Third Positionism - fascism in disguise

[Edelweiss]

"Third Positionism" (sic!) seems to be a trend within the last years in the US, from what I read I know that it's a rather arbitrary mixture of Maoism, folkish nationalism, anti-americanism, anti-capitalism, vulgar anti-imprialism, anti-multi-culturalism, and anti-semitism, the "master mind" behind it is Bill White. But depsite of what their propaganists are preeching, it is in fact just fascism in disguise. There is no, or very little difference at all, to how some of todays (but also within the NSDAP there have been simular tendencies) "leftist" Nazi groups are acting, just like the German KDS for example ("Kampfbund deutscher Sozialisten", the "fighting federation of German socialists"), an open neo-Nazi group which is just using that "Third Positionist" rhetoric, they are praising Saddam (and even actually had good relationships with the Iraqi embassy!), Kim Jong Il and other "anti-imperialist heros" like Chavez, but also western racist, nationalist parties/groups like the french FN and the German NPD, while claiming to be strongly anti-capitalist, and of course the "international Jewery" is controling capitalism according to them. So there is very little differnece to the views of "third posiotionists", who also like to claim all kind of "anti-imperialist leaders" as one of them (it must have been quiet desillusionating when Chavez lately invoked himself to Trotzky, one of their favorite enemies, in one of his speeches, :lol: ). In the end "third positionism", reduces to national self-determination by all means, no matter how and by whom and at what costs, as long as it goes againt the US, which is of course a totally anti-Marxist, simplistic and reactionary point of view, and nothing any leftist should ever ally with. It always has been a strategy of the facist scum to give themself some leftist, pesudo-intelectual coat to cheat the working class to buy into their criminal ideology. Deubunk them where you can!
Fight fascism, fight "third Positionism", by all means on all levels!

Further reading: "Third Positionist" Fascism In The US: A Case Study Of Bill White (http://www.infoshop.org/news6/billwhite.php) - article from infoshop.org

[Edelweiss]

I have edited and expanded my post on "third positionism" to an article for the e-zine: http://www.che-lives.com/home/modules.php?...=article&sid=50 (http://www.che-lives.com/home/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=50)

[RagsToRevolution]

Curious, are you saying Peron, Chavez, and Kim Jong Il, and thus, Kim Sung Il are fascists? Just need to know that before I reply.

[RedAnarchist]

Any North Korean leader is at the least reactionary anyway.

Isnt Peronism a form of populist fascism?

[Edelweiss]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2004, 02:57 PM
Curious, are you saying Peron, Chavez, and Kim Jong Il, and thus, Kim Sung Il are fascists? Just need to know that before I reply.
Hell no, and I don't think you can interpret my essay that way! For Peron (I haven't mentioned him at all though, have I?) it would be arguable, he surely was no leftist, and he enorsed European fascism, but especially Chavez isn't remotely a facist of some sort. Please re-read my essay, and I think you'll understand what my mean. "3rd way" fascists do support Chavez, Kim Jong Il, etc, but that doesn't actually make them fascists aswell. And although I do strongly reject the the totalitrian North-Korean regime, I wouldn't go so far to call it fascist. That's up bougeois liberals.

I think statements like


The conclusion only can be an anti-national solidarity and globalized resistance among communists, anarchists and other progressives of all imperialist nations, and a critical but strong international solidarity with and amongst proggressive national movements in oppressed 3rd world nations suffering from imperialism of the US , the EU states, Australia etc., and especially with progressive 3rd world governments like Cuba or Venezuela.

speak for itself.

[bolshevik butcher]

Pron is, Kim Jong Il is a crazy dictator. Chavez certainly isn't.

[Andrei Kuznetsov]

Third Positionism is a very strange form of Fascism indeed. One thing I've seen, however, is that a lot of them seem to take inspiration from Colonel Muammar al-Qaddafi of Libya. Anyone else notice this on some Third Positionist websites?

[Guest1]

Yes, "Islamic Socialism". They do take alot from Qaddafi.

It's quite disturbing. There's a need to discredit them on the left, because they truly are our most dangerous enemy right now. They wrap themselves in pseudo-revolutionary rhetoric, but proceed to divide the working class with reactionary nationalism and attack even the ideas of class war. They oppose the use of class as the basis of identity, and propose national identity instead. It's quite a backwards world-view.

[commiecrusader]

They seem in favour of going back to some sort of tribal society lol. Quite scary. How much support do they garner? Are they prominent all over the world or mainly in the middle east and America.

[Don't Change Your Name]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2004, 02:04 PM
Isnt Peronism a form of populist fascism?
Sort of.

[RevolverNo9]

When reactionary politics mask themselves as revolutionary it is always sickening because real working class people believe that the reactionary is the revoltuinoary, like the so called socialist republicans in Ireland. Shoving up a picture of Che and quoting Marx occasionally does not make blowing up and dividing other members of the working class any less right wing. Though of course it is a very violent sympton of capitalist repression - these people are so uneducated. The vast majority of 'martyrs' from the Irish Socialist Republic Movement were killed by others on the Nationalist movement rather than British soldiers and loyalist thugs.