate the meat of an infected monkey they would become infected as well and then spread it on to other humans.

[Hate Is Art]

"we need and we are taught to need,
another invented disease
we need and we will always need
another invented disease"

I think it is highly dubios that the AIDS virus is man made, no one could do that.

[Cthenthar: Fixed coding]

[Saint-Just]

I think HIV is supposed to have come from a particular animal in South America. The disease became exposed to humans on a large scale, no humans, or at least very few had come in contact with it before.

I can't see a strong reason why the U.S. would want to combat population growth in the undeveloped world. I'm not sure that the CIA introduced or encouraged various drugs to enter the ghetto areas of American cities since the commonly proposed reason seems unlikely; that it would prevent radicalisation in the ghettos. However, the American government certainly does little to prevent these problems in the ghettos and the very problem of the ghettos itself.

[Rockfan]

And surely if it was man made they would have a cure for it and don't say its lock awa somewhere because if it was the the U$ wouldn't spead millions trying to find it.

[Saint-Just]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2004, 04:26 AM
And surely if it was man made they would have a cure for it and don't say its lock awa somewhere because if it was the the U$ wouldn't spead millions trying to find it.
Yes, but they may well spend millions to cover up their program to reduce the population of third world countries. In addition. it is corporations who spend money trying to develop AIDS medicines and the money they make from selling these drugs, they hope, will exceed the cost of developing and producing them.

Furthermore, simply because a virus is man-made does not necessitate that makers could produce a cure.

[monkeydust]

It's just more conspiracy balls, really.

The fact is that:

A)No-one on earth, certainly not a large team of intelligent scientists, would be willing to create a virus that they know could and would kill millions.

B)This risk of such a scheme "getting out", however small, would be enough to prevent any sane government from deciding to do such a thing.

[ComradeChris]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2004, 03:19 PM
A)No-one on earth, certainly not a large team of intelligent scientists, would be willing to create a virus that they know could and would kill millions.
I'm not sure if they actually use viruses in biological warfare; but I'm sure somewhere, sometime biological weapons specialists might try to create a virus (and it really only has no other purpose than death). I mean they didn't create it, but when the Pilgrims gave Small Pox infested blankets to the Native Americans, their intent was to kill as many as possible.

[Take the Power back]

I doubt anybody created it, except for nature. The monkey theory makes sense, if you lived in the wild, and killed animals for food, survival, etc. you'd probably get its blood all over you. if it had HIV or AIDS, and you had an open cut, then you'd probably get it. I doubt the government would purposely create AIDS in 3rd world countries, when we depend on them for exploitation so much. Where else will we get cheap labor if we kill all the workers? I also doubt they "gave" crack to the ghettoes, with all the drug experimenting during the 70s and 80s, it was just a cheap drug poor people could/can afford.

[Yazman]

EVERYONE HAS AIDS
Everyone has AIDS, AIDS, AIDS AIDS
AIDS, AIDS, AIDS, AIDS, AIDS!
Everyone has AIDS!

And so this is the end of our story
and everyone is dead from AIDS.
It took from me my best friend, my only
true pal, my only bright star.
Well, I'm gonna march on Washington,
lead the fight and charge the brigades.
There's a hero inside of all of us.
I'll make them see everyone has AIDS.

My father..AIDS! My sister...AIDS!
My uncle and my cousin and her best friend AIDS.
Gays, straights, whites and spades,
everyone has AIDS.
My grandma and my old dog Blue.
The Pope has got it and so do you.
Come on everybody we've got quiltin' to do.
Gonna break down these barricades everyone has AIDS,
AIDS, AIDS, AIDS...

[Rockfan]

Yazman you watch to much team america hahaha!!!!