will it ever be as big?

[Des]

in the 60's/70's we had

CUBA
SOVIETS
CHINA
NORTH KOREA

all claiming socialisming..

nowadays.. soviets are gone.. china have moved away from their socialist model.. cuba struggling..etc etc

will socialism ever come back?

any insights would be well recieved :)

[RagsToRevolution]

If we struggle, if we rebuild, if we educate, we shall succeed.

[Hiero]

No socialism will never come back.

[Zingu]

In the and before-1800s we also had:

Paris Commune
Conspiracy of Equals
German workers' revolts

1900s
Spanish Revolution (1936ish)
French General Strike (1968)
Warsaw Pact- Poland, Hungary, East Germany, Czechoslovakia, Romania, Bulgaria
Non-Warsaw Pact- Yugoslavia, Albania,
Vietnam
Laos
Cambodia
Spartacist Revolt (1918)


Victories for the cause-
Two day weekend
Social Security
8 hour day
Public Education


Feel free to add if I missed something ;)

Right now Socialism is sort of reorganizing and getting out of a crisis, we're not finished yet!

[Knowledge 6 6 6]

The beginning of the 1900s brought a new wave of socialist movements, that started with the Bolshevik Revolution. It made countries affected by British (and US to some extent) hegemony have hope that they can become self-sufficient.

Will socialism ever come back, where we'll see another wave? It's strongly likely...if you notice, there are more resistence to US hegemony, more books, more movies...more information to divulge.

I think its likely...but true socialism will never exist. There'll always be an asshole on top, and it'll turn dictatorial.

[Wiesty]

we still have socialism, maybe not 100 % socialism but we do
i live in a socialist province in canada, there still is alot of socialism

[BOZG]

Funny man Wiesty.

[Knowledge 6 6 6]

Weisty's actually somewhat correct. There are elements of socialism in Canada (where I also happen to live).

Free healthcare for all citizens is just one element of socialism found in Canada.

[bunk]

In some ways there are a lot of socialist reforms in some countries.

[BOZG]

They hardly constitute socialism or socialist policies.

[Zingu]

Depends if you mean Revolutionary Socialism or Reformist Socialism, Reformist Socialism lingers around in Europe and Canada, but such parties have degenerated into reactionary chain dogs for the ruling classes long ago, they are not going to make any progress towards Socialism,
to change it means revolution, not petty elections and parliamentry desicions that will get us no-where, Socialism is the worker's ideology, not the ideology of politicians!

[RagsToRevolution]

Reformist Socialism may seem to have benevolent principles, however, it is an illusion that is used by the capitalists to make the worker think he is accomplishing something, but when in reality, the capitalist has full control over these "benefits" that reformist policies have given the labour movement.

[BOZG]

Reformist socialism, whether acheivable or not, does not differ on the principles and policies but on the tactics.

Edit: Ultimately, it plays into capitalism but that's not what's been debated.

[vivalache22]

All of the four countries that claim to be socialistis or communistic today are soooooooo far away from what Lenin and Marx intended. They are infact against all that they stood for, as well as what Che stood for. They exploit their people just like the South American countries Che was fighting against and just like the government Lenin overthrew. Che, Lenin, Marx, and all the other great socialists were great men with great ideas, but greedy corrupt men exploited what these great visionaries tried so hard to create.

[RagsToRevolution]

Excuse me Viva, but how is Cuba exploiting its own people? I need some evidence on this, I am a proud supporter of the state of Cuba. I understand it is not enitrely socialist or a perfect state, but I know that it is the best example we can work upon to create successful socialism.

Also, there are five nations that consider themselves socialist.

* Cuba
* DPRK
* Vietnam
* Laos
* China

[vivalache22]

I agree with yopur thoughts on Cuba. However, most Asian countries that claim to be Socialist are far away from what socialism really is. It is hard to control a large landmass with a large popilation and have socialism suceed with out curruption. And nomatter what government there is, there will always be curruption.

The best example is China. They have the worst living conditions in the world for their people because of over population.

[RagsToRevolution]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2004, 03:11 PM
I agree with yopur thoughts on Cuba. However, most Asian countries that claim to be Socialist are far away from what socialism really is. It is hard to control a large landmass with a large popilation and have socialism suceed with out curruption. And nomatter what government there is, there will always be curruption.

The best example is China. They have the worst living conditions in the world for their people because of over population.
China is a imperialistic, revisionist, state capitalist machine that will only work against socialism. We agree on that.

Vietnam and Laos are much like Cuba from what I have seen, though they get little mention, except geopolitical problems cause much suffering in these areas.

As for the DPRK (N. Korea), the Juche idea of socialism and the "personality cult" of Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il is debatable. Personally, I see it as an anti-imperialist nation like all the rest of the "socialist" nations (excluding China, which has become, or becoming, imperialist) so it is certainly better than most of the reactionary world.